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Bigeasy
Caldari Rage of Inferno Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:47:00 -
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2 light drones...
Really...you nerf ECM that hard and that's all we get in return is 2 light drones...Really?
Congratulations CCP, you have effectively whipped all ECM's usefullness in one fell stroke. Considering that all ECM ships have tanks comparable to that of tissue paper, and range was our one and only real defense, I applaud you killing off of ECM, just like you did with sensor damps.
Once again you have listened to the masses and acted before thinking things all the way through.
But hey, the falcon has 2 light drones now, and an exra turret slot. Right on, now I can fire a single volly and jam 4 out of the 5 enemy gang, before number 5 one shots me.
Epic fail ccp.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:48:00 -
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qq more falcon noob
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Lazarann
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:49:00 -
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Aww you can't jam five people at once? That must be awful for you
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Kyle Langdon
Gallente Killson Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lazarann Aww you can't jam five people at once at 200km? That must be awful for you
Fixed for ya
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:54:00 -
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You can't run a falcon alt out of sentry range and still permajam several BS at once...that's the only thing that changed. Hell, you can still do it if you're willing to use the Rook (unless I'm reading something wrong).
Your "I win" button in lowsec is no longer as such. Deal with it.
If anything, the increased strength will make them more useful, if slightly less survivable because of the range reduction.
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Lazarann
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Langdon
Originally by: Lazarann Aww you can't jam five people at once at 200km? That must be awful for you
Fixed for ya
Right, sorry, I forgot that part too. Now it's even more awful.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:05:00 -
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Boohoo cry some more
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Scyala
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:11:00 -
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Wait a second. Are you telling me your complaining about only being able to solo 4 targets at once in a cruiser?
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Scyala Wait a second. Are you telling me your complaining about only being able to solo 4 targets at once in a cruiser?
I'm impressed. I didnt think anyone could suck so much to let a falcon solo 4 of them. But i guess you set new standards for sucking. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bigeasy 2 light drones...
Really...you nerf ECM that hard and that's all we get in return is 2 light drones...Really?
Congratulations CCP, you have effectively whipped all ECM's usefullness in one fell stroke. Considering that all ECM ships have tanks comparable to that of tissue paper, and range was our one and only real defense, I applaud you killing off of ECM, just like you did with sensor damps.
Once again you have listened to the masses and acted before thinking things all the way through.
But hey, the falcon has 2 light drones now, and an exra turret slot. Right on, now I can fire a single volly and jam 4 out of the 5 enemy gang, before number 5 one shots me.
Epic fail ccp.
You must be using a different Falcon than the one I'm using. Sure, my range was reduced a little, but now I'm fitting a 6th ECM instead of a sensor booster and I just perm jammed 3x BS from 120km with no gang boosters. I guess you just suck.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Northern Fall
Minmatar Guild Academy Guild Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:14:00 -
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QQ
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Helena Zeugir
Gallente FW Scuad Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:16:00 -
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OP's character name suggests he likes biased conditions.
Welcome to balance.
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FOl2TY8
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
You must be using a different Falcon than the one I'm using. Sure, my range was reduced a little, but now I'm fitting a 6th ECM instead of a sensor booster and I just perm jammed 3x BS from 120km with no gang boosters. I guess you just suck.
All that really needs to be said I guess... ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimir Norkoff on 16/04/2009 21:28:16
Originally by: Bellum Eternus You must be using a different Falcon than the one I'm using. Sure, my range was reduced a little, but now I'm fitting a 6th ECM instead of a sensor booster and I just perm jammed 3x BS from 120km with no gang boosters.
Hurray for the Falcon nerf!... Oh wait, nothing has changed. In the words of OP... Quote: Epic fail ccp.
Taxman VII: Kingdom of Vlad
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Scyala
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Edited by: Vladimir Norkoff on 16/04/2009 21:28:16
Originally by: Bellum Eternus You must be using a different Falcon than the one I'm using. Sure, my range was reduced a little, but now I'm fitting a 6th ECM instead of a sensor booster and I just perm jammed 3x BS from 120km with no gang boosters.
Hurray for the Falcon nerf!... Oh wait, nothing has changed.
That's not true. The falcon now shoots you while he perma jams you.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Hurray for the Falcon nerf!... Oh wait, nothing has changed. In the words of OP... Quote: Epic fail ccp.
Try flying it in a large gang or fleet. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1. |
Vladimir Griftin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bigeasy I applaud you killing off of ECM, just like you did with sensor damps.
The diplomatic way of putting it would be to say its been brought in line with sensor damps. ;)
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:43:00 -
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All those mids for shield extenders and 150% bonus to effectiveness of ECM... just stfu and welcome to the situation all the recons are in.
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Spurty
Caldari Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire qq more falcon noob
I think the clue Deva is giving the OP is that you can't hide outside of the fight anymore girly boy.
Whack a tank on (1600mm plate or some LSEs) and come get dirty like the rest of us!
ECM still works, only the range has been 'balanced'.
Originally by: Butter Dog
I think you'll find that 10 seconds > 1 month
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:05:00 -
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People will start going out with more falcons. That didn't fix anything. -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Petra Katell
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Concorduck People will start going out with more falcons. That didn't fix anything.
People brought as many Falcons as they could field already. Won't change anything.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Petra Katell
Originally by: Concorduck People will start going out with more falcons. That didn't fix anything.
People brought as many Falcons as they could field already. Won't change anything.
You can't see all of them when they're cloaked. -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Spurty
Caldari Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Concorduck
You can't see all of them when they're cloaked.
They usually present themselves on killboards after a DD lol
Originally by: Butter Dog
I think you'll find that 10 seconds > 1 month
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: Concorduck
You can't see all of them when they're cloaked.
They usually present themselves on killboards after a DD lol
Those who didn't warp away.
For each falcon you see, there are 3 Still hiding under the cloak. -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:39:00 -
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Falcon - the ship you use to AFK in a war zone _ The problem with EVE || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
LoveKebab
Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.17 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bigeasy (qq'ing) Epic fail ccp.
can i have ur stuff now ?
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.17 01:49:00 -
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Posts like this just anger me, NOBODY wants to hear your petty whining on a public discussion board used by thousands of players.
And really, jamming multiple targets at 200km away with cruiser agility allowing you to warp in an instant wasn't overpowered? Give me a break, we all knew it was coming.
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LTD THOR
Liga Freier Terraner Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.04.17 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: LTD THOR on 17/04/2009 01:58:29
Originally by: mechtech
And really, jamming multiple targets at 200km away with cruiser agility allowing you to warp in an instant wasn't overpowered? Give me a break, we all knew it was coming.
it¦s more like that we all were full of hope since ages that such changes may come.. \o/ http://ltd-thor.mybrute.com
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SateenAntilles
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.17 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: SateenAntilles on 17/04/2009 03:08:54 People that say the new range is 120km'ish are wrong or just plain lying. T2 ECM modules went from 54km optimal to 32km optimal. That combined with the complete loss of the optimal bonus on the ship means my optimal went from 220km to 66km + 49km falloff With 2 SDA II's, 2 optimal rigs & Long Distance Jamming 5. Because they dropped the strength bonus on the SDA II's from 20% to 10% my strength didn't change was 12 before with racials, it is 12 now.
If this ship is supposed to operate in the danger zone then we need a tank. So you say well fit some shield extenders in those mids and use that extra turret slot. I say great, how about giving me a little more grid. The didn't bump the grid. The grid on the Falcon (700) is the worse of all the force recons (Pilgrim 950, Rapier 750, Arazu 750).
The Falcon has the worst starting by far. The Falcon is also the only ship with a 0% hole in the resists. Neither of the armor tankers have 0% holes and the rapier has a very nice spread of shield resistances against all damage types.
All the other force recons have ships have at least 40m3 for drone space. The pilgrim has 150m3. What is wrong with giving caldari 25m3?
Really if CCP wanted to reduce the number of people flying falcons their best bet would have been to give caldari another good ship to fly. People were flying falcons because it was one of the two caldari ships that didn't suck after the missile nerf. [url=http://kb.pure-alliance.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=57148] [/url] |
Kobushi
OCForums
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Posted - 2009.04.17 04:03:00 -
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sssooooooo....
the typical response to the pre-patch falcon while was adapt or die, now that the table was turned on you and you get a taste or darwinism you are not so almighty with the adapt motto...
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Scyala
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Posted - 2009.04.17 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: SateenAntilles
People that say the new range is 120km'ish are wrong or just plain lying. T2 ECM modules went from 54km optimal to 32km optimal. That combined with the complete loss of the optimal bonus on the ship means my optimal went from 220km to 66km + 49km falloff
Them big fat liers, saying it's 120km when clearly it's only 115km
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Space Pinata
Amarr Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.17 05:16:00 -
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Oh god, we have to decide between more tank or more EWar...
It's almost like we're no longer given a free advantage over all the other recons...
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Phantom Slave
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.17 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: SateenAntilles Edited by: SateenAntilles on 17/04/2009 03:08:54 People that say the new range is 120km'ish are wrong or just plain lying. T2 ECM modules went from 54km optimal to 32km optimal. That combined with the complete loss of the optimal bonus on the ship means my optimal went from 220km to 66km + 49km falloff With 2 SDA II's, 2 optimal rigs & Long Distance Jamming 5. Because they dropped the strength bonus on the SDA II's from 20% to 10% my strength didn't change was 12 before with racials, it is 12 now.
If this ship is supposed to operate in the danger zone then we need a tank. So you say well fit some shield extenders in those mids and use that extra turret slot. I say great, how about giving me a little more grid. The didn't bump the grid. The grid on the Falcon (700) is the worse of all the force recons (Pilgrim 950, Rapier 750, Arazu 750).
The Falcon has the worst starting by far. The Falcon is also the only ship with a 0% hole in the resists. Neither of the armor tankers have 0% holes and the rapier has a very nice spread of shield resistances against all damage types.
All the other force recons have ships have at least 40m3 for drone space. The pilgrim has 150m3. What is wrong with giving caldari 25m3?
Really if CCP wanted to reduce the number of people flying falcons their best bet would have been to give caldari another good ship to fly. People were flying falcons because it was one of the two caldari ships that didn't suck after the missile nerf.
I see. So the fact that 1 on 1 a falcon can completely 100% mitigate all incoming damage means that it needs more tank? Pilgrims should totally be able to stop missile damage too, but you don't see those pilots whining. They just pick their fights. You no longer get to sit out of range of everybody and be useful, now you get to be up close with the rest of the recons and get primaried just like they get to.
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Haramir Haleths
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Posted - 2009.04.17 07:19:00 -
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Heh ? Im Caldari. Wich is the second ship that do not suck. Please help me out
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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.04.17 07:38:00 -
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Cry me a river, you're broken fom ECM got a little less broken. Your tears are sweet.
It does suck that it takes me 2 minutes to load a system.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.17 08:07:00 -
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Adapt, Die. Etcetc.
Hell even if you adapt you'll still die. No solopwnmobiles for anyone!
Except maybe the Tengu in certain fits.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.17 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle Adapt, Die. Etcetc.
Hell even if you adapt you'll still die. No solopwnmobiles for anyone!
Except maybe the Tengu in certain fits.
Lol the new caldari recons are much more of a solopwnmobile than they ever were with this change. Its in fleet combat they are now useless. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.17 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Reven Cordelle Adapt, Die. Etcetc.
Hell even if you adapt you'll still die. No solopwnmobiles for anyone!
Except maybe the Tengu in certain fits.
Lol the new caldari recons are much more of a solopwnmobile than they ever were with this change. Its in fleet combat they are now useless.
Yeah, the new Rook looks great tbh. Cerb-class DPS (with pretty good range), including a drone bay to kill pesky tacklers, 8 midslots, so much targetting range they're virtually undampable, so much sensor strength they're a pain to jam, obviously not bothered about tracking disruptors, capless weapons, good scan res. It's the ship Caldari PvP pilots have been dreaming of.
Oh yeah and it can do ECM pretty well too.
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NeoTheo
Dark Materials Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.04.17 09:48:00 -
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people complaining are ******ed, HAVE YOU ANY IDEA how good a ship this is now? ;)
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.17 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: NeoTheo people complaining are ******ed, HAVE YOU ANY IDEA how good a ship this is now? ;)
OH GOD NO PLEASE DONT MAKE ME COPE WITH CHANGE IT BURNS IT BURNSSSSSS USSSSS!
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Logma Ran
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Posted - 2009.04.17 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bigeasy
... jam 4 out of the 5 enemy gang, before number 5 one shots me.
Epic fail ccp.
AHAHAHA gotcha! Good... go back to your cave now :)
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Derus Grobb
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.04.17 11:40:00 -
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Those poor, poor falcon pilots :) ---
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Cyonidicus
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Posted - 2009.04.17 11:49:00 -
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Everybody smell that?
OP got served
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Cyonidicus
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Posted - 2009.04.17 11:50:00 -
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Everybody smell that?
OP got served
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Georgina Eldridge
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Posted - 2009.04.17 12:23:00 -
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YOUR BITTER TEARS AROUSE AND EXCITE ME IN WAYS I CANNOT BEGIN TO COMPREHEND.
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Speaker Dead
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Posted - 2009.04.17 20:51:00 -
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Was it overpowered? Yes? Was it overnerfed? Yes. Anything would have made more sense than 2 light drones. A boost to the shields maybe? Right now it can be alphed the second you miss a jam. Are the 2 light drones supposed to stop the swarm of ogre 2's that will insta-pop you when you attempt to jam a rr domi? At least other recons can use a couple slots for tank. Falcons have no choice but to fit a minimum of 4 racials to be effective at all. Adapt? Certainly, not like players have slot of choice. But like everyone else on the forums I think we have just as much right to complain as all the whiners that didn't already adapt to the falcons. There were already plenty of effective ways to deal with falcons, but too many people simply couldn't adjust. |
Dez Affinity
Evocati.
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Posted - 2009.04.17 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Phantom Slave Edited by: Phantom Slave on 17/04/2009 06:29:20
I see. So the fact that 1 on 1 a falcon can completely 100% mitigate all incoming damage means that it needs more tank? Pilgrims should totally be able to stop missile damage too, but you don't see those pilots whining. They just pick their fights. You no longer get to sit out of range of everybody and be useful, now you get to be up close with the rest of the recons and get primaried just like they get to.
*EDIT*
With all lvl 5 skills that has 23k EHP, 4k more than a standard 800mm plated Pilgrim setup. 419/875 PG used, 441/625 CPU used.
[Falcon, tank] Signal Distortion Amplifier II Signal Distortion Amplifier II Signal Distortion Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Multispecs, you are so cute. *Tickle* *Tickle* _______________
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Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.17 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Yeah, the new Rook looks great tbh. Cerb-class DPS (with pretty good range), including a drone bay to kill pesky tacklers, 8 midslots, so much targetting range they're virtually undampable, so much sensor strength they're a pain to jam, obviously not bothered about tracking disruptors, capless weapons, good scan res. It's the ship Caldari PvP pilots have been dreaming of.
Oh yeah and it can do ECM pretty well too.
WTB Rook with 8 Mid-slots
I don't fly Falcons I build them but look everybody knew that the Falcon was overpowered. The problem is CCP took a sledghammer to the Falcon rather than a chisle. The solution EVERYONE agreed was to nerf the range 1/3, increase the effectivness of ECCM, fix FOF missles so they don't target asteroids as a counter and give the SDA a 20% script for either strength and or range.
Also the Falcon had a 25M3 drone bay on SiSi 2 days before the patch then they changed it to 10M3 for release
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Speaker Dead
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Posted - 2009.04.18 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Phantom Slave Edited by: Phantom Slave on 17/04/2009 06:29:20
Originally by: SateenAntilles Edited by: SateenAntilles on 17/04/2009 03:08:54 *SNIP*
I see. So the fact that 1 on 1 a falcon can completely 100% mitigate all incoming damage means that it needs more tank? Pilgrims should totally be able to stop missile damage too, but you don't see those pilots whining. They just pick their fights. You no longer get to sit out of range of everybody and be useful, now you get to be up close with the rest of the recons and get primaried just like they get to.
*EDIT*
With all lvl 5 skills that has 23k EHP, 4k more than a standard 800mm plated Pilgrim setup. 419/875 PG used, 441/625 CPU used.
[Falcon, tank] Signal Distortion Amplifier II Signal Distortion Amplifier II Signal Distortion Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Grats on the most fail Falcon fit ever, No Cloak, no sensor booster, Multi specs, you wont even make it to the battle....
If your going to argue a point, you might want to actually try the falcon, clearly you've never flown one.
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.18 17:17:00 -
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OP is obvious troll.
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ZenSun
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2009.04.18 17:21:00 -
[51]
You're tears taste strange....
Anyway, ECM was the most irritating anti-fun module invented in eve, Thankyou CCP :)
But really.. was ECM that fun?
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Tractormech
Caldari Fortune's Fools Sherwood Forest
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Posted - 2009.04.18 17:26:00 -
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I would say falcons got a boost. They were the only recon where solo work was completely unfeasable. This is no longer true.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.04.18 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Reven Cordelle Adapt, Die. Etcetc.
Hell even if you adapt you'll still die. No solopwnmobiles for anyone!
Except maybe the Tengu in certain fits.
Lol the new caldari recons are much more of a solopwnmobile than they ever were with this change. Its in fleet combat they are now useless.
Yeah, the new Rook looks great tbh. Cerb-class DPS (with pretty good range), including a drone bay to kill pesky tacklers, 8 midslots, so much targetting range they're virtually undampable, so much sensor strength they're a pain to jam, obviously not bothered about tracking disruptors, capless weapons, good scan res. It's the ship Caldari PvP pilots have been dreaming of.
Oh yeah and it can do ECM pretty well too.
TIME TO NERF IT INTO THE GROUND COMRADES.
Seriously, the new Rook just slightly uber.
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.18 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: sakana OP is obvious troll.
No, he is part of that long blue list when you check your Alliance standings
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Mazaron
Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.04.18 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Bigeasy and range was our one and only real defense
Yes, because that full mid rack of ECM doesn't count as defense, right guys? RIGHT?
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Feilamya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.18 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kobushi sssooooooo....
the typical response to the pre-patch falcon while was adapt or die, now that the table was turned on you and you get a taste or darwinism you are not so almighty with the adapt motto...
It's actually "adapt or cry".
You can't die because of internet spaceships. (not even BECAUSE OF FALCON)
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