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Bigeasy
Caldari Rage of Inferno Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:47:00 -
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2 light drones...
Really...you nerf ECM that hard and that's all we get in return is 2 light drones...Really?
Congratulations CCP, you have effectively whipped all ECM's usefullness in one fell stroke. Considering that all ECM ships have tanks comparable to that of tissue paper, and range was our one and only real defense, I applaud you killing off of ECM, just like you did with sensor damps.
Once again you have listened to the masses and acted before thinking things all the way through.
But hey, the falcon has 2 light drones now, and an exra turret slot. Right on, now I can fire a single volly and jam 4 out of the 5 enemy gang, before number 5 one shots me.
Epic fail ccp.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:48:00 -
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qq more falcon noob
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Lazarann
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:49:00 -
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Aww you can't jam five people at once? That must be awful for you
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Kyle Langdon
Gallente Killson Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lazarann Aww you can't jam five people at once at 200km? That must be awful for you
Fixed for ya
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:54:00 -
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You can't run a falcon alt out of sentry range and still permajam several BS at once...that's the only thing that changed. Hell, you can still do it if you're willing to use the Rook (unless I'm reading something wrong).
Your "I win" button in lowsec is no longer as such. Deal with it.
If anything, the increased strength will make them more useful, if slightly less survivable because of the range reduction.
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Lazarann
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Langdon
Originally by: Lazarann Aww you can't jam five people at once at 200km? That must be awful for you
Fixed for ya
Right, sorry, I forgot that part too. Now it's even more awful.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:05:00 -
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Boohoo cry some more
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Scyala
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:11:00 -
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Wait a second. Are you telling me your complaining about only being able to solo 4 targets at once in a cruiser?
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Scyala Wait a second. Are you telling me your complaining about only being able to solo 4 targets at once in a cruiser?
I'm impressed. I didnt think anyone could suck so much to let a falcon solo 4 of them. But i guess you set new standards for sucking. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bigeasy 2 light drones...
Really...you nerf ECM that hard and that's all we get in return is 2 light drones...Really?
Congratulations CCP, you have effectively whipped all ECM's usefullness in one fell stroke. Considering that all ECM ships have tanks comparable to that of tissue paper, and range was our one and only real defense, I applaud you killing off of ECM, just like you did with sensor damps.
Once again you have listened to the masses and acted before thinking things all the way through.
But hey, the falcon has 2 light drones now, and an exra turret slot. Right on, now I can fire a single volly and jam 4 out of the 5 enemy gang, before number 5 one shots me.
Epic fail ccp.
You must be using a different Falcon than the one I'm using. Sure, my range was reduced a little, but now I'm fitting a 6th ECM instead of a sensor booster and I just perm jammed 3x BS from 120km with no gang boosters. I guess you just suck.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Northern Fall
Minmatar Guild Academy Guild Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:14:00 -
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QQ
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Helena Zeugir
Gallente FW Scuad Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:16:00 -
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OP's character name suggests he likes biased conditions.
Welcome to balance.
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FOl2TY8
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
You must be using a different Falcon than the one I'm using. Sure, my range was reduced a little, but now I'm fitting a 6th ECM instead of a sensor booster and I just perm jammed 3x BS from 120km with no gang boosters. I guess you just suck.
All that really needs to be said I guess... ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimir Norkoff on 16/04/2009 21:28:16
Originally by: Bellum Eternus You must be using a different Falcon than the one I'm using. Sure, my range was reduced a little, but now I'm fitting a 6th ECM instead of a sensor booster and I just perm jammed 3x BS from 120km with no gang boosters.
Hurray for the Falcon nerf!... Oh wait, nothing has changed. In the words of OP... Quote: Epic fail ccp.
Taxman VII: Kingdom of Vlad
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Scyala
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Edited by: Vladimir Norkoff on 16/04/2009 21:28:16
Originally by: Bellum Eternus You must be using a different Falcon than the one I'm using. Sure, my range was reduced a little, but now I'm fitting a 6th ECM instead of a sensor booster and I just perm jammed 3x BS from 120km with no gang boosters.
Hurray for the Falcon nerf!... Oh wait, nothing has changed.
That's not true. The falcon now shoots you while he perma jams you.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Hurray for the Falcon nerf!... Oh wait, nothing has changed. In the words of OP... Quote: Epic fail ccp.
Try flying it in a large gang or fleet. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1. |
Vladimir Griftin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bigeasy I applaud you killing off of ECM, just like you did with sensor damps.
The diplomatic way of putting it would be to say its been brought in line with sensor damps. ;)
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:43:00 -
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All those mids for shield extenders and 150% bonus to effectiveness of ECM... just stfu and welcome to the situation all the recons are in.
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Spurty
Caldari Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire qq more falcon noob
I think the clue Deva is giving the OP is that you can't hide outside of the fight anymore girly boy.
Whack a tank on (1600mm plate or some LSEs) and come get dirty like the rest of us!
ECM still works, only the range has been 'balanced'.
Originally by: Butter Dog
I think you'll find that 10 seconds > 1 month
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:05:00 -
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People will start going out with more falcons. That didn't fix anything. -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Petra Katell
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Concorduck People will start going out with more falcons. That didn't fix anything.
People brought as many Falcons as they could field already. Won't change anything.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Petra Katell
Originally by: Concorduck People will start going out with more falcons. That didn't fix anything.
People brought as many Falcons as they could field already. Won't change anything.
You can't see all of them when they're cloaked. -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Spurty
Caldari Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Concorduck
You can't see all of them when they're cloaked.
They usually present themselves on killboards after a DD lol
Originally by: Butter Dog
I think you'll find that 10 seconds > 1 month
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: Concorduck
You can't see all of them when they're cloaked.
They usually present themselves on killboards after a DD lol
Those who didn't warp away.
For each falcon you see, there are 3 Still hiding under the cloak. -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:39:00 -
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Falcon - the ship you use to AFK in a war zone _ The problem with EVE || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
LoveKebab
Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.17 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bigeasy (qq'ing) Epic fail ccp.
can i have ur stuff now ?
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.17 01:49:00 -
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Posts like this just anger me, NOBODY wants to hear your petty whining on a public discussion board used by thousands of players.
And really, jamming multiple targets at 200km away with cruiser agility allowing you to warp in an instant wasn't overpowered? Give me a break, we all knew it was coming.
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LTD THOR
Liga Freier Terraner Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.04.17 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: LTD THOR on 17/04/2009 01:58:29
Originally by: mechtech
And really, jamming multiple targets at 200km away with cruiser agility allowing you to warp in an instant wasn't overpowered? Give me a break, we all knew it was coming.
it¦s more like that we all were full of hope since ages that such changes may come.. \o/ http://ltd-thor.mybrute.com
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SateenAntilles
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.17 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: SateenAntilles on 17/04/2009 03:08:54 People that say the new range is 120km'ish are wrong or just plain lying. T2 ECM modules went from 54km optimal to 32km optimal. That combined with the complete loss of the optimal bonus on the ship means my optimal went from 220km to 66km + 49km falloff With 2 SDA II's, 2 optimal rigs & Long Distance Jamming 5. Because they dropped the strength bonus on the SDA II's from 20% to 10% my strength didn't change was 12 before with racials, it is 12 now.
If this ship is supposed to operate in the danger zone then we need a tank. So you say well fit some shield extenders in those mids and use that extra turret slot. I say great, how about giving me a little more grid. The didn't bump the grid. The grid on the Falcon (700) is the worse of all the force recons (Pilgrim 950, Rapier 750, Arazu 750).
The Falcon has the worst starting by far. The Falcon is also the only ship with a 0% hole in the resists. Neither of the armor tankers have 0% holes and the rapier has a very nice spread of shield resistances against all damage types.
All the other force recons have ships have at least 40m3 for drone space. The pilgrim has 150m3. What is wrong with giving caldari 25m3?
Really if CCP wanted to reduce the number of people flying falcons their best bet would have been to give caldari another good ship to fly. People were flying falcons because it was one of the two caldari ships that didn't suck after the missile nerf. [url=http://kb.pure-alliance.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=57148] [/url] |
Kobushi
OCForums
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Posted - 2009.04.17 04:03:00 -
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sssooooooo....
the typical response to the pre-patch falcon while was adapt or die, now that the table was turned on you and you get a taste or darwinism you are not so almighty with the adapt motto...
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