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Carlisle Veritas
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:16:00 -
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Hi All.
I did a few searches for etiquette in the forums and could not find anything on this topic, so here goes.
I'm interested in people's opinion on miner etiquette. For example, if you arrive at belt and there's someone there, should you a) find another belt, or b) go about your normal mining business. People have been picked out in local, and on occasion I've been pm'd for "intruding" on another miner's belt. Personally I don't particularly care, but some people get annoyed if you don't move.
Example 2. You're mining in a belt with other miners and they start mining the roid that you're mining. My personal opinion: It's not yours until in your cargo hold (and even then... ). Some people get upset, others don't care.
These situations can sometimes make for amusing local smack talk, but other times are just annoying.
Similar things can go for wrecks of rats you kill while mining. Some people ask, others just go for it.
So, what are your thoughts? Would you leave a belt if someone who's already there asked you to? Do you move on anyway if you find someone already in a belt? Would you pick someone out for mining "your" ore? Does etiquette have a place in Eve at all?
Cheers.
Carl.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:29:00 -
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The one who yields first gets the ore.
Let them cry. If their whines get on your nerves, give them a reason to whine and suicide gank their precious Exhumers. If they still not get that EVE is essentially a PvP focused game, tell them that WoW will be much more entertaining for them.
There is no reason to pity the fools. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:50:00 -
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I find there tears a nice change from the drone of my lazors so let them flow into a sea
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:47:00 -
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My brother would canflip everybody he could, kill those who riposte, then come back and mine in peace. I don't mine
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.03.19 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T My brother would canflip everybody he could, kill those who riposte, then come back and mine in peace. I don't mine
the last person to canflip me found himself webed, scramed, and in front of of an uncloaking BC and about 15 drones.
his partner found himself in the same spot but with 2 BC warping in on him when was down to armor.
between them we got some nice T2 mods and some faction ammo for the price of 3 drones.
note to bad guys, when your partner is in a frigate, and you as backup are in a Thrasher, and your partner says Oh **** on vent, and when you get there you see that your partner is the only wreck there with no concord, DONT TRY TO LOOT THE WRECK UNTILL YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE HECK HAPPEND!
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Avalon Champion
Gallente Defence Evaluation Research Agency
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Posted - 2009.03.19 05:53:00 -
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In your first example, the only time I'll move on to a new belt is if
a) its mostly gone b) theres an obvious mining op going on
As for being warned off, tell them to get stuffed, What exactly can/will they do? In highsec if they attack you concord comes along and pops them.
As for them getting annoyed even better, just post the chat logs in C&P, especially if you can get them riled up
In your second example, ordinarilly I wont mine another persons roid, as it takes a lot of micro management of the strips, however if in the case of example one, I'll go out of my way to mine the same roids just to see them whine more.
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Argendta
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:05:00 -
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Edited by: Argendta on 19/03/2009 06:06:47 There is no etiquette, in mining or anything else. We are all bastards here, and it's ship eats ship world.
We will mine your roids, salvage your wrecks, steal your loot, flip your cans, suicide your industrials, eat your sushi and r-r-a-p-e your girlfriend while burning your house AND dancing on the ashes, all the time screaming "I want more TEARS!!!"
Seriously, any rules are reserved for your own corp/alliance, and you learn of them beforehand; outside of it, if you feel confrontational, feel free to bite anyone's head of and... err... take a **it there.
Seriously, that filter is annoying. I haven't said anything obscene or rude here. Why censure half my post?
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Yendor Widdershins
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:34:00 -
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Personally, I wouldn't mine the same roid someone else is. If it's just one ship I'll definatetly mine the same belt. If it's an obvious organized expedition, then depending on my mood and how desperate I am for ore I'll likely try another belt.
If someone PM's you an obnoxious message, the correct response is somewhere between "you and whose army?" and "Hmmm, you're right, it's much easier to just take yours"
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:18:00 -
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I'd say mining the same asteroid as someone else is rude, since it can mess up their time calculations (when to stop the laser, etc), but mining in the same belt? That's fine. If you're not concerned with being rude, mine whatever you feel like.
Hell, people getting upset about people mining in "their" belt might as well get mad about people salving "their" wrecks...oh, wait.
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Zaldox
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:30:00 -
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If i warp too a belt where someone else is mining,i usually leave for another belt..Unless its a lonely miner and its a big belt..Ill just move too the other side of it.... If someone else come when i mine a belt,i dont care as long as he/she is not mining the same roid as me...I would suggest he/she move too the other side of the belt.... But since im mining in 0.0 and its only my alliance members thats aloved too mine there,i really dont have too many problems..
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Scott Ryder
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:32:00 -
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Edited by: Scott Ryder on 19/03/2009 07:33:24
Originally by: Yendor Widdershins Personally, I wouldn't mine the same roid someone else is. If it's just one ship I'll definatetly mine the same belt. If it's an obvious organized expedition, then depending on my mood and how desperate I am for ore I'll likely try another belt.
If someone PM's you an obnoxious message, the correct response is somewhere between "you and whose army?" and "Hmmm, you're right, it's much easier to just take yours"
Lovely seeing someone without a portrait saying that.
Well last time I had that response when I told them to go away (I used to mine once upon a time) I wardecced his corp with my alt corp. Gave them a good Grief (kinda funny seeing what 1 curse 1 eos anda absolution can do vs a mining corp) and well the war ended. Couple months later he warped into the same belt I was, guess what he did? Warped away.
Or you can just keep a curse alt and a cs alt in the same corp as you closeby and tank youre hulk well (400 dps tank). Then flip the can he is mining in and wait for him to bring the battleship. Then bring the curse and the cs.
Or take a alt in a speedfitted ship and bump him the **** away from youre roids. And i mean 70 km away is good. Repeat til he agresses or gets the idea.
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Kleb Siella
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.19 08:16:00 -
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It's not etiquette, it's a stupidity check. Once you get to a certain amount of yield there's little point occupying the same belt as another decent looking miner. Of course stupid people will do exactly that but there's no point caring about it. You can either finish off or leave them to the scraps and move to the next belt you earmarked. |
Enish Rangar
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Posted - 2009.03.19 08:20:00 -
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This is dumb.
The only etiquette involved in belt mining is this... ask me to leave "your belt"... i'll beat you with "my belt". As others have said there is plenty of ore to go around and if you have a "crappy" attitude I'll leave you to your pod to think about your words towards me... or not in a pod at all.
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Snow Banshee
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.19 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Snow Banshee on 19/03/2009 08:37:37 im quite surprised by soem answers here. Its obvious that nobody posses the belt but we are talking about netiquette not laws or property.
imho:
* if there are some empty belt in same system i find there's no reason to steal roids each others. * if there are not empty belts, then go to same belt but start mining quite far, from the other guys ( so he will mine first minerals near him, and you those near you ) * if in the same belt there is a mining op with several professionals they will most likelly deplete the whole belt quite fast , so if possible i would chose another belt ( its not just a favour to them.. its also at your advangage find a belt ther you can mine in peace) * if the other miners are just noob in frigs... just avoid to mine the same roid. * hail other miners and ask if "roids are hoot today". :-)
Obviusly thore are just my personal opinion and are not to be considered laws.. just some basic netiquette rules. You can follow them or not , as the same way you can ne nice or a pure bas<beeeep!>rd, in eve you can be whatever you prefer.
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TempSniper
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 08:51:00 -
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I agree with if someone is in a belt then move along. Theres plenty of belts and systems with ore to mine.
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Enish Rangar
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Posted - 2009.03.19 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: Enish Rangar on 19/03/2009 08:54:41
Originally by: Snow Banshee Edited by: Snow Banshee on 19/03/2009 08:37:37 im quite surprised by soem answers here. Its obvious that nobody posses the belt but we are talking about netiquette not laws or property.
imho:
* if there are some empty belt in same system i find there's no reason to steal roids each others. * if there are not empty belts, then go to same belt but start mining quite far, from the other guys ( so he will mine first minerals near him, and you those near you ) * if in the same belt there is a mining op with several professionals they will most likelly deplete the whole belt quite fast , so if possible i would chose another belt ( its not just a favour to them.. its also at your advangage find a belt ther you can mine in peace) * if the other miners are just noob in frigs... just avoid to mine the same roid. * hail other miners and ask if "roids are hoot today". :-)
Obviusly thore are just my personal opinion and are not to be considered laws.. just some basic netiquette rules. You can follow them or not , as the same way you can ne nice or a pure bas<beeeep!>rd, in eve you can be whatever you prefer.
Netiquette? Are you mad? Netiquette does not apply in an MMORPG... just the rules of the game apply (which as all EVE players know, you make your own rules). Quit whining and trying to impose "netiquette rules" (<- NOT RULES) on others when they just don't apply.
P.S. I guess I should state that I'm okay with moving along to an unmanned belt... but I'm against someone trying to tell others the "proper way" in a game of this nature.
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Padrfe
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Posted - 2009.03.19 09:39:00 -
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If I am mining a belt, alone ore in a fleet and another comes along to mine, I will trundle on over near ti them and mine the roid right out from under them. When they move to another roid, I move right along with them and mine that one out from under them. They get ****ed and leave after a few times. To that end if I enter a belt and there is even one person in there i will move along and find another. If it is the only belt, then refer to above and the undercutting shall begin. This tactic also works well to find macro miners and AFK miners as they will not lock and mine another rock with any type of speed. If it found to be an macro miner, then an approaching ship can keep them doing the warp dance for a few hours.
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Enish Rangar
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Posted - 2009.03.19 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Padrfe If I am mining a belt, alone ore in a fleet and another comes along to mine, I will trundle on over near ti them and mine the roid right out from under them. When they move to another roid, I move right along with them and mine that one out from under them. They get ****ed and leave after a few times. To that end if I enter a belt and there is even one person in there i will move along and find another. If it is the only belt, then refer to above and the undercutting shall begin. This tactic also works well to find macro miners and AFK miners as they will not lock and mine another rock with any type of speed. If it found to be an macro miner, then an approaching ship can keep them doing the warp dance for a few hours.
The last part is funny because if i'm feeling pretty piraty (ARGGGH) I'll check local belts for afk macro miners... do the very same... wait to see if the is a person there or not... if not can flip em! Wooo.
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Enish Rangar
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Posted - 2009.03.19 09:55:00 -
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One more thing to equate this to in real life.
Say you like to fish... and you go to a lake out of the 4-9 lakes in your area... if someone or a few people are there mining... errr i mean fishing in "your lake" are you gonna pack up and drive to some other lake miles away? NO.
However if there are like 60 people at your lake all fishing... you might think about moving on.
I know eve isn't real life but the analogy applies.
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:33:00 -
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I try to find a nice and quiet belt for myself usually but if I see some huge veld roids and some other miner is chipping away at them I will gladly joining the party.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.03.19 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Enish Rangar This is dumb.
The only etiquette involved in belt mining is this... ask me to leave "your belt"... i'll beat you with "my belt". As others have said there is plenty of ore to go around and if you have a "crappy" attitude I'll leave you to your pod to think about your words towards me... or not in a pod at all.
You are a ! and will never pod me. Ever
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Clocky
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:05:00 -
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I was melting some roids the other day and I noticed a newish guy in a retriver come to the belt and started mining into his set of GSC containers and even though there was a ton of ore left to mine in the belt I left him to it and went off to another belt.
I did this because I have a big heart and have mined into GSC long ago in my noobie days so I know how much trouble he went to setting them up -).
I really need to stop doing that
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Enish Rangar
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Enish Rangar on 19/03/2009 12:12:30
Originally by: Scott Ryder
Originally by: Enish Rangar This is dumb.
The only etiquette involved in belt mining is this... ask me to leave "your belt"... i'll beat you with "my belt". As others have said there is plenty of ore to go around and if you have a "crappy" attitude I'll leave you to your pod to think about your words towards me... or not in a pod at all.
You are a ! and will never pod me. Ever
If I'll never pod you, then you aren't a miner... I assume you're a fighter. If you're a miner, it's possible I might pod you. It's just a fact.
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Aiko Intaki
Lodizal Capsuleers Lodizal Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:18:00 -
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I use a purely selfish estimation in such cases...
I'm generally moving more than just a hulk about when I mine. If it looks like I'm going to have to move and setup again in the near future because someone is contesting the resources... I'll move along. If, however, they are a lone retriever in a particularly nice high sec field, I'll generally setup camp and clear the place out.
Honoring multi-pilot mining ops is generally a given consider this priority.
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Carlisle Veritas Hi All.
I did a few searches for etiquette in the forums and could not find anything on this topic, so here goes.
I'm interested in people's opinion on miner etiquette. For example, if you arrive at belt and there's someone there, should you a) find another belt, or b) go about your normal mining business. People have been picked out in local, and on occasion I've been pm'd for "intruding" on another miner's belt. Personally I don't particularly care, but some people get annoyed if you don't move.
Example 2. You're mining in a belt with other miners and they start mining the roid that you're mining. My personal opinion: It's not yours until in your cargo hold (and even then... ). Some people get upset, others don't care.
These situations can sometimes make for amusing local smack talk, but other times are just annoying.
Similar things can go for wrecks of rats you kill while mining. Some people ask, others just go for it.
So, what are your thoughts? Would you leave a belt if someone who's already there asked you to? Do you move on anyway if you find someone already in a belt? Would you pick someone out for mining "your" ore? Does etiquette have a place in Eve at all?
Cheers.
Carl.
I think youll find most miners adhere to some sort of etiquette even if they talk big on forums. As long as there is plenty of ore to go around there is no point in snaking someone elses ore, as they will simply do it back, and then we all lose.
To answer your questions, if i arrive at belt and someone is already there, Ill move. Etiquette has a place in eve as far as people dont want to get into fights, and make isk.
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Khwalik
Ghetto Kings
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:39:00 -
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Example One, typically if it's one barge and the belt isn't sacked yet I'll set up on the oppisite end from the other miner.
Example 2, I don't lock on roids someone else is locked on, it's just a waste of time. And 90% of the people that mine the systems I work in are the same way. The ones that don't generally are noobs in retrievers that haven't mined long to begin with.
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:17:00 -
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Sorry sir what you are looking for is good manners within the convines of Eve.
While even the most hard core of pirates CAN sometimes be willing to offer advice to the person they attempted to ransom, it's only for their own motives, i.e they'll take the advice on board and come back with better stuff.
Cycling mining lasers is a "tactic" that can be hilarious either way, if they notice what you're doing then they can either i) whinge about it to you, ii) do the same thing as you're doing or iii) both. Either way, it comes down to who's paying more attention, me or them?
There MAY be enough minerals in the game, tritanium accounts for 75% of the total volume for the average ship btw, hence the crazy tritanium prices, but come on - this is a sandbox after all and it's the person with the biggest sandcastle left standing when they close the park that will get the most kudos and internet-appreciation, so it's a race. They might not turn the servers off for the next five, ten or years, but I didn't say it was going to be a quick race. -------------------------- Life is about memories the more the better. Eve Online Batch Calculator |
Maxpie
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:10:00 -
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Why are you mining in such a busy area? Find a nice out of the way place. You will have tons of roids and no can flippers. If I was in your situation, I think I'd just go to another belt. If all the belts had other miners and for some reason I still wanted to mine in this system, I would probably give basic courtesy, not mine their roids, and mine in a quiet part of the belt to reduce the chance of them infringing on my roids.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Scott Ryder on 19/03/2009 14:27:56
Originally by: Enish Rangar
If I'll never pod you, then you aren't a miner... I assume you're a fighter. If you're a miner, it's possible I might pod you. It's just a fact.
I used to be a miner. But not on this char. My miner has roughly 25 mil sp. 7 mil sp in drones and alot in shields. Can easly with the right fit tank 400 dps and do 192. Enough to tank most battlecruisers. Stuff like nosses and neuts will offcourse render my tank useless.
But seriusly a 2.5 year old char seldom gets podded by a !. Ive been attacked by a arazu in 0.0 in a dual pithi b and invuln II fit and endt up chasing him away. Remember that 25 mil sp means experience, knowlegde (usually), decent wallet, well fit and at times a damnation or pilgrim alt within range. If not they are just simply dumb
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2009.03.19 15:16:00 -
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If the belt is almost gone and someone else is there, or if its an op I'm not involved in, I'll just find another belt. However, if there's someone else in a HUGE belt, no reason it can't be shared.
Of course, if I just want the belt, or if there's a macro, I'll just go get a mwd bs and bump them out of the belt.
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