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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.03.05 00:26:00 -
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I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec watching ships pass by just for fun.
I am discouraged by the amount of 1 second warps that I'm seeing from Caracals, Vexors, even Exequrors. I am not 100% sure if they have istabs fitted (it's quite possible) but for some reason these ships are speeding up and warping off before you would even have a reasonable chance of locking them with a frig.
Cruisers don't feel like cruisers to me any more. I've been flying around a Thorax and a Vexor for a few weeks and I have to say I'm disheartened that it can warp with a 1600mm plate fitted in about 2-3 seconds. Even with an interceptor that would be remote sensor boosted, I'm doubting that they'll acquire lock and point before lock and module lag.
What happened to ships feeling massive? Frigates feel small and light, battleships feel (more) heavy and battlecruisers feel like big cruisers.
Cruisers feel like paper. Can this be fixed?
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Atreus Tac
Quatidion Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.03.05 00:28:00 -
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not just cruisers im afraid. agility got a boost and scan res didnt
using advanced maths some integration and crap i come to the belief that it now makes no sense. __________________________________________________________
-Cheers-
Atreus Tac
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.03.05 00:31:00 -
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please crying about it on here isnt going to help you , they fitted and adapted there ship to warp as fast as possible, if you actually caught one you find there paper thin because they have sacrifised tank for this.
Heard stealth bombers are rather quick locking speeds
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.03.05 00:32:00 -
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It's sad to see Cruisers warping off before even Interceptors can get a lock on them. The only reliable way to catch sub-BC ships nowadays is with bubbles out in 0.0
...and even then they can just burn back to the gate
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.03.05 00:32:00 -
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this is good news really
it means that innocent traveleers are having greater chance to make way instead of destroy by pirates
Also, I believe that you should join Rancer Defence Force. It's cool.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.05 01:07:00 -
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cruisers will always be cruisers why do you want them to be crusiers whatever they are?
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.03.05 01:16:00 -
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I agree. I can't believe they over looked this during the nanonerv. In before Ralara. |
MenanceWhite
Amarr SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.03.05 01:23:00 -
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RSBd heavydictors. Changes were to promote TEAMWORK!! ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.03.05 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 05/03/2009 02:26:45
Rawr Cristina speaks the truth, cruisers of a certain type that are alligned to it's destination with NO MODIFIERS OF ANY KIND are invulnerable to locking as soon as they uncloak as they get into warp so fast, I've been in a sensor booster interceptor and missed a basilisk once, got a lot of stick for it despite explaining It instawarped.
My buddies caught it eventually, it had no nano mods/rigs of any kind.
As Cristina says, you partly have to allow for lag too, I know I've been right before someone before and was sure to get them only to have the gate delay me.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.05 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 05/03/2009 02:30:06
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec...
Found your problem right there. This is a game that requires you to earn your kills, adapt, and strategize team-play. No need to thank me. My advice is free.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.03.05 02:44:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 05/03/2009 02:53:14
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec...
Found your problem right there. This is a game that requires you to earn your kills, adapt, and strategize team-play. No need to thank me. My advice is free.
Once upon time you had to earn your safety. Fortunately for most, PvP in EVE is completely consensual to anyone with half a clue.
Since WTZ came to be the only ship I've ever lost to a gatecamp was a Shuttle. And that was to Smartbombs. In the same timeframe I've flown ships of all sizes through both low-sec and 0.0, including a Freighter which I brought back from depths of Curse with nothing but a trial alt for protection. And I'm just a lil' Caldari nub.
So don't give me that.
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UMEE
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Posted - 2009.03.05 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: UMEE on 05/03/2009 03:23:12
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec watching ships pass by just for fun.
I am discouraged by the amount of 1 second warps that I'm seeing from Caracals, Vexors, even Exequrors. I am not 100% sure if they have istabs fitted (it's quite possible) but for some reason these ships are speeding up and warping off before you would even have a reasonable chance of locking them with a frig.
Cruisers don't feel like cruisers to me any more. I've been flying around a Thorax and a Vexor for a few weeks and I have to say I'm disheartened that it can warp with a 1600mm plate fitted in about 2-3 seconds. Even with an interceptor that would be remote sensor boosted, I'm doubting that they'll acquire lock and point before lock and module lag.
What happened to ships feeling massive? Frigates feel small and light, battleships feel (more) heavy and battlecruisers feel like big cruisers.
Cruisers feel like paper. Can this be fixed?
i love my vexor's/ishtar's agility. plz dont change =) thats why we fly cruisers.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.05 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C please crying about it on here isnt going to help you , they fitted and adapted there ship to warp as fast as possible, if you actually caught one you find there paper thin because they have sacrifised tank for this.
Heard stealth bombers are rather quick locking speeds
No. CCP boosted agility. Go forum battle elsewhere. --
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.05 06:22:00 -
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Well, having never flown a Space Cruiser in the year 23,000AD, I'm not entirely sure what they should feel like.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Grunanca
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:06:00 -
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I use a dual sensor boosted Broadsword and got no trouble catching all cruisers but stabbers really. This requires me to hold down control and have the mouse over the spot in the overview where i know the cruiser will show up. I do however live close to the server (can make a little difference) and got a computer which rarely lags in EVE. I do however agree with the rest here that the new align times are completely crap. A ship should be able to catch a tanked ship of own size without a sensor booster like in the old days.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:09:00 -
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A 1600 thorax takes over 5 seconds to warp unless fitted for agility (which would be a stupid fit), so your math is off.
And for your "Even with an interceptor that would be remote sensor boosted, I'm doubting that they'll acquire lock and point before lock and module lag." If you (or any of your friends) tackling intie is NOT capable of catching a cruiser then blame yourself, not the game. I have NO problems catching small stuff in my Stiletto so I guess it comes down to not being stupid and actually paying attention.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:14:00 -
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a heavy dictor without the focusing script ? I mean 30 km 1 point bubble in lowsec, enough to lock the cruiser ... ok the field generator might not work in lowsec without focusing script, but I never tried ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa II am discouraged by the amount of 1 second warps that I'm seeing from Caracals, Vexors, even Exequrors. I am not 100% sure if they have istabs fitted (it's quite possible) but for some reason these ships are speeding up and warping off before you would even have a reasonable chance of locking them with a frig.
Cruisers don't feel like cruisers to me any more. I've been flying around a Thorax and a Vexor for a few weeks and I have to say I'm disheartened that it can warp with a 1600mm plate fitted in about 2-3 seconds. Even with an interceptor that would be remote sensor boosted, I'm doubting that they'll acquire lock and point before lock and module lag.
Do you think blatant exagerations are helping your credibility? ------------------------------------------
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa II am discouraged by the amount of 1 second warps that I'm seeing from Caracals, Vexors, even Exequrors. I am not 100% sure if they have istabs fitted (it's quite possible) but for some reason these ships are speeding up and warping off before you would even have a reasonable chance of locking them with a frig.
Cruisers don't feel like cruisers to me any more. I've been flying around a Thorax and a Vexor for a few weeks and I have to say I'm disheartened that it can warp with a 1600mm plate fitted in about 2-3 seconds. Even with an interceptor that would be remote sensor boosted, I'm doubting that they'll acquire lock and point before lock and module lag.
Do you think blatant exagerations are helping your credibility?
The OP has credibility?
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Grunanca
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka a heavy dictor without the focusing script ? I mean 30 km 1 point bubble in lowsec, enough to lock the cruiser ... ok the field generator might not work in lowsec without focusing script, but I never tried ...
Bubbles dont work in low sec.
For the guy talking about his vexor... Even if you werent lying about your align time, the basis align time for an untanked vexor used to be 6.2 seconds, and here im talking for a char with all skills comitted to aligning in L5. Prob the last thing I would call balanced...
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails this is good news really
it means that innocent traveleers are having greater chance to make way instead of destroy by pirates
Yeah, but it mean non innocent regressive dogs can move with impugnity too.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:25:00 -
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To add constructive material the discussion, permit me to repost something I did ... er last time this came up:
"Here, have some numbers as fuel for this discussion: Crow - locks an Crow in 2s, warps in 1.8s Kestrel - locks a kestrel in 3.3s, warps in 3s. Thrasher - locks in 2.3s, warps in 3.5s. Caracal - locks a in 4.7s, warps in 3.7s Drake - locks in 4.1s warps in 7.5s (brutix is similar) Raven - locks in 8.3s, warps in 10.5s
With the exception of battlecruisers, a ship is marginal on locking a mirror of itself before it can warp. When doing things like locking, especially if you're in pursuit of someone, 'loading lag' is what controls whether you can do this or not. I don't know about you, but I'd rather that wasn't the case."
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:28:00 -
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It's called using the proper ship/setup for the job.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.05 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim It's called using the proper ship/setup for the job.
Tripple-boosted Keres? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Jalif
Black Sinisters
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Posted - 2009.03.05 09:10:00 -
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Yeap.. its stupid.. specially when you can do it with a cyclone (yes you can, doing it daily). This stuff totally becomes overpowered when you have also a skirmish warfare implant and you are in a gang.
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Amael Galenus
Mighty Moshin Emo Rangers
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Posted - 2009.03.05 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: Amael Galenus on 05/03/2009 10:02:00
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec watching ships pass by just for fun.
I am discouraged by the amount of 1 second warps that I'm seeing from Caracals, Vexors, even Exequrors. I am not 100% sure if they have istabs fitted (it's quite possible) but for some reason these ships are speeding up and warping off before you would even have a reasonable chance of locking them with a frig.
Cruisers don't feel like cruisers to me any more. I've been flying around a Thorax and a Vexor for a few weeks and I have to say I'm disheartened that it can warp with a 1600mm plate fitted in about 2-3 seconds. Even with an interceptor that would be remote sensor boosted, I'm doubting that they'll acquire lock and point before lock and module lag.
What happened to ships feeling massive? Frigates feel small and light, battleships feel (more) heavy and battlecruisers feel like big cruisers.
Cruisers feel like paper. Can this be fixed?
FYI- the best and cheapest secure transport ship I've found for low sec is a Vexor fitted with MWD, 2 x Large Shield Extenders, 3 Nanofibers & a Damage Control... warps in less than a second, has 480m3 cargo space & nearly 15k effective HP (meaning it can survive burning back to the gate if necessary).
Just because it's a combat ship doesn't mean that it's always going to be used for combat purposes!
Edit: Try catching these cruisers when they're in belts or on missions- I bet you'll find their agility is off when they're fitted for PvP/PvE instead of travel
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.03.05 13:30:00 -
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actually, it's just lag. we may not have the obvious spikes anymore but the entire game runs on ~2sec latency these days. "desync" has become common vocabulary. no wonder then if dumb weapons (missiles) and even dumber tanks (buffer, buffer and more buffer) rise in popularity, fully supported by CCP through tier2 battlecruisers, HICs and now t3 cruisers. and lets not forget the nano nerf; although justified in principle, totally gone overboard. - putting the gist back into logistics |
Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.05 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 05/03/2009 02:53:14
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I have been sitting at a gate now in lowsec...
Found your problem right there. This is a game that requires you to earn your kills, adapt, and strategize team-play. No need to thank me. My advice is free.
Once upon time you had to earn your safety. Fortunately for most, PvP in EVE is completely consensual to anyone with half a clue.
Since WTZ came to be the only ship I've ever lost to a gatecamp was a Shuttle. And that was to Smartbombs. In the same timeframe I've flown ships of all sizes through both low-sec and 0.0, including a Freighter which I brought back from depths of Curse with nothing but a trial alt for protection. And I'm just a lil' Caldari nub.
So don't give me that.
Once upon a time you had to go out and earn your kills. The next generation pirates got stupid and lazy, and very much liked the idea of being able to just sit at a gate and press F1-F8. So much so that once upon a time the OP come to the forums to b**ch and whine on how he's not able to just sit at a gate and kill sh*t anymore. Oh, and unfitted cruisers warping in 1 second is utter bull****. If you have to make up sh** to prove a point then you really don't have one (this to the OP).
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.05 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus To add constructive material the discussion, permit me to repost something I did ... er last time this came up:
"Here, have some numbers as fuel for this discussion: Crow - locks an Crow in 2s, warps in 1.8s Kestrel - locks a kestrel in 3.3s, warps in 3s. Thrasher - locks in 2.3s, warps in 3.5s. Caracal - locks a in 4.7s, warps in 3.7s Drake - locks in 4.1s warps in 7.5s (brutix is similar) Raven - locks in 8.3s, warps in 10.5s
With the exception of battlecruisers, a ship is marginal on locking a mirror of itself before it can warp. When doing things like locking, especially if you're in pursuit of someone, 'loading lag' is what controls whether you can do this or not. I don't know about you, but I'd rather that wasn't the case."
This one time I pinned a Caracal against a Vaga in EFT and the Caracal won. But I never got the killmail. What gives? EFT battles are cereals bizniz!
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The AEther
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2009.03.05 14:17:00 -
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why are you feeling your cruisers? o_0
on a more serious note, yes CCP overdid their agility boost cruisers can enter warp now right under the nose of a sensor-boosted interceptor
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