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Saladin
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Gangleri I was going to reply with something constructive and useful, but after reading the thread I think it would be pointless.
This thread is in the wrong forum section, is full of baseless rumor mongering and general misconceptions.
As a member of the team that is actually working on the new NPC AI and the Sleepers as well as an avid drone user I will say this:
You will have to think outside the box, you will have to pick your fights. And you will be challenged, if none of this sounds appealing to you then you should probably stay in K-space.
Lovely. By the same token I suggest you stay away from Forum-Space.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Erichk Knaar This is already the best, or nearly the best expansion ever, purely based on the whining.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Saladin
Originally by: CCP Gangleri I was going to reply with something constructive and useful, but after reading the thread I think it would be pointless.
This thread is in the wrong forum section, is full of baseless rumor mongering and general misconceptions.
As a member of the team that is actually working on the new NPC AI and the Sleepers as well as an avid drone user I will say this:
You will have to think outside the box, you will have to pick your fights. And you will be challenged, if none of this sounds appealing to you then you should probably stay in K-space.
Lovely. By the same token I suggest you stay away from Forum-Space.
Disagree.
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Corwain
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ragnar Foulberg I apologize for the way the devs were treated earlier by a few of the other members. They don't speak for the majority of EVE players and I think it's fair to say we don't want to see the devs withdrawal from these discussions on account of a few people who are unable to be civil in public.
How can you talk so much with a mouthful of Dev so far down your throat? -- Distortion| Distortion 2 Preview |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Aarin Wrath Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 19/02/2009 20:57:06
Originally by: Dinsdale Pirannha Stuff..
Hate to be an ass, but you do know all of those Gallente drone boats have Turret slots right? heck I think some of them even have Hybrid damage bonuses.
Seriously though, try and think outside of the box. The NOS Heavy Drone FLOM template might need to change to deal with these guys.
Oh no.
Edit: for ploliteness ... hard not to bash this guy
I also have been trying to be polite, but have you even tried to fly a Gallente boat before? Hybrids use cap. Neuts kill cap. So short range/medium range hybrids are also an I-Lose button. BTW, an Ishtar can field 3 medium Hybrid slots. Max damage, with T2 blasters, about 158 DPS, with perfect skills and no mag stabs. Wow. A whole 158 DPS. That will be real effective, assuming you can get close, and not webbed, and not neuted, and not shot at.
A Myrmidon: ZERO gun bonuses. A Dominix: Ever try to actually fit 6 Large Hybrids plus a T2 tank with a repper, and keep it cap stable?
Oh, and assuming you try to snipe with this Domi (completely out of its normal use), scrap the repping, add 3 Mag Stabs in the lows and tracking computers to increase range, and use Spike, we get a whopping 286 DPS from the guns, with perfect skills.
Clearly, you don't have a clue what you are are talking about when it comes to Gallente Drone boats.
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Joar Mendar
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Joar Mendar on 19/02/2009 21:23:35
Quote: How can you talk so much with a mouthful of Dev so far down your throat?
*narfle hwarfle mwuffle*
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ron Bacardi
Originally by: CCP Gangleri Baseless Rumor Mongering and General Misconceptions.
Change the name of General Discussion to this imo.
Hilarious because it's so true.
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mcnuggetlol
Amarr Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:25:00 -
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You know you're a whiny ***got if even the devs give up on you
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Tybalt Usra
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:25:00 -
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I read this as "I won't be able to drop drones, turn on tank and go AFK vs sleepers".
Tough ****. Scoop and redeploy the same way you do when fighting a player who is targetting drones. Or use sentries, your fast moving arguement is redundant, get the sleeper tackled.
Carebears are getting introduced to PvP tactics, the tears will be free flowing and salty.
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Cailais
Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Why is it called K space though?
Just a term that's developed over time k-space = 'known' space, as opposed to "W-Space" or worm hole accessed space which in theory is 'unknown' in terms of its precise location.
C.
Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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Something Random
Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:28:00 -
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LMAO LOL ROFLMAO
Cant wait.
That is all.
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Casiella Truza
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Sleeper space is not really a welcome place for a lone wanderer. So I guess you could always hope that your team-mates take the brunt of the enemy fire.
Taking this in the context of EVE, renowned and loved for its harshness, wanderers (lone or otherwise) aren't really welcome anywhere. It's the way the game is and we like it that way.
Cheers to CCP Prism X. --
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 19/02/2009 21:34:29
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Saladin
Originally by: CCP Gangleri I was going to reply with something constructive and useful, but after reading the thread I think it would be pointless.
This thread is in the wrong forum section, is full of baseless rumor mongering and general misconceptions.
As a member of the team that is actually working on the new NPC AI and the Sleepers as well as an avid drone user I will say this:
You will have to think outside the box, you will have to pick your fights. And you will be challenged, if none of this sounds appealing to you then you should probably stay in K-space.
Lovely. By the same token I suggest you stay away from Forum-Space.
Disagree.
I concur with Malcanis. In fact, I think more Devs should tell the people here that they are about as bright as a a 5 watt light bulb (my words).
Aside from the whines, my favorite was the person who was arguing about PvP, and used the alliance tournament for comparison.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Aarin Wrath
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dinsdale Pirannha
I also have been trying to be polite, but have you even tried to fly a Gallente boat before? Hybrids use cap. Neuts kill cap. So short range/medium range hybrids are also an I-Lose button. BTW, an Ishtar can field 3 medium Hybrid slots. Max damage, with T2 blasters, about 158 DPS, with perfect skills and no mag stabs. Wow. A whole 158 DPS. That will be real effective, assuming you can get close, and not webbed, and not neuted, and not shot at.
A Myrmidon: ZERO gun bonuses. A Dominix: Ever try to actually fit 6 Large Hybrids plus a T2 tank with a repper, and keep it cap stable?
Oh, and assuming you try to snipe with this Domi (completely out of its normal use), scrap the repping, add 3 Mag Stabs in the lows and tracking computers to increase range, and use Spike, we get a whopping 286 DPS from the guns, with perfect skills.
Clearly, you don't have a clue what you are are talking about when it comes to Gallente Drone boats.
1. I have Gallente Battle Ship LVL4. I missioned in my bear days regularly in a 350mm Rail Dominix all the time. Sometimes I would throw blasters on it. It works belive it or not. 2. "Hybrids use cap" so do Energy, you donGÇÖt hear Ammarr complaining. All ships are going to get neuted, not just gallente. Everyone ... 3. "hybrids are also an I-Lose button", so the Blasterthorn is a I-Lose ship? Since when? 4. 158 DPS with the ishtar: I was not suggesting you only field hybrids and no drones on a Ishtar, but your point is taken. Perhaps it isen't the best ship for drone space, but also perhaps ther are other ships in the enter gallente fleet that you could take instead? Take the tools you need! 5. "A Dominix: Ever try to actually fit 6 Large ....": Done and done. I used to mission in one all the time. See above #1.
Ah screw it. Ya know what, nevermind. You just donGÇÖt seem to want to listen. Your sky is falling and you are too stuck in your ways to see anything but the end of Gallente. Please just stop the catastophizing or just stay in K-Space
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Gangleri
As a member of the team that is actually working on the new NPC AI...
If you really want them to be playerlike in their combat intelligence when fighting, make sleepers start complaining in local about how it's not fair because CCP won't listen etc... when they start losing.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dinsdale Pirannha
Originally by: Aarin Wrath Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 19/02/2009 20:57:06
Originally by: Dinsdale Pirannha Stuff..
Hate to be an ass, but you do know all of those Gallente drone boats have Turret slots right? heck I think some of them even have Hybrid damage bonuses.
Seriously though, try and think outside of the box. The NOS Heavy Drone FLOM template might need to change to deal with these guys.
Oh no.
Edit: for ploliteness ... hard not to bash this guy
I also have been trying to be polite, but have you even tried to fly a Gallente boat before? Hybrids use cap. Neuts kill cap. So short range/medium range hybrids are also an I-Lose button. BTW, an Ishtar can field 3 medium Hybrid slots. Max damage, with T2 blasters, about 158 DPS, with perfect skills and no mag stabs. Wow. A whole 158 DPS. That will be real effective, assuming you can get close, and not webbed, and not neuted, and not shot at.
A Myrmidon: ZERO gun bonuses. A Dominix: Ever try to actually fit 6 Large Hybrids plus a T2 tank with a repper, and keep it cap stable?
Oh, and assuming you try to snipe with this Domi (completely out of its normal use), scrap the repping, add 3 Mag Stabs in the lows and tracking computers to increase range, and use Spike, we get a whopping 286 DPS from the guns, with perfect skills.
Clearly, you don't have a clue what you are are talking about when it comes to Gallente Drone boats.
Your lack of corp ticker is giving your "newness" away in the eve universe.
Your first statement is completely true, ishtar needs range and rails with a decent amount of speed to be effective. Doing otherwise is suicide or crazy, blasters are fun. If you are in their face shooting i really doubt they will shoot JUST your drones.... And to be honest the first thing i do if I'm getting BBQ'd by a ishtar is go after it's drones. So how is this a bad thing?
Your second statement, congrats! You have now realized the drawback of flying gallente ships. Welcome to eve.
3rd, If you want to snipe use a mega, don't use a domi. No ship is good at everything.
So grow a pair, die a bunch, and learn to pvp in this new awesome pve arena.... Stop, hammer time. |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: CCP Gangleri
As a member of the team that is actually working on the new NPC AI...
If you really want them to be playerlike in their combat intelligence when fighting, make sleepers start complaining in local about how it's not fair because CCP won't listen etc... when they start losing.
I cant wait till i see sleepers logoffski.
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Mangold
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Fifi LeFume Whats this I hear about your having problems with the tps reports? Didnt you get the memo?
I'll make sure he gets another copy.
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Cyber Blue
Gallente Cyber Blue Consulting
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Gangleri I was going to reply with something constructive and useful, but after reading the thread I think it would be pointless.
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Someone needs a hug. Devs need to be professional and not let the petty whinings of some people stop them from being constructive and useful.
That being said, it sounds like you folks are doing it right. Appropriate challenge will make it more fun.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Gangleri I was going to reply with something constructive and useful, but after reading the thread I think it would be pointless.
This thread is in the wrong forum section, is full of baseless rumor mongering and general misconceptions.
As a member of the team that is actually working on the new NPC AI and the Sleepers as well as an avid drone user I will say this:
You will have to think outside the box, you will have to pick your fights. And you will be challenged, if none of this sounds appealing to you then you should probably stay in K-space.
Well said that dev :)
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Jin Leegai
JF The Wanders Stainless St33l
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Confirming that drones are useless in PvP, so they'll be useless vs Sleeprats.
wth kind of pvp are you doing? are you even playying the same game as us?
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Kiotsu Adler
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
I'm wondering what you are telling me to be quiet for? You said exactly the same thing I did.
The poster was commenting how his battlecruiser couldn't WTFBBQPWN some frigates.
Frigates do not equal SUCK. 4-5 decent players in frigs can EASILY take down a battlecruiser, why should these rats be any different?
Hi my dear Megan,
QFT = quoting for truth. I was just extending on your comment and agreed with it. Sorry if it was not clear
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Aarin Wrath
Caldari Quatidion Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: CCP Gangleri
As a member of the team that is actually working on the new NPC AI...
If you really want them to be playerlike in their combat intelligence when fighting, make sleepers start complaining in local about how it's not fair because CCP won't listen etc... when they start losing.
I cant wait till i see sleepers logoffski.
Or start using login traps
Duhn duhn duhnnnnnnnnnnn!!!
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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:46:00 -
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And this is why you should have a special licence to post anything, anywhere, ever, on the interwebs.
So without further ado here is my all time favourite Eve online meme:
Adapt or die.
Theres a reason things become a part of common language use between certain social groups and in this case it is even more relevant.
So you trained drones?...
...So what, almost everything Ive ever trained has become fotm at some point and been nerfed into the ground: **** happens.
It seems to me you have 2 choices at this point:
{1} quit whining, accept that your drone skills are going to be less effective and look to what IS going to be useful. {2} quit eve (just prior to the most exiting patch since I started playing), thus saving yourself and all the people that stumble into this thread and threads like it the monotony of reading this drivel.
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mcnuggetlol
Amarr Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: CCP Gangleri
As a member of the team that is actually working on the new NPC AI...
If you really want them to be playerlike in their combat intelligence when fighting, make sleepers start complaining in local about how it's not fair because CCP won't listen etc... when they start losing.
And spam **** threads on the forums, of course
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:02:00 -
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GǪhas anyone tried using ye good olde EWar on these Sleepers to cut down on the friendly losses? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=GǪ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Gangleri I was going to reply with something constructive and useful, but after reading the thread I think it would be pointless.
This thread is in the wrong forum section, is full of baseless rumor mongering and general misconceptions.
As a member of the team that is actually working on the new NPC AI and the Sleepers as well as an avid drone user I will say this:
You will have to think outside the box, you will have to pick your fights. And you will be challenged, if none of this sounds appealing to you then you should probably stay in K-space.
Very well, if we are concerned about this change making a weapon system useless because the informations we have are insufficient/wrong and you wouldn't care to explain where those informations are wrong, can you at least get all the kind of sleeper spawn in some accessible location on Sisi for testing (seeing how so far wormholes are not working)?
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: CCP Gangleri I was going to reply with something constructive and useful, but after reading the thread I think it would be pointless.
This thread is in the wrong forum section, is full of baseless rumor mongering and general misconceptions.
As a member of the team that is actually working on the new NPC AI and the Sleepers as well as an avid drone user I will say this:
You will have to think outside the box, you will have to pick your fights. And you will be challenged, if none of this sounds appealing to you then you should probably stay in K-space.
Very well, if we are concerned about this change making a weapon system useless because the informations we have are insufficient/wrong and you wouldn't care to explain where those informations are wrong, can you at least get all the kind of sleeper spawn in some accessible location on Sisi for testing (seeing how so far wormholes are not working)?
No, I think that's a complete waste of time - if the people who were getting all excited over rumours and speculation were actually inclined to give the problem rational thought, rather than getting all worked up over nothing, then we wouldn't have this thread in the first place.
I'd rather the devs didn't waste their time chasing down every idiot who latches onto a misconception to correct them.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:25:00 -
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CCP Gangleri said "You will have to think outside the box, you will have to pick your fights. And you will be challenged, if none of this sounds appealing to you then you should probably stay in K-space." So that translates to if drones are your primary weapon, you fly drone ships and have all your skill points in drones then stay in K-space you're not meant to be in W-space?
More worrying is it's been suggested this AI will over time be added into missions. People are concerned as its sounds like CCP have plans to kill some peoples primary weapon system.
____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
What about Amarr? Their weapon systems as well as tank relies on cap, and the sleepers neut you like there's no tomorrow. They also negate range and seem to try to counter-act speed tanking.. bloody nanoboats! Point being I don't think that Gallente have it any worse off than the other races. Sleepers are just plain ebul.
Drakes/Vultures/Nighthawks w-space FOTM?
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