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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Why not? First rule of making democracy function - if you chose not to vote, you can't complain. If you lost, acknowledge it(though I'll still certainly allow for bitterness and complaining there). Jade won, suck it up.
First, that's two rules.
Secondly, this isn't about Jade or goons or a specific CSM but rather the way the CSM should work.
The post I was responding to was basically a person complaining about the results, and dismissing democracy because the person pointing it out was Jericho Fraction. Pointing it out again seemed the best course of action. And no, it's pretty much just one rule - "suck it up". Same rule as most of life, really. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Why not? First rule of making democracy function - if you chose not to vote, you can't complain. If you lost, acknowledge it(though I'll still certainly allow for bitterness and complaining there). Jade won, suck it up.
First, that's two rules.
Secondly, this isn't about Jade or goons or a specific CSM but rather the way the CSM should work.
The post I was responding to was basically a person complaining about the results, and dismissing democracy because the person pointing it out was Jericho Fraction. Pointing it out again seemed the best course of action. And no, it's pretty much just one rule - "suck it up". Same rule as most of life, really. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Inanna Zuni
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:44:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Vio Geraci ... obvious mental illnesses causing total breaks with reality ...
We all love playing this game yet gamers are frequently accused of being out of touch with reality!
Originally by: LASER WATCHER if we were to accidentally elect someone with autism/is deaf, then we should get a chance to fix it.
I find this VERY objectionable. Taking part in an online game does not require particular physical attributes other than hand-eye co-ordination, and the ability for *all* to take part is one of the wonders that the internet has made possible.
PLUS to reject someone on grounds of disability - of any sort - is now illegal in many countries and we (pilots, CCP, CSM) should take every step to ensure that nobody is disadvantaged.
Whilst some people may consider that being able to drink 10 pints an hour is a requirement, it isn't ;-0
Inanna Zuni
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Inanna Zuni
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Vio Geraci ... obvious mental illnesses causing total breaks with reality ...
We all love playing this game yet gamers are frequently accused of being out of touch with reality!
Originally by: LASER WATCHER if we were to accidentally elect someone with autism/is deaf, then we should get a chance to fix it.
I find this VERY objectionable. Taking part in an online game does not require particular physical attributes other than hand-eye co-ordination, and the ability for *all* to take part is one of the wonders that the internet has made possible.
PLUS to reject someone on grounds of disability - of any sort - is now illegal in many countries and we (pilots, CCP, CSM) should take every step to ensure that nobody is disadvantaged.
Whilst some people may consider that being able to drink 10 pints an hour is a requirement, it isn't ;-0
Inanna Zuni
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Bad Harlequin
Chiroptera Factor
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: LASER WATCHER
Originally by: Dingi223 There was a democratic process, and the chairman was voted in by the majority. Do you really believe that GS is so important that you can simply throw out that vote? The voting is done, the results are in, and that is that.
Like all democratic processes, the nomination is not forever. If Jade really messes up, the majority will vote differently next time. In my opinion, I will now definitely vote for Jade again, simply because of the way she has dealt with your tears.
Please be assured that this applies to any CSM Chairman at all, and that if we were to accidentally elect someone with autism/is deaf, then we should get a chance to fix it.
And you of course held this opinion all along and were planning on mentioning it no matter who won, right? Or did you only just happen to think of it over breakfast this morning? Complete coincidence? Nothingtoseeheremovealong?
C'mon, show me those wide innocent eyes!
Zleip > very, and this is more or less a post of humor that seriousness =)
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Bad Harlequin
Chiroptera Factor
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: LASER WATCHER
Originally by: Dingi223 There was a democratic process, and the chairman was voted in by the majority. Do you really believe that GS is so important that you can simply throw out that vote? The voting is done, the results are in, and that is that.
Like all democratic processes, the nomination is not forever. If Jade really messes up, the majority will vote differently next time. In my opinion, I will now definitely vote for Jade again, simply because of the way she has dealt with your tears.
Please be assured that this applies to any CSM Chairman at all, and that if we were to accidentally elect someone with autism/is deaf, then we should get a chance to fix it.
And you of course held this opinion all along and were planning on mentioning it no matter who won, right? Or did you only just happen to think of it over breakfast this morning? Complete coincidence? Nothingtoseeheremovealong?
C'mon, show me those wide innocent eyes!
Zleip > very, and this is more or less a post of humor that seriousness =)
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Galactic Overlord
The Fantastically Pantless Sporkmen
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:01:00 -
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I find it very interesting that the goons are mostly speaking up for the process and its mostly others that are assuming corruption.
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Galactic Overlord
The Fantastically Pantless Sporkmen
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:01:00 -
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I find it very interesting that the goons are mostly speaking up for the process and its mostly others that are assuming corruption.
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:08:00 -
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Hamlet was great and so is this suggestion. It's always good to have contingency options in case someone turns out to be a loony.
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:08:00 -
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Hamlet was great and so is this suggestion. It's always good to have contingency options in case someone turns out to be a loony.
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Zareph
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:29:00 -
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/signed
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Zareph
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:29:00 -
[42]
/signed
While all answers are replies, not all replies are answers. |
Mike Yass
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 22:29:00 -
[43]
Vio, what if the chair is currently detached from reality?
Either way, proper precautions must be taken.
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Mike Yass
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 22:29:00 -
[44]
Vio, what if the chair is currently detached from reality?
Either way, proper precautions must be taken.
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Saul Dhampir
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.22 23:36:00 -
[45]
This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team |
Saul Dhampir
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.22 23:36:00 -
[46]
This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team |
cimmaron
Warp Riders Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 00:03:00 -
[47]
This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team |
cimmaron
Warp Riders Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 00:03:00 -
[48]
This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team |
Kinkie Yuuki
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Posted - 2008.05.23 01:30:00 -
[49]
I'd vote for this if goons didn't have 2/9 spots, or players themselves voted on the new chairman in such a case the original is incompetent.
Though Jade will serve us well!
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Kinkie Yuuki
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Posted - 2008.05.23 01:30:00 -
[50]
I'd vote for this if goons didn't have 2/9 spots, or players themselves voted on the new chairman in such a case the original is incompetent.
Though Jade will serve us well!
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.05.23 03:11:00 -
[51]
Goum altpost, C/D?
Goal Line Blitz, an American Football MMO |
Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.05.23 03:11:00 -
[52]
Goum altpost, C/D?
Goal Line Blitz, an American Football MMO |
Sworn Absent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.23 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy This thread was pruned without any notice by CCP moderators. This is unacceptable.
Quoting this so it doesn't go un-noticed.
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Sworn Absent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.23 04:18:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy This thread was pruned without any notice by CCP moderators. This is unacceptable.
Quoting this so it doesn't go un-noticed.
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Smacktalking Alt
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Posted - 2008.05.23 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy Unlike the British Prime Minister the American President is also elected by a popular vote.
If you're an American citizen, then our schools have assuredly failed us. ------------------------------------------------- I'm trollin' They hatin' Patrollin' and tryin' to catch me writin' dirty! |
Smacktalking Alt
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Posted - 2008.05.23 04:37:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy Unlike the British Prime Minister the American President is also elected by a popular vote.
If you're an American citizen, then our schools have assuredly failed us. ------------------------------------------------- I'm trollin' They hatin' Patrollin' and tryin' to catch me writin' dirty! |
Dlardrageth
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.23 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Dlardrageth on 23/05/2008 04:56:44
Originally by: Smacktalking Alt
Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy Unlike the British Prime Minister the American President is also elected by a popular vote.
If you're an American citizen, then our schools have assuredly failed us.
Plus...
EVE-Online != America (or whatever country you want to drag into this)
Maybe we should rename this forum "Drama Hall", especially looking at many of the posts/topics/opinions "assembled" herein so far. If this keeps going on I might open a Corp-internal bet list that next time a vote for a CSM is up, the total percentage of votes will be in the one-digit-region...
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Dlardrageth
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.23 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Dlardrageth on 23/05/2008 04:56:44
Originally by: Smacktalking Alt
Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy Unlike the British Prime Minister the American President is also elected by a popular vote.
If you're an American citizen, then our schools have assuredly failed us.
Plus...
EVE-Online != America (or whatever country you want to drag into this)
Maybe we should rename this forum "Drama Hall", especially looking at many of the posts/topics/opinions "assembled" herein so far. If this keeps going on I might open a Corp-internal bet list that next time a vote for a CSM is up, the total percentage of votes will be in the one-digit-region...
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Poreuomai
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.05.23 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 23/05/2008 11:36:06
Originally by: Vio Geraci In the case of clear attempts to violate the CSM processes laid out by CCP or obvious mental illnesses causing total breaks with reality, the CSM should be able to call for a vote of no confidence in their Chairman. Like in Hamlet. Express support or discuss criticism of this idea here, thank you.
AGAINST. 100%.
If such a situation should ever arise, it should be the player base who call for and hold a vote of no confidence.
Originally by: Yorda this isn't about Jade or goons or a specific CSM but rather the way the CSM should work.
Somehow I find that very hard to believe.
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AltBier
Blue. Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.23 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy Unlike the British Prime Minister the American President is also elected by a popular vote.
I thought the president is elected by delegates, much like the PM is elected by MPs?!
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