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Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
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Posted - 2013.11.25 14:46:00 -
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Hi all,
Over the weekend I have been browsing the internet and forum looking for information on how to succesfully use a stealth bomber in WH space. I found some nice blogs to read, and movies to watch. However, a movie blowing up a miner or a hauler doesn't mean much to me at this point. I am much more interested in the "how did you get next to the miner/hauler in the first place".
So basicly I'm looking for information on how to flly the stealth bomber in wormhole space. How to find people to hunt, and when found, how to hunt them.
I know it's alot of information I'm asking for, and it probably is information not everyone is willing to share.. However, it would help me out greatly!
cheers |
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.25 14:53:00 -
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If you need to be taught through youtube videos, you're doing it wrong.
learn2probe Not a diplo.-á
The above post was edited for spelling. |
Caius Beriat
Blackstar Privateers Disavowed.
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:01:00 -
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A lone SB is not likely to have much effect. Fit out a cloaky T3 instead. |
Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:09:00 -
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Caius Beriat wrote:A lone SB is not likely to have much effect. Fit out a cloaky T3 instead.
When reading this I assume you mean cloaky proteus?
however I believe tactics will be kind a similar.. |
Caius Beriat
Blackstar Privateers Disavowed.
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:19:00 -
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A proteus would work well, you can have the best of everything, good dps, good tank, good scram/point range.
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Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
552
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:26:00 -
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Jonas Staal wrote: however I believe tactics will be kind a similar..
Holy crap.
How would tactics of a brawling proteus be similar to that of a paper thin torpedo thrower?
Not a diplo.-á
The above post was edited for spelling. |
Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:37:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Jonas Staal wrote: however I believe tactics will be kind a similar..
Holy crap. How would tactics of a brawling proteus be similar to that of a paper thin torpedo thrower?
If you read my post, you would know it's not about "the fight", rather than "working towards the fight".
EDIT: stopid of me ofcourse, asking for help in the EvE forum. |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:46:00 -
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Probe wh's from hs close to trade hubs. Best thing is to have a prober alt and use your main to kill what your prober finds. Its also good practice to go another wh deep depending on activity you find. The more you do it the faster you get and know what to look for. The best advice? Just go out and do it. Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
552
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:49:00 -
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Jonas Staal wrote: If you read my post, you would know it's not about "the fight", rather than "working towards the fight".
EDIT: stopid of me ofcourse, asking for help in the EvE forum.
Here's your help:
Step une: Find hole Step deux: Enter hole and probe for life signs. Step tree: gank Step fawr: recloak
Not a diplo.-á
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Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:25:00 -
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Sure, you can use a bomber - but your targets are really restricted - ie pi haulers, mining barges and noctis'
A recon or a cloaky t3 (pref the latter) gives you the ability to actually have a reasonable chance on being able to engage things you find.
Cheers,
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:43:00 -
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Best bet is to just get out there and try. Expect to die, embrace it, and you'll do fine.
This blog has some interesting bits and pieces around, if you're willing to take the time to read through and find them. Also this post is comprehensive in some tactics, if not slightly dated. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2013.11.25 20:41:00 -
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Wormholes are great for stealth bombers if you want to miners and indys. With the current changes it's quite possible to warp to a ladar before the miner reacts even if he is paying attention. Also don't pass up the Null Sec holes. There are a fair number of miners in deep NS. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Pancake King
Unreal Realities
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Posted - 2013.11.25 21:06:00 -
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You find targets one of two ways:
1) D-Scan if they are at an Anom/POCO. This is where you'll get your haulers and miners. You might get someone running sites too. You'll be unlikely to be able to take them in a SB, but if your patient they'll probably be back with a Noctius.
2) Combat probes. Most of the time though if you drop combat probes people will GTFO pretty quick.
T3 is the better option as it allows you to take a lot more fights but SB is a good way to learn the trade. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.11.25 22:01:00 -
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I know a couple of people who start in highsec scan down a chain of wormholes then either find a likely target, watchlist the inhabitants on an alt and log off in there or API ping the systems for PVE activity and see if they still have a link to that system in the chain (having previously bookmarked and scanned down the sites, etc.) its a bit too much like a day job for my tastes but they seem to enjoy it with quite a bit of sucess.
While not everyone will be able to use a single SB to the same level there are people who have solo'd just about every non-capital class ship in eve with them i.e. jhella another char whose name begins with a P that I can't recall off the top of my head to has a pretty mad record. |
Vhalasedai
Belt Club
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Posted - 2013.11.25 22:40:00 -
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I started my w-space adventures in a solo stealth bomber and documented some of my experiences. Maybe you'll find some useful information here.
http://expected-value.blogspot.de/2013/09/a-field-experiment-in-solo-wormhole.html
All the best,
V
Solo and small gang PvP in nullsec, lowsec and w-space: http://expected-value.blogspot.de/ |
illy velo
Emergency and I
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Posted - 2013.11.25 22:46:00 -
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Lot of good info here. I will re-hash and add my 12 cents.
Having a scout alt, preferably one with leadership skills for small passive boosts is preferable. This allows you to assess the situation so you can choose the best PVP ship to engage with. For instance, you can bring in a full DPS proteus directly into a pair of drakes running sites by warping to your scout alt.
Assuming you don't have a scout alt, I tend to leave the solo stuff to one of two situations. Situation 1 is sitting within 100km of a ship in a POS with a stealth bomber. "Look at" your target and follow them to the grav site or customs office. Gank and re-cloak. Situation two, bring a high DPS quick lock battleship to a hisec hole, a D845 off dscan of target POS works best. Jump in, drop a mobile warp bubble 10 k from the hole and head back. Wait for blind warp-ins. I use a quick lock, dual web vindicator and if I get in trouble with what shows up, I jump out.
With the bomber, I use two warp scramblers and all torps, no bombs. Most haulers won't be stabbed well enough to get away and you are out of point range with bombs, so skip them.
Personally I don't like to solo hunt in T3's in wormholes unless I have a complete grasp of the situation. That ship you jump just might have a ton of backup. In fact, it usually does.
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Ahost Gceo
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
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Posted - 2013.11.26 00:29:00 -
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Most people who hunt with T3s do so because that's what everyone else flies, or the T3 they are using is able to tank both the target and sleepers that may engage you.
Sitting on a wh with a Vindi with your back to highsec is going to net you so few kills it would not be worth spending the money on it. I personally would make it my mission to get a small cloaky T3 gang to bump you off the hole and then warp in support to finish you off if I ever saw you doing that.
Stealth bomber again is so limited in targets that they aren't worth it, particularly for solo work. Obstergo does happen to have a one Laserzpewpew who uses a probing bomber to tackle targets then shreds them with an Ishtar, if that sounds like your cup of tea, talk to him, otherwise don't use a SB.
And if you are doing anything in wormholes you better have a 100% grasp on your situation at all times or you are doing it wrong.
Null and low is ok for derping around because you have static gates and local list but you will find no such cushion if someone decides to make you their target in a wormhole and you don't know it because you don't have the lay of the land. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:04:00 -
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Stealth bombers are fine for solo work in wormholes. As others have mentioned your targets will mostly be limited to industrials. SB tank is paperthin so if it shoots back its probably not a good target. Since you won't be using bombs anyway you can fit a probe launcher and do all your own scanning; no friend or alt required. As for tactics, this is what I would suggest :
1. Scan in kspace for wh; K126s are easy to find and indicate recent activity. 2. Enter wh and immediately bookmark the exit; always bm both sides of any wh you enter. 3. Move away from hole the cloak up. 4. Dscan around system looking for targets; you probably won't find any. 5. Launch probes and scan for other whs; don't forget to recloak. 6. Keep dscaning while probing. 7. Look for and bm any active towers you find while continuing to probe. 8. Dscan some more. 9. Lookup the hole on wormhol.es and see when the residents are active; it won't be while you are on. 10. Bm all the other whs you found while probing. 11. Jump into a wh you found; dumscovery scanner will have warned everyone inside that you are there. 12. Surprisingly some will ignore the new signature from the dumbscovery scanner, these are called victims. 13. Goto 3. Only proceed to 14 if you've found a target not in a POS and you have dscanned some more.
14. So you've found an indy eh? Dscan. 15. If cautious in nature, look up the victims killboard. If it shows kills from his indy ship (esp procurer or badger) along with one or more T3s, you're going to have a bad time. 16. Have you dscanned lately? I'll wait. 17. If you are ready to attack, start orbiting your target. Fly casual, but don't act like you're trying to fly casual. 18. Take a deep breath and decloak. You are probably going to die now, so if its not too late to reconsider, don't decloak. 19. If you didn't follow my advice then target the victim. While you wait for lock, hit your afterburner. If you fit a mwd on your bomber then you should plan on buying bombers by the dozen. 20. Point and torps. Kill kill kill. Oh and dscan...that interceptor you suddenly see is the harbinger of your doom. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:14:00 -
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Go and talk to this guy about solo WH hunting in an SB.
See him somewhat regularly in our systems. Pretty much all he does.
But seriously, plenty of fun to be had in WHs with a solo SB. Dscan and probes. You'll do fine if you're selective with targets. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) CEO Nighthawk Exploration | Just an innocent explorer passing through-á pâä OOPE Pinup Calender applications |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
360
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Posted - 2013.11.26 04:10:00 -
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[Purifier, Sauro] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I
Warp Disruptor II Medium Shield Extender II 1MN Afterburner II
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Hunt targets that will die quickly or won't likely be stabbed / have drones. Do not engage frigates, especially ventures, destroyers, or procurors. You can hunt site-runners if you hit them when dps is highest, might just catch them. There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
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Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
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Posted - 2013.11.26 10:40:00 -
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U should ask THIS guy |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:31:00 -
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A good resource for learning how to find and stalk targets is Penny Ibramovic's blog: http://www.tigerears.org/. He has a very easy-to-read writing style and usually takes extra time to explain things so the person new to his blog and to W-space in general can pick up tips while still remaining a good read for the experienced.
Practice using d-scan and combat probes. You can do this in Hisec by just looking for mission runners, scanning them down, and warping to their mission's acceleration gate. Then look for the next mission runner, and try to improve your speed. You have to be comfortable with the process first before you can really do it stealthily.
And finally, nothing helps more than actually doing it. Get in a cheap clone, and jump in with a bomber. They're cheap, so it won't set you back much to lose a dozen or so. The hands-on experience you'll get, combined with the other resources, will make all the difference. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
362
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:10:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Go and talk to this guy about solo WH hunting in an SB. See him somewhat regularly in our systems. Pretty much all he does. But seriously, plenty of fun to be had in WHs with a solo SB. Dscan and probes. You'll do fine if you're selective with targets.
Thats the guy I couldn't remember the name of - I've seen people deploy entire logi backed fleets just to try and kill him before heh.
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
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Posted - 2013.11.26 19:56:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Go and talk to this guy about solo WH hunting in an SB. See him somewhat regularly in our systems. Pretty much all he does. But seriously, plenty of fun to be had in WHs with a solo SB. Dscan and probes. You'll do fine if you're selective with targets. Thats the guy I couldn't remember the name of - I've seen people deploy entire logi backed fleets just to try and kill him before heh. Ha
Honestly if you're into solo-SB fun then this guy's killboard is inspirational lol Some really "Wtf" kills in there. Would love to pick his brain someday.
I first met him a couple years ago in a C1, seems he mostly lurks systems with a static HS. I made the mistake of doing a bomb run on him with an alt. I failed, and he stuck around all day until he finally killed my alt in a SB 1v1. Ever since then I've seen him occasionally stick his head into systems with a HS exit, always solo. I don't mess with him anymore though Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) CEO Nighthawk Exploration | Just an innocent explorer passing through-á pâä OOPE Pinup Calender applications |
Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
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Posted - 2013.11.26 22:36:00 -
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Alot of good info on here!
I see alot of disruptor + AB fits, but how do you keep point on something with MWD? as you'll only be going around 750-800m/s? |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
1456
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Posted - 2013.11.27 02:30:00 -
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Jonas Staal wrote:Alot of good info on here!
I see alot of disruptor + AB fits, but how do you keep point on something with MWD? as you'll only be going around 750-800m/s? It's a compromise I guess. Using an AB on your bomber helps free up grid. Useful if you're fitting a bomb-launcher for instance.
With an SB you don't really need to worry so much about keeping range for an extended engagement, you're really trying to apply big DPS volleys in hope of ganking your target as quick as possible and gtfo.
The only issue I've found when using AB is trying to pull range and escape from a MWD opponent. I recently lost an AB fitted SB to a Proteus with MWD and 40km point. MWD will save you in such situations, however it also makes the Sig of your paper-thin bomber even worse, so may be your downfall in other situations.
Personally I use AB for my bomb launcher SBs, and MWD for my probe fitted SBs. Play around and find what works for you, your fit and your purpose I guess. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) CEO Nighthawk Exploration | Just an innocent explorer passing through-á pâä OOPE Pinup Calender applications |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2013.11.27 04:57:00 -
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whatever you do, don't engage mwd{whom you thought were af} harpy's in ur af bomber. |
Druken Sailor
Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:28:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:Probe wh's from hs close to trade hubs. Best thing is to have a prober alt and use your main to kill what your prober finds. Its also good practice to go another wh deep depending on activity you find. The more you do it the faster you get and know what to look for. The best advice? Just go out and do it. couldn't agree anymore :) +! |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland
398
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Posted - 2013.12.06 19:51:00 -
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MSE+MWD bomber works fairly well. No bombs. Core probe launcher in your spare high.
But to be honest, you probs don't need the MWD in w-space, and an AB will help keep you alive.
If you have really exceptional fitting skills or implants, it is possible to fit a 10MN AB on all but the Nemesis and still have a useful fit.
Your best friend is your cloak. Only uncloak when absolutely necessary. Fly with all brackets on so you don't get decloaked by that random corpse, can, or wreck. Be patient. Warp around as needed to get close to your prey. There's nothing more frustrating than slow-boating in from 50-60km only to have the guy you're hunting warp out 5km beyond long point range.
Choose your targets wisely. Industrials and mining barges make easy targets. T3s do not. Domis generally do not. Drakes can be soloed if they are fully engaged by rats. Marauders are pretty much immune to bombers now unless they are soloing a C5 combat site. The former Tier 3 BCs are pretty squishy and have trouble hitting small ships like a bomber.
Above all, don't get discouraged. You will die a lot at first. But bombers are fairly cheap. Free Ripley Weaver! |
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