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Biffa Buttocks
Amarr Abh Empire Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.02.06 15:40:00 -
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As a fairly new player to Eve I'm finding people's reactions to the twists and turns of Bob/IT and Goons confusing. On the one hand with Bob/IT everyone came out in sympathy (even it's enemies) when it hit hard times but now with Goons hitting the dirt everyone is simply laughing and gloating about it.
My (maybe naive) conclusion is the resilience of a large alliance isn't in it's size, strength or even the friendships between it's members, it has to be it's image, i.e. how it behaves and how it is percieved by the rest of the community, it's 'brand image' if you like, am I wrong?
Btw, I'm making no judgements about IT or Goons, I've honestly had little experience of either...
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Jondar Valador
Caldari Intergalactic Crossing Core Factor
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Posted - 2010.02.06 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jondar Valador on 06/02/2010 15:50:30 I think everyone hates Goons because they can spell. I know I do.
e: spellign
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Underlaget
Caldari Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.02.06 15:52:00 -
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IT/BOB = Respectable people on forums and in-game. GOONS = Forum trolls.
Guess who I rooted for? :)
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.02.06 15:58:00 -
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Assuming this isn't a troll, and you genuinely are a newbie player looking for some background, let me give you a quick dirty runthrough:
BoB used to be THE big alliance in eve, everyone knew them, everyone either respected,hated,feared them. Goonswarm got ****d by BoB when they were little, got butthurt. Goonswarm got bigger, started talking trash here on CAOD. Goonswarm disbanded BoB, goons laughing, goon allies laughing, rest of eve laughing (not a lot of people really liked BoB anyway), some ppl sympathetic and/or *****y about 'meta-gaming' etc. BoB returns as kenzoku, returns as IT. Goonswarm now holds former bob space, carebearing it up, continueing their trashtalk on CAOD. Goonswarm leadership fails at paying bills over holidays, goon sov drops in a lot of systems. By now everyone hates goons anyway so everyone (incl. and esp. IT) decides to grab Delve while it's up for grabs. Goon director supposed to fuel **** returns from holiday, founds **** hit the fan, emorages and kicks all corps. Nobody pities goons.
Basically the key differences between BoB/IT's failcascade is that BoB's was enemy induced, and Goonswarm's (the ones responsible for the former's inducement) was by their own hands (or lack thereof), which is why it is theoretically not plausible to be able to have any sympathy whatsoever for them.
All said and done though,
can't we all just be friends? __________________________________________________
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Toffles
Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.06 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Underlaget IT/BOB = Respectable people on forums and in-game. GOONS = Forum trolls.
Guess who I rooted for? :)
WAS IT US?
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Mystic Turtle
Minmatar Trigrams Edge
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Posted - 2010.02.06 16:21:00 -
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Bob/IT - Finfleet Goons - Battlestars
If you were gay who would you want to be part of?,..
hth,..
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lylaal
Caldari Onbekend.
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Posted - 2010.02.06 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: Underlaget IT/BOB = Respectable people on forums and in-game. GOONS = Forum trolls.
Guess who I rooted for? :)
WAS IT US?
how could he have rooted for your alliance as its only a few days old
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titanstory
Amarr Section XIII Sect1on XIII
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Posted - 2010.02.06 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: titanstory on 06/02/2010 18:00:06 Edited by: titanstory on 06/02/2010 17:57:46 how many thread about it and goon will you post on caod ? (its not only for you btw)
you know what about hem ? nothing so...
stop poasting if you dont know anything ty !
Originally by: Underlaget IT/BOB = Respectable people on forums and in-game. GOONS = Forum trolls.
Guess who I rooted for? :)
another it/bob alt...
Originally by: Jondar Valador Edited by: Jondar Valador on 06/02/2010 15:50:30 I think everyone hates Goons because they can spell. I know I do.
e: spellign
you know goon ? they'r good alliTs anyway and i love them. goons forever
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Ganymede21
Gallente The Fallen Angels Unit Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2010.02.06 17:58:00 -
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BoB played the game as they should Goons played the forums.
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Mystic Turtle
Minmatar Trigrams Edge
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Posted - 2010.02.06 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: titanstory Edited by: titanstory on 06/02/2010 17:57:46 how many thread about it and goon will you post on caod ? (its not only for you btw)
you know what about hem ? nothing so...
stop poasting if you dont know anything ty !
Originally by: Underlaget IT/BOB = Respectable people on forums and in-game. GOONS = Forum trolls.
Guess who I rooted for? :)
another it/bob alt...
Sect1on XIII, seriously you got to be kidding me so glad you guys died in the purge last month,..
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titanstory
Amarr Section XIII Sect1on XIII
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Posted - 2010.02.06 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mystic Turtle
Sect1on XIII, seriously you got to be kidding me so glad you guys died in the purge last month,..
hey who are you ? did you know us ? well so you know what to do :)
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Massive Dragon
Gallente NoobFleet G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2010.02.06 18:03:00 -
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i think a far more interesting difference is the responce on the forums (in common knowledge)
when bob was disbanded the forums movement was MASSIVE far far bigger than what we are seeing now for goonswarm disband.
secondly when bob was disbanded EVERYONE knew about it seemingly instantly. what we are seeing now is a much slower responce by the eve community, much larger alliances are seeing more members not knowing about goons disbanding (the obvious reason is that no one cares enough to talk about it or remind people about).
my conclusion: the end of bob was a big deal to the 0.0 scene. the end of goons was not as big a deal.
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Tector
Gallente GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.06 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ganymede21 BoB played the game as they should
Getting a dev to give you highly valuable items isn't playing the game as it's meant to be played there, hoss. Goons are awful, vicious creatures, but at least we're honest about it. The former members of BoB have been denying everything for the past three years.
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TexasFire
Caldari Texas Deep Space Lone Star Defense League
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Posted - 2010.02.06 18:25:00 -
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In the end game of it all this is pretty simple.
Many were envious of BoB's power and wanted to seem them beaten down.
Most players have found the Goons to be abnoxious little twerps and wanted to see them gone.
Goon wanted to ruin "You're" Game. In the end, so many wanted to kill goons. They killed themselves. They are now only relevant in the fact. They ruined the game for those that wanted to kill them.
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Darek Castigatus
Caldari Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.02.06 18:28:00 -
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IT/BOB/Kenzoku - Snotty Arrogant Tosswads who take things far too seriously Goonswarm - Uber annoying racist, mysoginistic forum trolls who at least sounded like they were having fun
regrettably my vote has to go to goons. Personally i think eve would be better off without the pair of them.
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VCBee 2fast2furious
Gallente GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.06 18:34:00 -
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The main difference is that Goons don't feel the need to switch to an alt when they troll on CAOD.
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TexasFire
Caldari Texas Deep Space Lone Star Defense League
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Posted - 2010.02.06 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: VCBee 2fast2furious The main difference is that Goons don't feel the need to switch to an alt when they troll on CAOD.
Remind me again..... An Alt is a usless toon to use for mundane tasks and is usually pretty disposable.
Is this not what a Goon is?
See Ma...... "I GET GOONS"
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Betty Boom
Caldari SPECTRE Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.02.06 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: VCBee 2fast2furious The main difference is that Goons don't feel the need to switch to an alt when they troll on CAOD.
I can name you a lot of alts of g**ns.
Only real special of G**ns are, that the try to **** off people with RL stuff. They have mental not the abilities to split game and real world. To get psyological help from professionals would help them more then playing computer games.
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Mudzahidin
Amarr GoonFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Mudzahidin on 06/02/2010 19:05:35
Originally by: Mystic Turtle
Sect1on XIII, seriously you got to be kidding me so glad you guys died in the purge last month,..
Why would you put a comma before suspension marks, Warm Bread?
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bobIT ambition
Minmatar Monkeytech
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:10:00 -
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BOB/IT - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as Sys K, Linguini Romania, BLAST, Aternus, -A-, AAA Citizens, UK etc etc. Took space.
Goons - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as ZAF, KIA, PL, NC. Took space.
I fail to see much difference, maybe differing degrees of terribleness.
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Killljoy
Gallente Gatehoppers Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:12:00 -
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bob/it= evil goons= *******s
sums it up
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Mystic Turtle
Minmatar Trigrams Edge
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: bobIT ambition BOB/IT - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as Sys K, Linguini Romania, BLAST, Aternus, -A-, AAA Citizens, UK etc etc. Took space.
Goons - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as ZAF, KIA, PL, NC. Took space.
I fail to see much difference, maybe differing degrees of terribleness.
Compare a Goon op with an IT op then you will see a MAJOR difference,..
Its like when you are an IT op you know you are in safe hands, when you are in a Goon op you are wondering why Plague Black sounds so emo,..
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Mudzahidin
Amarr GoonFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mudzahidin on 06/02/2010 19:17:49
Originally by: Ganymede21 BoB played the game as they should Goons played the forums.
Wow, Rroma wisdom first hand
edit: hth,..
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bobIT ambition
Minmatar Monkeytech
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mystic Turtle
Its like when you are an IT op you know you are in safe hands, when you are in a Goon op you are wondering why Plague Black sounds so emo,..
I'd be more inclined to believe you if BOB/IT weren't known eve wide for their propensity for, whoops, losing their cap fleet again and again and again, normally shortly after posting on CAOD by Molle about how uber they are.
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titanstory
Amarr Section XIII Sect1on XIII
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mystic Turtle
Originally by: bobIT ambition BOB/IT - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as Sys K, Linguini Romania, BLAST, Aternus, -A-, AAA Citizens, UK etc etc. Took space.
Goons - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as ZAF, KIA, PL, NC. Took space.
I fail to see much difference, maybe differing degrees of terribleness.
Compare a Goon op with an IT op then you will see a MAJOR difference,..
Its like when you are an IT op you know you are in safe hands, when you are in a Goon op you are wondering why Plague Black sounds so emo,..
IT op : kill and try to never loose ship goon op : loosing ship is fun, and newbs op are very hilarous..
i vote for goon op, sorry
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Killer Gandry
Caldari TerraNovae Amici Noctis
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:59:00 -
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Saw the rise and demise of BoB and didn't care. Saw the rise and demise of Goons and didn't care.
Simply because ****s who need to metagame to actually achieve anything ingame are all the same, just that some call themselves BoB and others Goons.
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Mystic Turtle
Minmatar Trigrams Edge
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Posted - 2010.02.06 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: titanstory
Originally by: Mystic Turtle
Originally by: bobIT ambition BOB/IT - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as Sys K, Linguini Romania, BLAST, Aternus, -A-, AAA Citizens, UK etc etc. Took space.
Goons - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as ZAF, KIA, PL, NC. Took space.
I fail to see much difference, maybe differing degrees of terribleness.
Compare a Goon op with an IT op then you will see a MAJOR difference,..
Its like when you are an IT op you know you are in safe hands, when you are in a Goon op you are wondering why Plague Black sounds so emo,..
IT op : kill and try to never loose ship goon op : loosing ship is fun, and newbs op are very hilarous..
i vote for goon op, sorry
Its better if you do it from an alt that way it may count, agreeing with goons from a reject TCF corp isnt all that shocking,..
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Hanabi Kazan
Gallente GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.02.06 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: Hanabi Kazan on 06/02/2010 20:04:59
Originally by: Mystic Turtle
Compare a Goon op with an IT op then you will see a MAJOR difference,..
Its like when you are an IT op you know you are in safe hands, when you are in a Goon op you are wondering why Plague Black sounds so emo,..
sorry dude, were pretty laid back, so pretentious *******s in our gangs don't usually have much fun.
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Brobuck
Caldari ElitistOps
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Posted - 2010.02.06 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Hanabi Kazan
sorry dude, were pretty laid back, so pretentious *******s in our gangs don't usually have much fun.
I enjoy them.
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Mystic Turtle
Minmatar Trigrams Edge
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Posted - 2010.02.06 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hanabi Kazan Edited by: Hanabi Kazan on 06/02/2010 20:04:59
Originally by: Mystic Turtle
Compare a Goon op with an IT op then you will see a MAJOR difference,..
Its like when you are an IT op you know you are in safe hands, when you are in a Goon op you are wondering why Plague Black sounds so emo,..
sorry dude, were pretty laid back, so pretentious *******s in our gangs don't usually have much fun.
Yeah well I have been in both fleets and dont make it sound like you have all the fun, just because people dont spam your alarm clock ops on CAOD doesnt mean they dont happen, I guess im a fan of things being organised rather than scattered and ****ed up,..
Serious and fun doesnt matter in this game anymore, thanks to Goons those words officially lost all meaning, but for what its worth I actually dont mind alot of Goons sadly its the generic puppets that annoy me and even Goons, IT on the other hand well I am yet to find something I dislike,..
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