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Mashashige
Minmatar First Blood Inc. Arkai Confederation
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Posted - 2009.02.15 12:01:00 -
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Shaktu my friend, I am sorry to hear that you got to meet grievers on the very first day you got your new ship, but there are several things about eve you must understand:
- 99% of the interaction you'll have are gonna be with PCs, who are run by real, LIVING players. As such, like in all societies around the globe, some are great people you will befriend, and others are *******s you would hate; But this is the true beauty of this MMO vs others.
- I'm gonna list several things you should be aware of:
- Always used Secure containers when you mine, saves you from can flippers. If you somehow do get flipped, do not engage unless you have some big,bad pvp ship around. Its usually much better to run - all you lose is time.
- Know that if you go to 0.4 or under sec systems, you will prob. die! dont do it until you have more skills and a couple of friends who can protect you.
- DO NOT, under any circumstances give money to anybody without getting anything concrete in return - especially stuff like corp memberships
- If you do decided to stop being a carebearing ***** (sorry ) be aware that in PVPing you WILL lost ships, and LOTS of them - but its only isk, so dont ***** about it - just think of the times you'll get your payback, or even teach new players the ways of the world by blowing them the **** up
- And lastly, the most important rule of eve - NEVER TRUST GOONSWARM! they will scam you so badly you'd be likely to throw your computer out the window due to uncontrollbe rage!
hope this helps a bit, Mash =======================================
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Sanka Cofie
Amarr Fractured Core
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Posted - 2009.02.15 12:31:00 -
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FRAPS or it didn't happen. ~-~-~-~-~ -[WillChat4ISK]- I can be the handsome Amarr space captain. You can be the helpless Minmatar slave girl. |
Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.15 12:38:00 -
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In space, no one can hear you whinge about how unfair life is. Sadly on the forums it's different.
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steave435
Caldari SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.02.15 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Normin Bates
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Normin Bates Hopefully you have learned to NEVER pay a ransom.
Worst advice ever.
You don't know how many I've killed that lost far more than I asked for in ransom. It's idiotic. Either way, if they want to throw ISK away, at least I get a kill mail.
You're right. Pay the ransom and still get your ship blown up. That's much better advice.
Most serious pirate corps will honour them, since if they don't, they'll end up with threads here about how they don't honour ransoms, which means noone will pay in the future, while if the ransom is honoured, the person paying will tell his friends and corp/alliance mates about it, making the chance that they'll pay if they get caught alot higher. I still rccomend to never take the first step though, pirates that intend to honour ransoms will ask for them, other people will just see it as a chance for extra money since they usually don't ransom anyway.
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon In space, no one can hear you whinge about how unfair life is.
That's not true, there's always local
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon In space, no one can hear you whinge about how unfair life is. Sadly on the forums it's different.
What's up with the "whinge" btw. It started pop up some weeks ago, thought some kid spelt it wrong and now it's like a plague, popping up everywhere.
Someone nerfed whining?
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.02.15 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon In space, no one can hear you whinge about how unfair life is. Sadly on the forums it's different.
What's up with the "whinge" btw. It started pop up some weeks ago, thought some kid spelt it wrong and now it's like a plague, popping up everywhere.
Someone nerfed whining?
It is a special word that cannot be googled, and it's meaning can only be discovered by asking on a forum.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Misanth on 15/02/2009 14:30:40
Originally by: Zaqar It is a special word that cannot be googled, and it's meaning can only be discovered by asking on a forum.
Special word for special kids, huh?
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Lea Re
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lea Re on 15/02/2009 14:45:48 oh... to the piwate who so bravely ransomed and subsequently killed a might industrial
especially for you
You Are a Tru Pirate
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FreddyCheeseman
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Posted - 2009.02.15 15:23:00 -
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Is destroying a ship after the guy pays your required ransom reportable? I'm probably wrong, not sure if its CCP's standing or just a point of honor amongst the more professional pirates out there. Either way, I was pretty sure it's generally not the done thing. Train some pewpew and find the guy Minings boring anyway.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Horsemen of Apocalypse
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Posted - 2009.02.15 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat Drop me a line in game, i can probably suggest a few systems where you wont be hassled and that have a thriving industrial character population; people tend to stick together and watch each others backs in such places-
Your mistake was in playing EVE like it was a singleplayer game
basically this OP, eve is a multiplayer game, w/out multiplayer, your going to get like 2% of what the game has to offer, i mean granted your only 2weeks(?) old and probably would have found a corp anyway, but you do need one
second, amarr space (yes even high sec) is extremely empty, so is amarr low sec, i cant count how many systems ive passed through in a row where there was absolutely no-one (this is low sec mind you) so hell, you find a nice quiet little low sec pocket you canrake in the good ores
oh, and yeah, try having someone keep your pod warp disrupted and webified and them just holding you there, waiting for you to self destruct your own capsule
ive done it, it is very amusing
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: FOl2TY8
I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence.
Yeah, I use that excuse too.
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Gin G
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.15 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lea Re Edited by: Lea Re on 15/02/2009 04:40:42
Originally by: Psiri This is also what makes EVE so great.
And shows how pathetic people can be at the same time. Not that I condone them. I just feel sorry for them as they have to boost their egos by popping a noob.
Arr the old they pop noob for there egos ploy
did you ever think they are teaching them a lesson they wont forget take a look at the OP i doubt they will ever jet mine again so they will never get there can flipped again so lesson learned.
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Lea Re
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gin G
Arr the old they pop noob for there egos ploy
did you ever think they are teaching them a lesson they wont forget take a look at the OP i doubt they will ever jet mine again so they will never get there can flipped again so lesson learned.
Yeah, like all of those so called 'pirates' are filled with altruism and all they want to is spread the knowledge among the unexperienced ones... C'mon, I'm not talking about the consequences, some good will come out of it for sure. But the motives... ahh... that's a completely different story. Sociopaths, people with inferiorioty complex issues? Perhaps something else... Whatever it is, it's definitely manifested in a pathetic way.
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.15 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Archadam Option 4: Begin self destruct, laugh at pirates, and at last few sec, eject and warp off. GG.
You, sir, resemble former war targets of mine. If I am unable to kill your ship in two minutes it was not meant to be. And by the time you initiate, your probably broken anyway. And ejecting? Do you know how many free ships we get this way? Rigged and faction fit raven did it last week, and we laughed all the way to the bank. No...your best off just not paying and dying. Select a celestial object and get your pod out. Lick your wounds and start off tomorrow differently.
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Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
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Posted - 2009.02.15 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth Edited by: Misanth on 15/02/2009 14:30:40
Originally by: Zaqar It is a special word that cannot be googled, and it's meaning can only be discovered by asking on a forum.
Special word for special kids, huh?
Kinda like whinging?
Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.15 18:50:00 -
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http://www.answers.com/topic/whinge
intr.v. Chiefly British., whinged, whing+ing, whing+es. To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.
[Dialectal alteration of Middle English whinsen, from Old English hwinsian.]
whinger whing'er n. whingingly whing'ing+ly adv.
oooh yeahhh middle english *****es
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon http://www.answers.com/topic/whinge
intr.v. Chiefly British., whinged, whing+ing, whing+es. To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.
[Dialectal alteration of Middle English whinsen, from Old English hwinsian.]
whinger whing'er n. whingingly whing'ing+ly adv.
oooh yeahhh middle english *****es
Ugh that explains it all.. noone speak english worse than the british!
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Shaktu
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Posted - 2009.02.15 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: oodin Edited by: oodin on 15/02/2009 02:48:47 your mining in a badger AND using jetcans??? quote]
No, mining in my bantam. In my OP I mentioned I returned in my badger and the guy was still circling the can.
To everyone who has responded, thank you. I will be contacting some of you ingame under a different name (I have abandoned the Shaktu toon).
Fortunately, I had just enough ore left at the base to start getting myself back up to speed.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.15 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shaktu D: Canflipper violenced my internet spaceship
Yes, this is EVE. Many players would not have done what he did, but you should have expected that some would. It's good when something like this happens to a newbie. It tells them whether they should just quit now rather than spending time getting established into the game before /ragequitting. You handled your first ship loss far better than a lot of people, however.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shaktu Hey, I know piracy and PvP is a huge part of this game ... but try to have even a little conscience about it when abusing the noobs. Like me.
After grind mining for 2 weeks during my trial account, I finally paid for my first month yesterday, trained up Caldari Industry and bought a Badger.
So my shiny new badger is 45 minutes old and I'm merrily jetcanning for the first time as I see a ship approaching. I've read that noobs should stick to secure areas, so I'm in .9 space. I assume I'm safe -- I don't really know much about the game yet.
Some guy approaches, loots my can and tells me that for $400k he'll give it back. I'm a little ****ed and a little scared, I've never had someone grief me before just for fun (I don't have much PvP experience).
Although I don't have much, I give this guy $400k and take back my ore. This, of course, makes me attackable. I fly off and retrieve my badger to empty the can, I just wanna call it a night and cut my losses.
But the jackass is there, circling the can, waiting for me to play into his hands. I can't believe a fellow player would be this harsh to a noob (I told him it was my first paid day), but he then tells me that unless I give him another $400k, he will destroy my one-hour old ship. He's got me trapped by some kinda weapon, my ship can't move.
So I give him everything I have left, telling him I don't have another $400k. He informs me that this is tough luck for me, destroys my ship and ore.
I'm crushed. I sit there, numbed at the fact that another player would be so belligerent to a day one noob. I contact him to inform him that I'm so upset, I'm thinking of quitting the game. His response is "OH GOD AWESOME".
I exit the game and sit there staring at the screen for 30 minutes. I nearly delete the Eve client twice, but stop myself.
Yeah, I was stupid and played into his hands at every step. Yeah, piracy and PvP are a big part of the game.
But when you encounter a day one noob in .9 space puttering along in his crappy T1 ship, is it really necessary to inflict the maximum amount of punishment on the guy? If I had lost the original $400k and 45 minutes of ore, that woulda taught me my lesson and I would have perhaps been a little exhilirated by the whole experience.
But to completely destroy such a noob, torturing him every step of the way (doing a countdown in the chat window to my ship's complete destruction, etc), and then express sheer, unadulterated joy at his utter misery is just sick. I can't imagine what kind of person would do such a thing to a complete stranger on a whim.
Anyway, I'm done whining. I wasn't looking for a carebear game but neither was I expecting that my first and only interaction with another player would be so remorselessly vicious.
An older player spends a considerable part of his play session giving you an intensive lesson on the way eve works, charges you less than 800k for the effort (he could be making more doing other things, you know) and all you can do is complain?
Really, people as ungrateful as you... well I just hope you realise how you hurt his feelings. Obviously he was very upset when he replied to your mail. You probably spoiled his whole evening.
I hope you learn to socialise more appropriately in future.
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Martha Lightyear
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Posted - 2009.02.16 00:15:00 -
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Uh? You crying just for a badger? what you lost, 1million?
The real drama comes when you get into a player-owned mining corporation and half the universe wardecs on you easy guys (seriously, can a mining corporation survive on Eve?)
That means you will always need to watch local channel each minute searching for those red stars, sometimes you are forced to keep docked, or other "funny" situations.
This is EVE. There is no high-sec.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.02.16 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth Ugh that explains it all.. noone speak english worse than the british!
Other than the colonials. AMIRITE :) --------------------------------------------
Yes, my name is Pompous. Yes, this has been designed for maximum deliberate effect. Well done for pointing that out. Well done you. |
Alia Xi
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.16 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lea Re
You Are a Tru Pirate
Hey, that's pretty catchy
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.16 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 16/02/2009 02:14:01
Originally by: Martha Lightyear Uh? You crying just for a badger? what you lost, 1million?
The real drama comes when you get into a player-owned mining corporation and half the universe wardecs on you easy guys (seriously, can a mining corporation survive on Eve?)
That means you will always need to watch local channel each minute searching for those red stars, sometimes you are forced to keep docked, or other "funny" situations.
This is EVE. There is no high-sec.
NPC corps. Stop perpetrating the myth that highsec isn't safe. The only way to cause real damage to a group of miners is to suicide gank them, which is difficult in anything but a 0.5/0.6 and expensive for the perpetrators, besides being easily defended against by said miners.
Being aware of your surroundings isn't asking much of people for safety in highsec, that highsec miners continue to fall victim to can-flippers and gankers and wardecs is down to them (the miners); a meaner person would just say they are stupid?
EDIT: YES I GUESS I AM SAYING THAT ONLY THE IDIOTS GET CAUGHT OUT, NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT HUH? WELL?
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Alia Xi
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.16 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Martha Lightyear Uh? You crying just for a badger? what you lost, 1million?
Quite a lot for a noob....
Originally by: Martha Lightyear
The real drama comes when you get into a player-owned mining corporation and half the universe wardecs on you easy guys (seriously, can a mining corporation survive on Eve?)
You should hope they would, and yeah, if they have enough iskies to hire mercs so much the better. Although it's funnier when they rally and give the WT's a good slapping
Originally by: Martha Lightyear
That means you will always need to watch local channel each minute searching for those red stars, sometimes you are forced to keep docked, or other "funny" situations.
Refer to previous. Funny situations entail karaoke or Jack Dee.
Originally by: Martha Lightyear
This is EVE. There is no high-sec.
Last time I checked it was still there
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.16 02:33:00 -
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Haven't read this, but it sure looks like a lot of ideas for torturing noobs.. NOT a kublai alt. Honest! |
Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 06:21:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 16/02/2009 06:23:51 Hazard = risk + outrage. In this case the outrage is disproportionately high, inflating the presumed hazard, which you touch on initially by saying "risk perception". It's almost as if you understand that reality and perception often diverge. But then you continue...
Originally by: Jimer Lins
* 3- I pay the ransom, I get asploded.
Since #3 is so prevalent, smart players assume that if they're asked for ransom, it's just a way of trying to squeeze more ISK out of them before blowing them up anyway.
Prevalent? You read about every dishonored ransom on the forums, maybe 1-3 a week. Whereas in reality, we honor a hundred or more ransoms per week. The fact is that most ransoms are probably honored.
A smart player would asses each ransom on an individual basis. Even if it is always a gamble, if someone is asking 20 mil for your rigged Drake, it may be worth taking the bet. That's smart. Stupid is having a rule to always say no despite the cost.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
Originally by: Misanth Ugh that explains it all.. noone speak english worse than the british!
Other than the colonials. AMIRITE :)
No use discussing with you.. I heard from a reliable source that you are right even when you're wrong.
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Neddy Fox
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.16 08:29:00 -
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If a pirate needs to flip cans in a 0.9 system, don't expect him to have any "honour" at all. It's borderline griefing.
Just pay attention to popups ! They're not for nothing, but I know too many people who just click the messages away without reading. Skill anchoring 1, buy 1-2 Giant Secure containers, and work from there.
Or, as stated : your hauler HAS cargo space ! Fill it up, dock in station, unload, and continue. No one can touch you that way, unless he suicides on you, and that will be more costly for him then for you.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus Edited by: Alowishus on 16/02/2009 06:23:51 Hazard = risk + outrage. In this case the outrage is disproportionately high, inflating the presumed hazard, which you touch on initially by saying "risk perception". It's almost as if you understand that reality and perception often diverge. But then you continue...
Originally by: Jimer Lins
* 3- I pay the ransom, I get asploded.
Since #3 is so prevalent, smart players assume that if they're asked for ransom, it's just a way of trying to squeeze more ISK out of them before blowing them up anyway.
Prevalent? You read about every dishonored ransom on the forums, maybe 1-3 a week. Whereas in reality, we honor a hundred or more ransoms per week. The fact is that most ransoms are probably honored.
A smart player would asses each ransom on an individual basis. Even if it is always a gamble, if someone is asking 20 mil for your rigged Drake, it may be worth taking the bet. That's smart. Stupid is having a rule to always say no despite the cost.
Not if you're not flying what you can't afford to lose. The smartest thing to do in these situations is to minimize your losses- both potential and actual. The potential loss of the ransom, plus the actual loss of the ship, is a greater risk than the loss of the ship alone.
And relying on anecdotes from C&P to argue how frequently ransoms are honored is dubious at best.
I'd pay a ransom to someone in Veto. or some other corp I was familiar with and knew to be trustworthy. But in general, paying a ransom is a loser's bet.
My opinion, you're free to disagree, of course.
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