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Asmodeaus
Gallente APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2009.02.11 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Southern Suzy
Originally by: Flesh Eater 1. I live in Australia, ESRB from the USA is not even slightly relevant to me.
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence. Obviously there aren't people sitting there 24/7 censoring our gameplay/chats LIVE.
3. What is next, putting this message on all web-sites "This site is not rated by <insert various ultra-conservative weirdo groups>"? Or telephones with stickers "Conversations on this device are not rated"
Theres a few reasons for this,
most amricans are dumber than rocks so they dont understand that a game cannot control what players inside tell eachother.
America has no common sence, so this message protects them from stupid lawsuits that make no sense and go about insane money claims
Man, I hate those "amricans" and their lack of 'sence'. What they should really do is make intelligent spelling a major export, so they can understand posts like this one.
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Asestorian
Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.11 15:40:00 -
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CCP have to put this message in so that they can sell a boxed version of the game. They also don't have regional clients (well, I suppose they sort of do) so everyone gets the same message. It's hardly in the way.
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Destiny Balls
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.11 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 11/02/2009 15:47:26 It has nothing to do with legalities or angry parents. One of the biggest myths of the American legal system is that it is rampant with stupid lawsuits and angry parents.
It has everything to do with companies like Walmart, Target, Bestbuy, etc. that simply go by the rating on the product when deciding whether it should go on the shelf. Basically it costs less for them to do it this way, rather then researching every item. There are some legal issues that cause this situation (ie: no selling **** to children ) but that is the store's legal issue, not CCP's.
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Th0rG0d
Caldari Pilots From Honour
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Posted - 2009.02.11 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula One of the biggest myths of the American legal system is that it is rampant with stupid lawsuits and angry parents.
I may be no lawyer, but I lmao when I read this! Tell that to McDonalds and educators!!
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Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.11 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ralitge boyter on 11/02/2009 16:01:26
Originally by: Navtiqes
Originally by: Flesh Eater Thing is, why have the ESRB thing when we have the freakshow called the "Office of Film and Literature Classification".
Actually there are a lot of these freakshows around: # Europe (excluding Germany) - Pan European Game Information # Finland - Finnish Board of Film Classification # Germany - Voluntary Monitoring Organisation of Entertainment Software # Japan - Computer Entertainment Rating Organization # New Zealand - Office of Film and Literature Classification # United Kingdom - British Board of Film Classification
I thought Eve was an international game? Please CCP, give us seperate logo for each one on the login/news screen!
As far as I know, EVE Online would have to get ratings from all of those to be allowed on shelves in their respective countries. ESRB means nothing outside of the States.
This should tell you something about the American leagal system... yes it is not functioning well if a company is forced to place a disclaimer on their product to inform people that they do not have control over the interactions between individuals engaged in conversation that happens to have been made possible by their product. All these other rating clubs (as far as I know) assume that a person has a brain and is able to figure out them selfs that a conversation between individuals cannot be controled by a company making this conversation possible, nor should it be.
But in a country where even live TV is delayed by a few seconds so potentially harmfull images can be sensored and potentially harmfull words can be filtered I guess there is no other way but to put something like that on you product.
Now if we only ban anyone dumb enough to need these kinds of warnings from entering any other country in the world we could drop this, but that could be quite difficult seeing as their last leader needed a lot more then just a warning like that before entering the internets. ------------------------------------------- Should you disagree with me, well I guess that is because I disagree with you. If you have a problem with that please feel free not to tell me. |
Element 22
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.11 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Southern Suzy Edited by: Southern Suzy on 11/02/2009 15:41:53
Originally by: Flesh Eater 1. I live in Australia, ESRB from the USA is not even slightly relevant to me.
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence. Obviously there aren't people sitting there 24/7 censoring our gameplay/chats LIVE.
3. What is next, putting this message on all web-sites "This site is not rated by <insert various ultra-conservative weirdo groups>"? Or telephones with stickers "Conversations on this device are not rated"
Theres a few reasons for this,
most americans are dumber than rocks so they dont understand that a game cannot control what players inside tell eachother.
America has no common sence, so this message protects them from stupid lawsuits that make no sense and go about insane money claims
Uh huh. America bashing seems to be something people love to be doing. Espcially the so called 'enlightened' europeans. Honestly, go die in a fire. America upheld more human rights before bush and now will uphold them once again now. America is not dumber then the rest of the world, we just broadcast more then other countires and are a popular target.
Do we have insane lawsuits? Yes, we have some. But what isn't said is that most of those are either thrown out or settled because it's cheaper then paying the lawyers and this happens all over the world. And that mcdonalds lawsuit was because the java was so hot it caused 3rd degree burns when it fell on people because mcdonalds didn't want to pay for making more. Do you know how hot liquids need to be to cause 3rd degree burns? That's perfectly reasonable to sue over.
Sure the ESRB is crazy and that cutting off a female mammery gland is considered more acceptable then seeing one suckled, but let's not pretend that your laws and regulationas are too much better. "Extreme ****" bans anyone? "Hateful/derogatory speech about Islam Religon"?
Also I typed this out on my G1, sorry for any misspellings and such. Signatures are annoying...kinda like me. |
Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.11 16:21:00 -
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Rating...AH
Really funny. -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.11 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 11/02/2009 16:44:42
Originally by: T***G0d
Originally by: Khemul Zula One of the biggest myths of the American legal system is that it is rampant with stupid lawsuits and angry parents.
I may be no lawyer, but I lmao when I read this! Tell that to McDonalds and educators!!
Exactly my point.
Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants. A case that is commonly used as a case study in business law and engineering.
Most of what people hear about the "silly American legal system" is from the media reporting on a case which tends to range from misleading to flat out fabricated (ie: the RV on cruise control lawsuit that people like to cite).
I will admit there is an issue with for educators at the moment that stems from angry parents though. But that isn't so much an issue with the legal system as it is with politics in general.
edit: Awesome... *** is censored on the forums.
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
Riedle
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Posted - 2009.02.11 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Eater
Originally by: Inectus It's basically a CYA (cover your ass). They really don't care what you think about the warning, but all it takes is one up tight parent looking at the chat log and seeing **** and it's all over. By putting the disclaimer there it covers them from anything serious and also serves as an additional warning to potentially ignorant people.
Parents who are so stupid they need to be told this have basically failed natural selection and shouldn't have had kids in the first place.
I am offended by this notice, maybe they should CTA against that...
I am offended that you are so easily offended.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar pSyChOTIC CareBears BrightSpark Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.11 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Since **** is censored by the forums, that's p00p, i doubt they can do ANY more to alleviate the parental concerns of of the grown-up units.
Unless you know of any person who's had a kid who's offended by the word ****
*****! VAGINA!
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Riedle
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Posted - 2009.02.11 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Eater Thing is, why have the ESRB thing when we have the freakshow called the "Office of Film and Literature Classification".
Actually there are a lot of these freakshows around: # Europe (excluding Germany) - Pan European Game Information # Finland - Finnish Board of Film Classification # Germany - Voluntary Monitoring Organisation of Entertainment Software # Japan - Computer Entertainment Rating Organization # New Zealand - Office of Film and Literature Classification # United Kingdom - British Board of Film Classification
I thought Eve was an international game? Please CCP, give us seperate logo for each one on the login/news screen!
Answer, your country is insignificant to CCP. Deal with it.
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Tipz NexAstrum
Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:15:00 -
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Geez, 41 posts without anyone mentioning ATARI suprised me.
Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order in these forums.
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:21:00 -
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Guess what, you aren't on an Australian server and you aren't playing on an Australian client.
It's necessary in the U.S. Get over it.
If you don't want it, play a game entirely based in Australia. ----------------------------------------------------
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Guess what, you aren't on an Australian server and you aren't playing on an Australian client.
It's necessary in the U.S. Get over it.
If you don't want it, play a game entirely based in Australia.
CCP HQ: Rekyavik Servers: London.
Litigious idiocy imported from the US: Everywhere.
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KaarBaak
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:32:00 -
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The REAL ironic aspect of this thread is that it was started by an australian
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Kirgan
Caldari Pyrognome
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:42:00 -
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We will have these types of warnings as long as we have people that can look at an electric hairdryer warning that says "Attention do not use in shower" and say oh!
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat
Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Guess what, you aren't on an Australian server and you aren't playing on an Australian client.
It's necessary in the U.S. Get over it.
If you don't want it, play a game entirely based in Australia.
CCP HQ: Rekyavik Servers: London.
Litigious idiocy imported from the US: Everywhere.
/thread.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Element 22 Sure the ESRB is crazy and that cutting off a female mammery gland is considered more acceptable then seeing one suckled, but let's not pretend that your laws and regulationas are too much better. "Extreme ****" bans anyone? "Hateful/derogatory speech about Islam Religon"?
Also I typed this out on my G1, sorry for any misspellings and such.
errmmm.... what game is that in
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Grek Forto
THE IRIS United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:49:00 -
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PEGI > ESRB
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Flesh Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian CCP have to put this message in so that they can sell a boxed version of the game. They also don't have regional clients (well, I suppose they sort of do) so everyone gets the same message. It's hardly in the way.
Umm, so put the warning on the box in the USA if you suckers need it (!?), no need for the meaningless warning to be seen in game, outside of the USA.
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.02.12 01:05:00 -
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OP is troll. CCP are complying with a law. How does a notice at login affect you? It doesn't, you're just a whiny trollish idiot.
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.02.12 01:34:00 -
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That same disclaimer is needed in parts of the EU as well.
The ESRB will give a rating to games even if they don't like them... but the Australian and European countries will just not give them a rating... and the laws in effect mean they can not be sold there legally.
So in effect the reason for the disclaimer is the laws of more than just the US
(Don't believe me... consider this : Australia and a couple other nations have different versions of Fallout 3 ... and are going after e-bay because they are letting the locals buy the US version. )
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Thargat
Caldari North Star Networks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.12 01:36:00 -
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I honestly believe that the world needs to remove all the nerf and padding. And let Darwin sort out the rest.
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Julius Romanus
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.12 03:00:00 -
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I'd rather we just deal with the outside world using eve rules, instead of the other way around. Stupid parent complains? Dead. Stupid parents children? Sold as slaves. Lawyers can hide in canada(highsec). ------------------ For Medicinal Use Only. |
Flesh Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.12 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Akor Flandres OP is troll. CCP are complying with a law. How does a notice at login affect you? It doesn't, you're just a whiny trollish idiot.
While I admit under John Howard, it felt like we were becoming another State of the USA, but even so, how can ESRB (A body from the USA) be a legal requirement for me?
Anyway, this warning that "online interactions are not rated" is not even an ESRB rating. (e.g. E, EC, T, M, AO) So I don't see how it would even be required in the USA.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.12 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Eater
Originally by: Akor Flandres OP is troll. CCP are complying with a law. How does a notice at login affect you? It doesn't, you're just a whiny trollish idiot.
While I admit under John Howard, it felt like we were becoming another State of the USA, but even so, how can ESRB (A body from the USA) be a legal requirement for me?
Anyway, this warning that "online interactions are not rated" is not even an ESRB rating. (e.g. E, EC, T, M, AO) So I don't see how it would even be required in the USA.
It is part of the ESRB warning. It is basically referencing the actual rating and saying parts of the game do not apply. Same thing with movies with the "special features on this disc are not rated" message that pops up DVDs.
As for the rating not applying to people outside of the USA, that seems to just be the result of CCP only making one client (well two, but you get the point).
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
Junko Togawa
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Posted - 2009.02.12 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Inectus It's basically a CYA (cover your ass). They really don't care what you think about the warning, but all it takes is one up tight parent looking at the chat log and seeing **** and it's all over. By putting the disclaimer there it covers them from anything serious and also serves as an additional warning to potentially ignorant people.
Let's not forget people who are simply willing to pretend to be ignorant/morally outraged long enough to sue the pants off someone stupid enough not to throw in a 'Surprise *********' protection clause.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari Fist of Eargon
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Posted - 2009.02.12 05:45:00 -
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There's also a reason why there's a warning on a hair dryer "do not use while showering"...or something to that effect.
Then again, there's also many other things with idiot labels...like plastic bags. ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong." |
Jennifer Celeste
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Posted - 2009.02.12 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Eater 1. I live in Australia, ESRB from the USA is not even slightly relevant to me.
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence. Obviously there aren't people sitting there 24/7 censoring our gameplay/chats LIVE.
3. What is next, putting this message on all web-sites "This site is not rated by <insert various ultra-conservative weirdo groups>"? Or telephones with stickers "Conversations on this device are not rated"
its on every game you play online...but you're going to choose to whine about this one?
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Agent Unknown
Caldari Fist of Eargon
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Posted - 2009.02.12 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Celeste
Originally by: Flesh Eater 1. I live in Australia, ESRB from the USA is not even slightly relevant to me.
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence. Obviously there aren't people sitting there 24/7 censoring our gameplay/chats LIVE.
3. What is next, putting this message on all web-sites "This site is not rated by <insert various ultra-conservative weirdo groups>"? Or telephones with stickers "Conversations on this device are not rated"
its on every game you play online...but you're going to choose to whine about this one?
Duh, obvious troll is obvious ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong." |
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