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Tunak
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Tunak
That's brialliant! Rather than acctually trying to help by filling out bug reports you'll just come here, the wrong forum for reporting issues with test, and rabble rouse! *give two thumbs up to Akit*
Yes, because getting 2853 bugreports of "market shows all ranges as system", 754 bugreports of "my rigs are gone on SiSi" and 3987 bugreports of "neural remap doesn't work" WILL DO WONDERS FOR THE DEVELOPER AWARENESS OF THOSE BUGS, isn't it ? On the other hand, the few bugreports of SERIOUS game-affecting bugs that only a handful of players will encounter at this stage will be literally drowned in the sea of trivial bugreports. Trivial, as in "what the HELL do the guys in QA do anyway".
Yeah just assume someone else will do the work. That way all you have to do is *****.
It's still the wrong forumn for this regardless. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 09/02/2009 21:48:08
Originally by: Tunak Yeah just assume someone else will do the work. That way all you have to do is *****.
*gasp* I was just assuming people will do their jobs, what WAS I THINKING ?!?!
Originally by: CCP Hypnotic All joking aside. I can see how you get that impression, but please don't let that discourage you from bug reporting. They really *are* useful. Worst case scenario, someone already reported it and it gets closed. No big deal. But someday you'll notice that one little thing nobody's seen before and you'll have saved the day. Then you'll feel all special with a nice warm glow inside. Who doesn't want to feel all warm inside? Like 98.6 degrees warm inside. That's very special.
Yeah, but isn't getting thousands of duplicate bugreports a BAD thing for the guys handling the defect reports ? Wouldn't it be a much saner approach to wait until the obvious ones are ironed out first ?
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Yeshua Christ
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 09/02/2009 21:48:08
Originally by: Tunak Yeah just assume someone else will do the work. That way all you have to do is *****.
*gasp* I was just assuming people will do their jobs, what WAS I THINKING ?!?!
Originally by: CCP Hypnotic All joking aside. I can see how you get that impression, but please don't let that discourage you from bug reporting. They really *are* useful. Worst case scenario, someone already reported it and it gets closed. No big deal. But someday you'll notice that one little thing nobody's seen before and you'll have saved the day. Then you'll feel all special with a nice warm glow inside. Who doesn't want to feel all warm inside? Like 98.6 degrees warm inside. That's very special.
Yeah, but isn't getting thousands of duplicate bugreports a BAD thing for the guys handling the defect reports ? Wouldn't it be a much saner approach to wait until the obvious ones are ironed out first ?
Yes because you know more than the devs do. |
Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hypnotic But someday you'll notice that one little thing nobody's seen before and you'll have saved the day.
You mean like the guy who found the boot.ini bug and didn't report it because he thought that something that obvious couldn't be published?
I will start filing bug reports for the test server, when the bug reports that I file for the production server get handled. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tarra You mean like the guy who found the boot.ini bug and didn't report it because he thought that something that obvious couldn't be published? I will start filing bug reports for the test server, when the bug reports that I file for the production server get handled.
That reminds me of this...
Bug report ID : 37908 Title : Deadspace NPCs still get MWD sigradius penality Description: While approaching a player ship from a distance, with afterburner-level speedboost (when previously, a long time ago, they would have used a MWD-level speedboost), the NPC rats in deadspaces still get a signature radius penality as if they were using MWDs even if they now only use afterburners.
Build : Revelations 1.4.2 Reported : 2007.05.24 at 08:39:07 Official status : "Fixed in: WAR 1.1" REAL status : not fixed
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Grek Forto
THE IRIS United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Grek Forto on 09/02/2009 21:54:32
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CCP Mitnal
C C P CCP
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:55:00 -
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Moved to Game Development forum. |
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Grek Forto Edited by: Grek Forto on 09/02/2009 21:54:32
c-c-c-c-c-combo braker |
Tunak
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 09/02/2009 21:48:08
Originally by: Tunak Yeah just assume someone else will do the work. That way all you have to do is *****.
*gasp* I was just assuming people will do their jobs, what WAS I THINKING ?!?!
You weren't. You're job is to file bugreports. That's the point of test. Not to log in and ***** about how things aren't ready for PROD. No **** that's why they're on test. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 09/02/2009 22:00:14
Originally by: Tunak
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Tunak Yeah just assume someone else will do the work. That way all you have to do is *****.
*gasp* I was just assuming people will do their jobs, what WAS I THINKING ?!?!
You weren't. You're job is to file bugreports. That's the point of test. Not to log in and ***** about how things aren't ready for PROD. No **** that's why they're on test.
I think you're confusing VOLUNTEER WORK with A PAYING JOB. And you are also confusing "I will never report any bugs" with "I will report bugs when the available build is stable enough".
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:03:00 -
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http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Solaris/2009.02.09.21.32.50.jpg
anal beads? w t f? |
Sprobe
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:05:00 -
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That's what comes out of scrum...
... a lot of many useful little development steps, put together, functional..
... but full of bugs
... now we are the customers and have to tell them 'aaaaawww.. we like that, don't like that'...
... and scrum goes into sprint again and refines some of the stuff, other stuff is dumped ...
... and we get another client, with less bugs ...
... and the same iteration starts again ...
... and in the end, after the Nth sprint ...
... we have a game to play ...
... wonderful, isn't it? .............. |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr Divinity's Edge
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
Originally by: Akita T I am very reluctant to even CONSIDER bugreporting them, as I am VERY DOUBTFUL about the usefulness of making such bugreports at this particular stage.
Gasp! Bug reports are NEVER useless. Like Tinkerbell, every time you say something like this a QA member drops dead.
All joking aside. I can see how you get that impression, but please don't let that discourage you from bug reporting. They really *are* useful. Worst case scenario, someone already reported it and it gets closed. No big deal. But someday you'll notice that one little thing nobody's seen before and you'll have saved the day. Then you'll feel all special with a nice warm glow inside. Who doesn't want to feel all warm inside? Like 98.6 degrees warm inside. That's very special.
I swear to god these devs are trying to scare off customers left and right. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sprobe That's what comes out of scrum...
... a lot of many useful little development steps, put together, functional..
... but full of bugs
... now we are the customers and have to tell them 'aaaaawww.. we like that, don't like that'...
... and scrum goes into sprint again and refines some of the stuff, other stuff is dumped ...
... and we get another client, with less bugs ...
... and the same iteration starts again ...
... and in the end, after the Nth sprint ...
... we have a game to play ...
... wonderful, isn't it? ..............
actully... yes!
And they keep telling us this is only half the stuff.
So I'm freaking excited.
plus add on CCPS stuborness and you know they will only change things that don't work. Thus it will be fast.
and the content is huge.
just takes a little payerfeedback.
and whats wrong with playerfeedback? |
Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:09:00 -
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shall i report the same bug with all my accounts, or is one enough? |
Sprobe
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Sprobe That's what comes out of scrum...
... a lot of many useful little development steps, put together, functional..
... but full of bugs
... now we are the customers and have to tell them 'aaaaawww.. we like that, don't like that'...
... and scrum goes into sprint again and refines some of the stuff, other stuff is dumped ...
... and we get another client, with less bugs ...
... and the same iteration starts again ...
... and in the end, after the Nth sprint ...
... we have a game to play ...
... wonderful, isn't it? ..............
actully... yes!
And they keep telling us this is only half the stuff.
So I'm freaking excited.
plus add on CCPS stuborness and you know they will only change things that don't work. Thus it will be fast.
and the content is huge.
just takes a little payerfeedback.
and whats wrong with playerfeedback?
nothing, it's quite uplifting actually.
but on the other hand.. there are many, many people who really don't have any experience in software development
and frankly you need to prepare them to be a part of scrum, if you are implementing this project management methods
and that's what CCP has done to a certain degree.. maybe.. but since they made this publish official for SiSi, they needed to shout out loud:
COMMUNITY, THANKS TO SCRUM WE UNLEASH TONS OF NEW FEATURES UNTO YOU!
TELL US WHAT YOU LIKE, WE LISTEN! WE CAN AND WILL CHANGE, ADD, REMOVE STUFF ACCORDING TO YOUR WISHES!
AND HELP US TO FIND ANY BUGS, THERE ARE MANY, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY NEW FEATURES!
I think that wouldn't scare people off such as the one who started this thread. It should match their expectations with the development cycles. |
Nitalya
Amarr Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Nitalya on 09/02/2009 22:49:17
Originally by: Marlenus Military experts are calling this a beta test.
more like aplha test.... did ccp fire there internal QA department.. cause this buid should have never made it to Sisi the eve QA department should be ashamed of themselfs to let bugs like Market not working to get into the test server
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Robstr
Solar Storm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 23:15:00 -
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O NOE THE TEST SERVER ISNT WORKINGSP PROBERLY!
Jesus....the point of it being in testing is that it's broken and it needs to be tested. |
Vanderie
Amarr Ignatium. Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.02.09 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nitalya ...eve QA department should be ashamed of themselfs to let bugs like Market not working to get into the test server
I bolded the important bits; perhaps you forgot that is why it's a test server, and not the live server? Y'know, to test things? Call me crazy, but I thought it was implied by the name. vPlease visit your user settings to re-enable images.v
-Vanderie |
Vincent Camaro
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Posted - 2009.02.09 23:22:00 -
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Anyone else seen the bug? while respecing attributes?
I`ll try to describe as follows:
There are three groups called "Base" "implants" and skills"
Now if i add some points to base reaching a total of 11 Points only counting Base and implants there is one additional point added to skills. Works like a bonus. If you go after a total of 10 points in base + implants you`ll get one point for free in that attribute.
Bug or feature? |
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Nitalya
Amarr Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2009.02.09 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Vanderie
Originally by: Nitalya ...eve QA department should be ashamed of themselfs to let bugs like Market not working to get into the test server
I bolded the important bits; perhaps you forgot that is why it's a test server, and not the live server? Y'know, to test things? Call me crazy, but I thought it was implied by the name. vPlease visit your user settings to re-enable images.v
-Vanderie
Dont give me that Drivvle... This build is APLHA quialty... not BETA.. and i know the differenct i have worked in QA for a few years... I would have prefferd they delay lauching the new content into BETA.. till the major bugs where squashed you know that is the purpose of ALPHA.. or Internal testing if you will... And there interal QA department sighned off on a build that is very poor qualty rather than do it right..... And i Bolded the important bits for ya |
Shiito Takanawa
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Posted - 2009.02.09 23:31:00 -
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It's a good thing we don't pay for the priviledge to be on the test server amirite? |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.09 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Camaro Anyone else seen the bug? while respecing attributes?
I`ll try to describe as follows:
There are three groups called "Base" "implants" and skills"
Now if i add some points to base reaching a total of 11 Points only counting Base and implants there is one additional point added to skills. Works like a bonus. If you go after a total of 10 points in base + implants you`ll get one point for free in that attribute.
Bug or feature?
feature.
that's your learning skill giving you an extra point every 10 points.
also that whole thing is broked my base skills are not all 5 |
Vanderie
Amarr Ignatium. Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.02.09 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nitalya
Originally by: Vanderie
Originally by: Nitalya ...eve QA department should be ashamed of themselfs to let bugs like Market not working to get into the test server
I bolded the important bits; perhaps you forgot that is why it's a test server, and not the live server? Y'know, to test things? Call me crazy, but I thought it was implied by the name. vPlease visit your user settings to re-enable images.v
-Vanderie
Dont give me that Drivvle... This build is APLHA quialty... not BETA.. and i know the differenct i have worked in QA for a few years... I would have prefferd they delay lauching the new content into BETA.. till the major bugs where squashed you know that is the purpose of ALPHA.. or Internal testing if you will... And there interal QA department sighned off on a build that is very poor qualty rather than do it right..... And i Bolded the important bits for ya
Well then go cry in a corner and don't use sisi until it's up to your 'standard'. Meanwhile, we'll be helping CCP test.
Furthermore, your e-rage is hilarious. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
-Vanderie |
Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.02.10 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 09/02/2009 21:48:08
Originally by: Tunak Yeah just assume someone else will do the work. That way all you have to do is *****.
*gasp* I was just assuming people will do their jobs, what WAS I THINKING ?!?!
Originally by: CCP Hypnotic All joking aside. I can see how you get that impression, but please don't let that discourage you from bug reporting. They really *are* useful. Worst case scenario, someone already reported it and it gets closed. No big deal. But someday you'll notice that one little thing nobody's seen before and you'll have saved the day. Then you'll feel all special with a nice warm glow inside. Who doesn't want to feel all warm inside? Like 98.6 degrees warm inside. That's very special.
Yeah, but isn't getting thousands of duplicate bugreports a BAD thing for the guys handling the defect reports ? Wouldn't it be a much saner approach to wait until the obvious ones are ironed out first ?
That's like people who don't call the police when someone is screaming for help because they assume someone else will.
I've reported at least one bug on Tranquility that I would've thought someone else would've reported, but after convincing the bug hunter it actually existed realized hadn't been reported. |
Artassaut
Minmatar Oblivion Amalgamated
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Posted - 2009.02.10 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Camaro Anyone else seen the bug? while respecing attributes?
I`ll try to describe as follows:
There are three groups called "Base" "implants" and skills"
Now if i add some points to base reaching a total of 11 Points only counting Base and implants there is one additional point added to skills. Works like a bonus. If you go after a total of 10 points in base + implants you`ll get one point for free in that attribute.
Bug or feature?
"Learning: 2% bonus per level to all attributes resulting in a overall faster skill training time." Is probably what happened. |
Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.02.10 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon no this is good. I'm filling out bug reports left and right.
the devs need free bugtesters right now. lets give them what they need.
You know its people like you who put perfectly good QA teams out of work. |
Sean Drake
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.10 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: MotherMoon no this is good. I'm filling out bug reports left and right.
the devs need free bugtesters right now. lets give them what they need.
You know its people like you who put perfectly good QA teams out of work.
Yeah but 1 guy should be able to find a new job pretty easy
If Goons AND BoB are agreeing with each other that your idea is stupid, it's probably stupid.
CCP has bee |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.10 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: MotherMoon no this is good. I'm filling out bug reports left and right.
the devs need free bugtesters right now. lets give them what they need.
You know its people like you who put perfectly good QA teams out of work.
not my fault Nintendo laid me off
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rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: MotherMoon no this is good. I'm filling out bug reports left and right.
the devs need free bugtesters right now. lets give them what they need.
You know its people like you who put perfectly good QA teams out of work.
not my fault Nintendo laid me off
You got laid off too?
You know the funny thing is that I made half of what I made last year, in the month since I got laid off through doing oddjobs and things that I normally have no time for.
Makes me wonder why I bothered working under someone else in the first place.
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