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Filigree Five
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:17:00 -
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In my opinion this whole DBoB event is a perfect example of the brilliance of EvE.
Everything in the universe has real consequences. There are real risks & a real sense of loss.
If you start building protection systems to stop this type of event, then you are creating carebear policies for the most powerful groups. BoB have been a dominant force for a long time, and I find that an awe inspiring achievement. However, if you create a system that insures the power structure then eventually it could come to the point that there is only one ruling power in 0.0. Political intrigue could have caused BoB, over time, to have infiltrated and allied with any of the other great alliances, and as such become THE ruling entity, meaning if you were not "blue to BoB' you would have no null sec access.
What has happened here is that Goon, alledgedly, have managed to collapse the power structure in a huge area of 0.0. The seperate member corps of BoB all still exist, and can all rally again, but there is going to be a huge period of instability.
I honestly think this is a good thing for the game. It shows the rest of the MMO world how deep and intelligent EvE Online is. No other game can offer this type of drama that is being globally observed. This will be making news in the smallest of corps, who never leave hi-sec.
The only time any other MMO would see a hugely interactive event such as this would be if it was scripted by devs, and a broadcast made in a community forum giving a time & date.
Congratulations CCP. |
Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:21:00 -
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It's the fact that most if not all T2 prices will skyrocket, and it will take quite a bit of time for the void to be filled and for the prices to stabalize again.
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Overseer Aliena
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:23:00 -
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Last I checked when a CEO leaves a company in a emo rage quit session the company does not collapse over night but is instead supported by the other chairmen and stockholders. Or I may be thinking too business like. |
Filigree Five
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Filigree Five on 05/02/2009 23:26:21 Surely that is part of the unique quality of the EvE economy. A real event always has a profound affect on market stability. Why don't you look at making money out of it?
A CEO of a corporation could fire sale the component parts of his business without any care for the little guy that cleans the office toilets. |
Basura Blanco
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:25:00 -
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I's because there are so many BoB alts around. This event is making my whole day shiny.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 05/02/2009 23:26:41
Originally by: Overseer Aliena Last I checked when a CEO leaves a company in a emo rage quit session the company does not collapse over night but is instead supported by the other chairmen and stockholders. Or I may be thinking too business like.
Tell that to Apple shareholders peeing their pants over Jobs' illness...
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:27:00 -
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Mainly it's newbs who don't understand that this is far, far from the first time that this sort of thing has happened. It's just that when it happens there's a single thread in CAOD or C&P about it and then the issue disappears, since the corp/alliance it happened to was of less notoriety than the great BoB.
The ignorance of game history and game mechanics that has been flooding the forum over the past 18 hours is staggering. |
Filigree Five
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 05/02/2009 23:26:41
Originally by: Overseer Aliena Last I checked when a CEO leaves a company in a emo rage quit session the company does not collapse over night but is instead supported by the other chairmen and stockholders. Or I may be thinking too business like.
Tell that to Apple shareholders peeing their pants over Jobs' illness...
Good point, Well made.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Filigree Five Why are so many people against this incredible event?
Just a bunch of exbob and/or goon alts having thier fun is all. Nothing to be taken seriously. Go back to running missions and mining veld as all is well. |
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Mainly it's newbs who don't understand that this is far, far from the first time that this sort of thing has happened. It's just that when it happens there's a single thread in CAOD or C&P about it and then the issue disappears, since the corp/alliance it happened to was of less notoriety than the great BoB.
The ignorance of game history and game mechanics that has been flooding the forum over the past 18 hours is staggering.
Such things have happened but the scale of it is what makes it notable and not because BoB has a bunch of fanbois out there.
This impacts ALL of EVE right down to hi-sec hugging, roid humping macro carebears. |
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:35:00 -
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Vested interest and hope CCP can be nudged into making a decision that furthers such. |
Overseer Aliena
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 05/02/2009 23:26:41
Originally by: Overseer Aliena Last I checked when a CEO leaves a company in a emo rage quit session the company does not collapse over night but is instead supported by the other chairmen and stockholders. Or I may be thinking too business like.
Tell that to Apple shareholders peeing their pants over Jobs' illness...
Yeah but the last time I checked when a CEO fell ill and/or died the entire company didn't go under and have tens of thousands lose their jobs in mid shift. That's why there is a chairman board. Stocks may drop if anything bad happened to Job's but the Apple Empire will not crumble in the blink of a eye. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h This impacts ALL of EVE right down to hi-sec hugging, roid humping macro carebears.
Other than a temporary rise in t2 due to speculators raping the market like the always do during these events can you explain exactly how it impacts all of eve? |
Inmaculada Divinity
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Filigree Five In my opinion this whole DBoB event is a perfect example of the brilliance of EvE.
Everything in the universe has real consequences. There are real risks & a real sense of loss.
If you start building protection systems to stop this type of event, then you are creating carebear policies for the most powerful groups. BoB have been a dominant force for a long time, and I find that an awe inspiring achievement. However, if you create a system that insures the power structure then eventually it could come to the point that there is only one ruling power in 0.0. Political intrigue could have caused BoB, over time, to have infiltrated and allied with any of the other great alliances, and as such become THE ruling entity, meaning if you were not "blue to BoB' you would have no null sec access.
What has happened here is that Goon, alledgedly, have managed to collapse the power structure in a huge area of 0.0. The seperate member corps of BoB all still exist, and can all rally again, but there is going to be a huge period of instability.
I honestly think this is a good thing for the game. It shows the rest of the MMO world how deep and intelligent EvE Online is. No other game can offer this type of drama that is being globally observed. This will be making news in the smallest of corps, who never leave hi-sec.
The only time any other MMO would see a hugely interactive event such as this would be if it was scripted by devs, and a broadcast made in a community forum giving a time & date.
Congratulations CCP.
They will rally, I hope they will rally, If not, terminal velocity isn't 9.81 m/s Yes - it's that deep baby! |
Filigree Five
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:40:00 -
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The point is that THE CORPS have not folded, and they have not lost their jobs. They have lost the overarching power structure, which they will have to rebuild.
It's a perfect reconstruction of the real world.
Don't forget that the director involved is proven to be corrupt. |
Morsus Argent
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Morsus Argent on 05/02/2009 23:42:52 Personally, I'd say it's a very 'meh' event.
On the one hand, yes, a huge alliance being taken down should be impressive and significant.
But on the other hand, this was a really lame way for it to happen. Really, really, lame. There's nothing remotely incredible about someone getting in a huff.
So... meh. |
cpt Mark
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:44:00 -
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T2 prices going up is debatable. Probably wont happen in the short term, but there is always enough supply, and always someone to fill a gap in the industry.
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Btw, I think everyone on Eve recieved news of this event about 20 minutes or so after it happened. I'm in the miltia, and no where near these guys and I heard of it (yes the miltia channel seems to be a general eve channel at times lol) |
Overseer Aliena
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:44:00 -
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And if there had been chairmen from each corporation of the allaince then a vote system could be set in place to make something like this happen. No one person should be able to hold that power/responsibility as something like this can, and now has, happen. And like real world business if there is an issue of a corrupt CEO they can be voted out by the board of directors and a new CEO can be voted in. |
Oscardoodle
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:54:00 -
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Hey remember when the ruskies had this happen? Or Scalar Fed? That went well
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panterus31
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Posted - 2009.02.06 00:05:00 -
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any sympathy for BoB or suggestions to restructure or revamp current game mechanics over the issue = This!
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Lt Shard
Shoot To Thrill Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2009.02.06 00:06:00 -
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no bob = unstable market _________________________
Yes, I know the Titan is small in my sig. |
cpt Mark
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Posted - 2009.02.06 00:08:00 -
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Prices of some minerals, namely Ferrogel are skyrocketing.
gone up 50%...
Wouldn't be suprised if these BOB people had stockpiles of the stuff and caused this to make huge profits!
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Grishius
Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.06 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Oscardoodle Hey remember when the ruskies had this happen? Or Scalar Fed? That went well
Mr Gorbachev open this gate... Mr Gorbachev tear down this wall.
I remember.
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Oscardoodle
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.06 03:10:00 -
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Yeah good times |
Orivar
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Posted - 2009.02.06 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Orivar on 06/02/2009 03:27:04 Edited by: Orivar on 06/02/2009 03:25:51 Edited by: Orivar on 06/02/2009 03:25:19 Edited by: Orivar on 06/02/2009 03:23:46
Originally by: Filigree Five In my opinion this whole DBoB event is a perfect example of the brilliance of EvE.
Everything in the universe has real consequences. There are real risks & a real sense of loss.
If you start building protection systems to stop this type of event, then you are creating carebear policies for the most powerful groups. BoB have been a dominant force for a long time, and I find that an awe inspiring achievement. However, if you create a system that insures the power structure then eventually it could come to the point that there is only one ruling power in 0.0. Political intrigue could have caused BoB, over time, to have infiltrated and allied with any of the other great alliances, and as such become THE ruling entity, meaning if you were not "blue to BoB' you would have no null sec access.
What has happened here is that Goon, alledgedly, have managed to collapse the power structure in a huge area of 0.0. The seperate member corps of BoB all still exist, and can all rally again, but there is going to be a huge period of instability.
I honestly think this is a good thing for the game. It shows the rest of the MMO world how deep and intelligent EvE Online is. No other game can offer this type of drama that is being globally observed. This will be making news in the smallest of corps, who never leave hi-sec.
The only time any other MMO would see a hugely interactive event such as this would be if it was scripted by devs, and a broadcast made in a community forum giving a time & date.
Congratulations CCP.
Consequence is one thing but the fact that a Director can do that. ONE Director, is the problem. Directors can't disband yet have a kicking loophole, that's broken. That's the problem. BoB got what it deserves? Completely! But there still is a problem left behind. A lone Director shouldn't have such responsibilities. Directors should have to vote, as in life. :) If a group of them did it, then it would be interesting, and I would laugh my ass off. If the one had just stole a few things and handed some over and hindered a bit, that wouldn't be bad either. However getting rid of a whole Alliance alone..no. And to make it worse it isn't the first time such a thing has happened.
Not a carebear policy at all. Something that is broken. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.06 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Orivar Consequence is one thing but the fact that a Director can do that. ONE Director, is the problem. Directors can't disband yet have a kick loophole. That's the problem. BoB got what it deserves? Completely! But there still is a problem left behind. A lone Director shouldn't have such responsibilities. Directors should have to vote, as in life. :) If a group of them did it, then it would be interesting. Stealing and handling over a few things, not bad either. Getting rid of a whole alliance alone..no. And to make it worse it isn't the first time such a thing has happened.
Well I can see ccp plugging it up only if it becomes really rampant like they did to another 'feature' such as ghost training. It was ok in the beggining when it was used to let someone keep skilling for a bit if they missed a sub or as a perk to lure back the people who take breaks from mmo games but once everyone and his cap alt was using it to train a good portion of his skill time for free it was axed. Same thing will happen with this 'feature' depending on the fallout or if a rash of such actions started happening. Any way you look at it though its going to be an interesting few weeks to be sure. |
Anferney
Black Sands
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Posted - 2009.02.06 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: Anferney on 06/02/2009 03:36:03
Originally by: Orivar Not a carebear policy at all. Something that is broken. But if it was meant to be this way, broken or not. Sucks for them. :)
Again, this has happened to many other alliances and it has been posted on the forums before. This is a rather strong implication that all is/was working as intended when the director started kicking corps. |
Orivar
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Posted - 2009.02.06 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Anferney Edited by: Anferney on 06/02/2009 03:36:03
Originally by: Orivar Not a carebear policy at all. Something that is broken. But if it was meant to be this way, broken or not. Sucks for them. :)
Again, this has happened to many other alliances and it has been posted on the forums before. This is a rather strong implication that all is/was working as intended when the director started kicking corps.
But not complete fact. And as it's been said that it takes CCP a while to address things. The Starbase exploit being allegedly known for four years, it is no more than an assumption. :(
~Bah. What signature? |
Anferney
Black Sands
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Posted - 2009.02.06 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Orivar
Originally by: Anferney Edited by: Anferney on 06/02/2009 03:36:03
Originally by: Orivar Not a carebear policy at all. Something that is broken. But if it was meant to be this way, broken or not. Sucks for them. :)
Again, this has happened to many other alliances and it has been posted on the forums before. This is a rather strong implication that all is/was working as intended when the director started kicking corps.
But not complete fact. And as it's been said that it takes CCP a while to address things. The Starbase exploit being allegedly known for four years, it is no more than an assumption. :(
the starbase exploit was only allegedly known for four years. As far as I last had heard, this was not the case. Furthermore, they did not have postings over a long stretch of time of many people reporting this on the forums. Comparing the two simply does not work. Here it is. Isn't it unique? |
Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.06 03:49:00 -
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'They have worlds out there, people that you wouldn't believe. But they do not have chocolate.'
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