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Cyborg94
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:15:00 -
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What is the best pvp Battleship for midsize to large fleets. Fleet has it's own tackle,webs,painter,etc so you don't need to include them in your decision. If you wish to participate please list reasons why you think a certain bs is the best. Thank you. (I'm using this thread as a guide of which skills to train) |
Gneeznow
Minmatar Goo Spew
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:22:00 -
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tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus |
Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:30:00 -
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so then you have decided that your end game goal would be to partake in mid to large scale fleet battles in a battleship class ship? but you asked for the best, the best changes with the metagame and by the time you skill up to fly one effectively the best will have changed.
What do you want?
a rock that can sit still in the center of the field and hit all likely targets while taking massive amounts of damage?
try an abaddon fit with megapulses and scorch and a huge buffer tank
do you want..
more beef but at the expense of getting primaried more often than not?
fly a megathron.
I'm just saying you want to go for the style you dig, not what's considered best.
but by generalization i'd say these things
Caldari- support-ish roles scorp - ewar rohk - long long range raven - missiles
Minmatar- jack of all trades master of none typhoon - lots of options, medium range dps and remote reps tempest - medium range, speed for engagement control, lots of utility slots mael - arties or ac's, a rock like the abaddon but mobility is an option
Gallente- aggressive and dangerous to fly Dominix - lots of options, dps from any range, neuts/blasters/remote reps Mega - slow, but when(if) it gets to it's target there will be blood. Hype - large plate + rep tank, more suited to small bs gangs where a local tank can count
Amarr - the total war machines, eft gank/tank in a golden can Geddon - insane dps options with a nice rock of a buffer scorch ammo means you don't need to move Apoc - insane range bonus, can be used effectively for a tachyon fit or a mega pulse Abaddon - rock of buffer power, last through many engagements, resist bonus means logistics ships make you god.
so what do you want from your fleet battleship? |
Trader20
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:41:00 -
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Edited by: Trader20 on 05/02/2009 09:47:09
Originally by: Vanthropy
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Great post dude. If ur gonna train up for a baddon just make sure u train up ur eng skills so don't cap urself out from shooting your guns. Also I don't understand ur use of the word "rock" plz explain. |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 05/02/2009 09:54:58
Originally by: Vanthropy
Amarr - the total war machines, eft gank/tank in a golden can Geddon - insane dps options with a nice rock of a buffer scorch ammo means you don't need to move Apoc - insane range bonus, can be used effectively for a tachyon fit or a mega pulse Abaddon - rock of buffer power, last through many engagements, resist bonus means logistics ships make you god.
so what do you want from your fleet battleship?
Amarr = i-win BS, just pick one for the occasion cos apparently its their "role" to have a class of BS for every range in eve while the other races "roles" seem to be rather limited..... |
Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.05 09:56:00 -
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hmm.. by 'rock' here I mean that it's a ship designed to sit in the center of battle; it doesn't move well, but it has the range to make up for that, it doesn't do the best damage out there, but it will outlast all the other ships on the field.
[Abaddon, Rock] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Large Armor Repairer II Damage Control II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vanthropy hmm.. by 'rock' here I mean that it's a ship designed to sit in the center of battle; it doesn't move well, but it has the range to make up for that, it doesn't do the best damage out there, but it will outlast all the other ships on the field.
[Abaddon, Rock] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Large Armor Repairer II Damage Control II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
Ah I see, no heat sinks on that beast though?
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FatFreddy
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:03:00 -
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Well, as a 'rock' aka a ship that can withstand massive amounts of damage, tank goes first and damage output second. therefore the armor pumps and plates.
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Cyborg94
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vanthropy so then you have decided that your end game goal would be to partake in mid to large scale fleet battles in a battleship class ship? but you asked for the best, the best changes with the metagame and by the time you skill up to fly one effectively the best will have changed.
What do you want?
a rock that can sit still in the center of the field and hit all likely targets while taking massive amounts of damage?
try an abaddon fit with megapulses and scorch and a huge buffer tank
do you want..
more beef but at the expense of getting primaried more often than not?
fly a megathron.
I'm just saying you want to go for the style you dig, not what's considered best.
but by generalization i'd say these things
Caldari- support-ish roles scorp - ewar rohk - long long range raven - missiles
Minmatar- jack of all trades master of none typhoon - lots of options, medium range dps and remote reps tempest - medium range, speed for engagement control, lots of utility slots mael - arties or ac's, a rock like the abaddon but mobility is an option
Gallente- aggressive and dangerous to fly Dominix - lots of options, dps from any range, neuts/blasters/remote reps Mega - slow, but when(if) it gets to it's target there will be blood. Hype - large plate + rep tank, more suited to small bs gangs where a local tank can count
Amarr - the total war machines, eft gank/tank in a golden can Geddon - insane dps options with a nice rock of a buffer scorch ammo means you don't need to move Apoc - insane range bonus, can be used effectively for a tachyon fit or a mega pulse Abaddon - rock of buffer power, last through many engagements, resist bonus means logistics ships make you god.
so what do you want from your fleet battleship?
Hey thank for the great reply. I was first training up for a torp raven because of the massive damage it can throw at a painted bc/bs but my corp seems to think ravens are useless for pvp. Also I was looking at the mega but it's extremely short range is a big turn off especially with a buffer tank you move like a brick. I like the abaddon but how is the plat insurance payout on a teir 3 bs?
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Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:04:00 -
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yep, their roles are rather limited, but that's only because the current tactic of choice is medium ranged battleships = fleet battles.
but when you design your fleet/gang whatever around a different tactic and devote yourself to it's execution entirely you'll get results, that's all there is too it.
a full gallente style gang with in your face dps ships gets tight on the medium range ships what happens?
a full caldari style gang manages to hold range while keeping opponents locked down
a full minmatar style gang lures a larger gang into smaller skirmishes by separating them at gates and in different systems/belts
but it's not like tactics end with racial backstory.... "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up" |
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Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:08:00 -
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ahh, a tier three BS is of course the most spendy to fly especially all rigged up.
a geddon however is a friggen dirt cheap and wicked alternative.
I wouldn't say a torp raven is worthless for pvp. I see them in armor RR gangs all the time. 250 km range with cruise missiles is nothing to laugh about either. You just have to be in the right situation (therefore bring the situation to your favor) and you shine |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 05/02/2009 10:13:45
Originally by: Vanthropy
a full gallente style gang with in your face dps ships gets tight on the medium range ships what happens?
The med range laser ships burn in different directions and the gallente ships kill a couple but then have the choice of either chasing one at a time to get in range while the med range ships lay down the big hits, or just sitting still and waiting for it to be their turn to get popped.
Originally by: Vanthropy a full caldari style gang manages to hold range while keeping opponents locked down
And gets owned by lasers that have greater range than torps.
Originally by: Vanthropy a full minmatar style gang lures a larger gang into smaller skirmishes by separating them at gates and in different systems/belts
oh god my ribs.....
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:23:00 -
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Rokh, end of discussion. Best range, second-best dps (second only to the Apoc, and not by much), but much easier to fit and tank than any other sniper.
If, for some bizarre reason, your mid-large fleet is not engaging at long range, get an Abaddon with T2 pulses. |
Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:25:00 -
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hehehe
here's a good geddon fit for you to work into too (more devoted mid range damage dealer)
[Armageddon, geddon.. super gank] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets ECCM - Radar II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Ogre II x5
1000ish dps from 40km is pwn.
if you're tryin to skill into something like this train these skills first
energy management 5 energy systems operations 5 controlled bursts 4 (5 would be better)
then go here...
sharpshooter 5 all other supports except trajectory analysis (who cares) to 4
and start the long trail to t2 heavy lasers and amarr BS 4
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Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:26:00 -
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merin is our metagame expert, so if you'd like to know the current 'best' situation, talk to him :) |
Lexa Hellfury
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:31:00 -
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You praise the 'geddon's ability to deal massive damage without having to move in one post, yet you downsize it's guns in order to fit a MWD in a different post. |
lebrata
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: lebrata on 05/02/2009 10:32:55
Originally by: Cyborg94 What is the best pvp Battleship for midsize to large fleets. Fleet has it's own tackle,webs,painter,etc so you don't need to include them in your decision. If you wish to participate please list reasons why you think a certain bs is the best. Thank you. (I'm using this thread as a guide of which skills to train)
Train amarr, the rokh is maybe a little better at sniping than the apoc due to slot layout and its ability to fit eccm but that depends entirely on the situation.
But the truth is amarr BS have such a variety and available range of use compared to the other races rather limited use that they are much better to train for. |
Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.05 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lexa Hellfury You praise the 'geddon's ability to deal massive damage without having to move in one post, yet you downsize it's guns in order to fit a MWD in a different post.
so? minor inconsistencies.
i am large i contain multitudes.
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Neo Rainhart
Bandiittisektori
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Posted - 2009.02.05 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus
lolol
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Leiara Knight
Gallente The Oblivion Guard
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Posted - 2009.02.05 11:31:00 -
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I like the Tempest. It has character.
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NightmareX
Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 05/02/2009 12:15:15
Originally by: Gneeznow tempest because nightmarexxX says it can fit a mean rack of ecm and a tank and if piloted corectly it can defeat even raptorjesus
QFT lol.
Ofc the Tempest is pretty good. It's only noobs / dumb peoples who don't see the whole thing about the Tempest who only fail with the ship.
ANY descent / experienced / skilled Tempest pilot today will say the Tempest is good, specially after Quantum Rise expansion.
And yes, there isn't anything that is called the best battleship. It's all about skills and experience on how a ship will perform. |
Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Leiara Knight I like the Tempest. It has character.
this =D |
Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.05 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Leiara Knight I like the Tempest. It has character.
I like the tempest it has wingy bits.
as for best bs they all have their uses. some could use some balance and some are great at one role.... |
Psiri
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:00:00 -
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Domi - One boat, does it all. |
fac3hunter
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Posted - 2009.02.05 13:06:00 -
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AC/neut tempest if you actually pvp not svs(shipvsship) any amarr bs if you just play svs(press orbit aktivate all modules and hope for the best) |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.02.05 15:25:00 -
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Pulse 'geddons are scary, tach apocs are war machines, and drone/neut domis are batman
Tempest is pretty cool too
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Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.02.05 15:26:00 -
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You cant go wrong training amarr battleships because each of theirs is good for its intended role.
they have a long range sniper a medium range moderate dps massive buffer tank a close range hyper dps gank ship (with enough drones for utility purposes/more damage)
The problem is their heavy cap dependence and lack of mid slots. If all you want to do is provide firepower at whatever range, then amarr is the race to pick.
You also get the bonus of having t2 mediums by virtue of training for t2 larges, since you already have t2 mediums training battlecruiser to 5 just for the harby is a great thing to do, as it will serve you fine in small roaming gangs where your battleship may seem sluggish.
you can't go wrong with amarr.
That said, they are limited. Amarr converts cap to dps, thats about it.
Gallente have nice battleships too, and the domi is very handy because of its flexibility. The Mega will always be awesome.
Caldari.. well... pve the problem with its sniping battleship is that fleets dont engage at the rokhs max range becuase its nobody elses max range. It makes for a nice blaster boat at medium ranges.
Minmatar. The typhoon is potentially awesome, the upside of typhoon training is you are also training missiles and shields, meaning that you can train caldari battleship to 4 or somthing for a raven to pve with. The tempest is good before you have everyskillat5loltyphoontraining.
its easy to think of amarr as overpowered and the obvious choice, and it is the obvious choice if you just want to sit there and shoot stuff, but you will always feel restricted by flying amarr. They are one dimensional.
Fly the ships that you think look best, that's the only good advice anyone can give you. I like all races battleships, i think they all have their own personality and can easily be romanticized
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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.05 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim stuff
God damn it haradgrim I hate you signature.... it's cruel to arachnophobiacs. I'm not gonna be able to sleep properly now and it's already 1:30 =s
ccp fix mining agent missions % pls |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2009.02.05 15:40:00 -
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Best Battleship is the one you have the most skills trained for.
Find the one you think would be the most fun and train for it. Stay away from EFT. There is more to EVE than DPS/Tank. |
Horny girl1
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Posted - 2009.02.05 19:50:00 -
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Abadon
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