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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.29 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/01/2009 19:07:29
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 29/01/2009 18:59:23 Yeah but Sheriff that'd be a temporary solution at best. They'll be back with more legit-sounding names soon enough, and how would CCP be able to tell which petitions over sdlifjdslj characters were from EULA-abiding players and which ones weren't.
A solution via a literal M60 might be better at solving the farmer problem (if CCP aims it at the server hardware and lets loose.)
It's still a solution that's not been done anywhere.
If you need an actual person to acknowledge your right to play, it will make ISK selling less of an affordable job and as such, they would move to easier grounds.
Hell, even put the buggers in "stasis" for first two-three days, training ground of sorts, that would serve as a training tool for the player as well as be an observation tool for irrational behavior.
Main reason for there being less effective ways only, is the concern for player grief. Valid, but have to say, i think in the end we'd be better off.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.01.29 20:34:00 -
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Hell, if they gave you 10 mil per reported isk spammer I'd just fire up my other PC make an ass load of trial accounts and spam ISK sales then report them all. That would be even faster to make ISK than buying a GTC and selling it.
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Belmarduk
Amarr M.A.R.S. Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.01.29 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: Pazzuzzu I dont report anymore.Whats the point in reporting isk-spammers if CCP doesnt do anything against macro-miners ?
The thousands of macro miners/mission runners in eve amount to a large number of regular subs, CCP will never ban them.
All they do at the moment is remove any isk that looks like its been sold for RL money. The players that buy it lose out, however there seems to be an inexhaustible supply of idiots who buy from isk sellers rather than sell GTC.
Yes exactly The problem must be taken by the root. If CCP took a hard stance against Macro Miners they could really curb down the problem with RMT. Sadly it looks like CCP is handling this the same way like EA did with Ultima Online.The result was that one of the main reasons of UO dieng was because scripting/macroing went rampant because more and more people did it (if there is no big danger of getting banned "normal joe" will start doing it aswell...) We are far from this situation in Eve..still - But it definatley is NOT good for an MMO if it becomes known as a MMO where scripting/macroing is gone soft on ....
Once a MMO gets a name for that its catastrophal for PR reasons.... CCP should seriously consider if they want to risk their (currently) good name in the MMO-Scene for a little more income by the Macro Miner accounts.... In the End that can backfire nastily.... Greetings Belmarduk
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Shaka Laka
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Posted - 2009.01.29 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: bff Jill whats to stop the isk spammers from reporting themselves and generating extra isk to sell?
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They would do it because CCP does nothing about the isk spammers anyway. |
Vikura
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.29 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sephy'Ra Edited by: Sephy''Ra on 29/01/2009 18:30:59 That's 24 people who don't understand the problem of ISK sellers. I'm NEVER EVER going to report ISK spammers!
And first one to reply with off-topic nonsense. Ofcourse it's the buyers... without buyers there wouldn't be sellers.
But this topic was about reporting the chat spammers / salesmans (or how ever you want to call them) |
Dani SP
Rupture Farms Mining
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Posted - 2009.01.29 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: bff Jill whats to stop the isk spammers from reporting themselves and generating extra isk to sell?
ROFL now you've got a point!
I can even imagine a RSD (Reporting Specialized Department) located in the corner of those chinese farmers abandoned buildings where they operate. |
Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.01.29 23:01:00 -
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whenever ccp artificially creates isk or items, that is allways bad - and they should not do it. they should also stop offering isk/item prices for events and stuff. - unless they spent an evening together and actually aquired the items/isk using regular ingame-mechanics with their private player accounts beforehand. |
Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.01.30 01:14:00 -
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Posting in a pointless thread.
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MAJE ML
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Posted - 2009.01.30 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: MAJE ML on 30/01/2009 02:33:23 I agree with a right click to report then i would do it as well.
But instead of banning the sell just remove the isk given to the buyer. That way nethior is ban but the buyer will not waste rl money when he know that his isk will be taken away.
AS for getting people to report spam i recon instead of offering isk why not offer time reduction in skill training like 5-10 min or even an hour for ever report that is found sucessfull.
That way if ten people report the same spam only the first one will get the reward. This should deter anyone from using a trial account to cheat the system.
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Zoltar Torzoid
Gallente Shadow Company Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.30 06:49:00 -
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you could convert everything a Trial account character says in "local" to ooOOoooOooOOooooOO. then call the guards on them. |
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Caldreean
Dawnwalkers
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Posted - 2009.01.30 07:26:00 -
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Edited by: Caldreean on 30/01/2009 07:29:27 The real problems with the spammers is 1) trial accounts are super easy to make 2) people really do buy isk and 3) CCP ignores the macrominers/macromissioners.
Problem #1 is just the price of doing business and I can't fault CCP for it. New blood is good.
Problem #2 can only be handled with serious crackdowns on people who buy and some message on the log-in screen about buying isk being against the rules and ban'able. I used to think buyers simply represented the seedy underbelly of Eve, but today in the Help channel we had some guy come in asking which channel he was supposed to join to pick up the isk he just bought. He honestly didn't know buying isk wasn't allowed. This is far from the first time I've seen people like this. Yes we all laugh and point at them, but they exist.
Problem #3 won't change because frankly CCP makes good money off the macroers. And you guys DO notice how big a deal CCP makes every time we break the old concurrent user record right? Banning all macroers (and continuing to ban new ones) would mean we aren't breaking that record again any time soon, and means it looks like Eve isn't growing.
(And another problem with the macroers is frankly the pos-sov system sucks hard and if real players actually had to mine all the ice used in Eve right now, the players would revolt. The macroers help hide a major game flaw.) |
EFT Warrior
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Posted - 2009.01.30 07:45:00 -
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CCP has it right so far, you don't ban the ISK buyers, you just send their wallet into the negative. |
Pazzuzzu
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Posted - 2009.01.30 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Caldreean if real players actually had to mine all the ice used in Eve right now, the players would revolt. The macroers help hide a major game flaw.)
I strongly disagree on this point. If mining became lucrative again more people would mine and then the price would level out again after an initial flare.
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cpt Mark
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:23:00 -
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If you were offered 10 million Euros for reporting someone who had committed an offence to the police - you might be more inclined to 'be a witness' and 'identify the suspect'.
If you don't understand what I just said - here it is in simple terms. You would be more likely to point the finger at people who may not have done anything wrong or may just have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Then CCP would have to sort through the enormous increase in claims - most of which would be incorrect claims and so the actual number of correct offenders being prosecuted would be reduced dramatically as they become a needle in a haystack. |
Copine Callmeknau
North Central Positronics LTD
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:25:00 -
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Would be a lot easier to report them if you could right click > Report Isk Seller Then it would automatically create a petition with the character and the last 5 messages he sent in local.
So annoying to do it all manually, especially when you're just passing through a system |
Avaleric
Amarr SC Special Circumstances
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Posted - 2009.01.30 13:27:00 -
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I report every single spam today, and encourage everyone else to do the same. Problem is the ones bying spacebucks from that one site all the spams point to. Isn't it possible to track those spacebucks back to the source somehow, and ban the accounts that make use of it?
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State Security
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.30 13:38:00 -
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I love the whole arguement that it's not the ISK sellers fault, it's the buyers. So, CCP should get rid of the buyers then so ISK sellers go away?
You're the same idiots who tout "Guns don't kill people..."
THE BEST idea in the entire thread is "you get 5% of the ISK sellers ISK if they get cought" |
Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
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Posted - 2009.01.30 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Eugene Spencer on 30/01/2009 15:04:22 Edited by: Eugene Spencer on 30/01/2009 15:03:21 LetĘs face it - not everything can be at the top of CCP's list of things to do. The petition system is not the easiest / fastest way of telling CCP about the farmers - that's true.
Here's an idea: we create a community-run in-game website where you paste the details of an isk scammer (much like what some killboards are like). It accumulates stats based on the character and the website they are trying to send you to. That way CCP can see who the biggest culprits are... and possibly even employ some kind of word filter for blocking the websites in chat.
OR we make a website which promises super-cheap isk ū get the community to place a link on their own corp / alliance website and get it to the top of google. Then report anyone who tries to buy the isk. Kill the demand ū kill the farmers.
It's either that or CCP build something into every EVE client which sends random packets to these websites - effectively DOSsing them :)
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Element 22
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.30 16:11:00 -
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Honestly, I haven't run into an isk farmer in weeks, and I haven't had a problem with them since I was in the rookie chat. Signatures are annoying...kinda like me. |
Fehz
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.30 16:56:00 -
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I report isk spammers just so I know GM's are alive. It's the only type of petition that gets a somewhat quick response. Try to file a real petition and all you get is "teh logs show nothing".
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Loyal Servant
Caldari PURE Legion KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.31 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Element 22 Honestly, I haven't run into an isk farmer in weeks, and I haven't had a problem with them since I was in the rookie chat.
Your not looking hard enough. Check the ice fields, bob space, dronelands and tenal. You will find farmers.
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