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TheCartel
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:22:00 -
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Well im in the position where I either go for ogre IIs or large IIs. The large's obviously benefit my battleships but the ogres do to as Im gallente. Also with the Ogres I could fly the ishtar perfectly.
Really not sure what to do first. Also like 5 days from astarte all I need is leadership V.
The large guns are the quickest train as I have 25 perception 23 willpower.
Thanks.
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MarieFrance Tessier
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:56:00 -
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Ogre II's all the way, especially if you can already fly Ishtar. More fun, for sure.
But don't NOT get t2 guns.
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TheCartel
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:54:00 -
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I can literally fly the ishtar very well besides the ogre IIs.
Drone interfacing V as well..
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.21 02:07:00 -
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T2 drones take a fraction of the training time as T2 large guns, given the various pre-reqs involved.
T2 drones are (ignoring the specialization skill) a VAST upgrade in offense over their T1 version. T2 guns are not any kind of improvement at all (again, ignoring the specialization skill, and in this case, T2 ammo) over the meta 4 version of the T1 gun.
So yea, go with the drones first.
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Draeca
Tharri and Co.
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Posted - 2009.01.21 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Sejanus T2 drones are (ignoring the specialization skill) a VAST upgrade in offense over their T1 version. T2 guns are not any kind of improvement at all (again, ignoring the specialization skill, and in this case, T2 ammo) over the meta 4 version of the T1 gun.
Null and T2 neutrons are a good enough reason to go for large T2 guns, if you like pvp and flying big, fat, clumsy but deadly blasterthron. On the other hand, T2 Drones are a great boost for almost every drone boat from vexor to carriers, so I'd say get them and drone interfacing V (if you don't have that yet) first. |
TheCartel
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Posted - 2009.01.21 07:24:00 -
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The training is either Large Hybrid V or Heavy Drone Operation V.
I have all the preq besides that I have drone interfacing V I have battleship V.
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Deva Blackfire
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2009.01.21 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: TheCartel I can literally fly the ishtar very well besides the ogre IIs.
Drone interfacing V as well..
then you cant fly it very well |
TheCartel
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Posted - 2009.01.21 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: TheCartel I can literally fly the ishtar very well besides the ogre IIs.
Drone interfacing V as well..
then you cant fly it very well
Thanks for the really constructive post. <3 |
Suga H
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.21 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Suga H on 21/01/2009 12:57:45
Originally by: TheCartel
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: TheCartel I can literally fly the ishtar very well besides the ogre IIs.
Drone interfacing V as well..
then you cant fly it very well
Thanks for the really constructive post. <3
It's true. The Ishtar has 3 gun points. And 125 drone bandwidth. What's going to do more damage, 5 Ogre Is and 3 TII Blasters, or 5 Ogre IIs and 3 Meta4 Blasters? The second option. Especially because you've got DI V. The Ishtar is a drone boat, denying it Ogre IIs is denying it it's main firepower. Flying a drone boat without drones isn't flying it very well. You need Tech II heavies asap. |
Cyonix Maur
Caldari Durt Industries Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.21 17:11:00 -
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ive lost a demois to T2 ogres nasty just nasty. now on my alt i have Lage T2 Blasters and they are Very Very nasty on megathron, as for what to get first my choice would have to be T2 orges if u have DI to V then ogres will be Very nasty in a Domi or ishtar
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Deva Blackfire
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2009.01.21 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 21/01/2009 17:44:47
Originally by: TheCartel
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: TheCartel I can literally fly the ishtar very well besides the ogre IIs.
Drone interfacing V as well..
then you cant fly it very well
Thanks for the really constructive post. <3
It is constructive enough. It literally means: train ogres II and interfacing 5.
EDIT: and yes t1 drones + interfacing 4 is just average drone skills (hell even my caldari alt has those and the only "drone" ships are raven and nighthawk).
Also: god kills a kitten everytime he sees killmail with t1 heavies on ishtar.
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Shassandra
Gallente Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2009.01.21 19:22:00 -
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I agree with the rest of them, go for T2 heavy drones (for all the races. You might as well). Drones start affecting already from HACs and up, with t2 large guns only affect battleships, so you have quite a few more shields in the drone catagory.
I use t2 drones, don't have t2 large guns though, and I've not regretted it a second. Missions go kinda fun when you see those t2 heavies rip apart those nice 2.5 million bounty boss-ships
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Jainia Soltella
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Posted - 2009.01.21 20:40:00 -
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Purely for the Ishtar I give another vote here for T2 Heavies. You might also want to take a look at T2 Sentries. With rigs you can get more damage than heavies, and they lay on the DPS immediately while the Ogres are still slow-boating to the target. You can also drop them off at a safe distance if you come across a smart-bomber.
If you're a dedicated drone boat pilot, it's good to have both in your repertoire. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2009.01.21 21:58:00 -
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Tech II sentries IMO. Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down |
TheCartel
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Posted - 2009.01.22 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: TheCartel on 22/01/2009 03:24:47
Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 21/01/2009 17:44:47
Originally by: TheCartel
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: TheCartel I can literally fly the ishtar very well besides the ogre IIs.
Drone interfacing V as well..
then you cant fly it very well
Thanks for the really constructive post. <3
It is constructive enough. It literally means: train ogres II and interfacing 5.
EDIT: and yes t1 drones + interfacing 4 is just average drone skills (hell even my caldari alt has those and the only "drone" ships are raven and nighthawk).
Also: god kills a kitten everytime he sees killmail with t1 heavies on ishtar.
Sorry I typed that out misleadingly. I HAVE interfacing 5.
EDIT: And Im not even remotely touching an ishtar till I have ogre IIs |
Tchelor
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Posted - 2009.01.22 04:05:00 -
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Sentries are superior to heavies against battleships; against long range t2 cruisers they're about even, and against short range they're vastly inferior. 400nm resolution combined with tracking that never really exceeds .04rad/sec limit their use against cruisers |
Caffeine Junkie
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2009.01.23 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Caffeine Junkie on 23/01/2009 12:29:20
Originally by: TheCartel Well im in the position where I either go for ogre IIs or large IIs. The large's obviously benefit my battleships but the ogres do to as Im gallente. Also with the Ogres I could fly the ishtar perfectly.
Really not sure what to do first. Also like 5 days from astarte all I need is leadership V.
The large guns are the quickest train as I have 25 perception 23 willpower.
Thanks.
If were you I would train for the Astarte first, which doesn't use T2 Heavys, and then Ogre IIs to enable you in an Ishtar.
Then you have two great ships you can fly well, while training T2 large guns.
Note: Astarte is Leader V + Warfare Link Spec IV, which is more likely to be 10 days than 5. |
Dahin
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.23 14:42:00 -
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Another thread where the op asks "what to train?" and doesn't state his purpose.
Drones: Excellent small/mid-scale pvp, nice PvE. Abysmall large-scale+ or long-legth pvp, their training only applies on a very small subset of available ships spread over many races (which means you have to train cruiser/bs of other races to get full effect).
T2 hybrids: Excellent on blaster range, rails are still the best dps on fleet-scale shooty-shooty. Quite satisfactory on PvE when facing gal/cald big rats. Still applicable on a subset of ships but of one race (cept for the hawk and that cald sniping hac)
Also, general training for hybrids applies to other guntypes aswell since anything but the hybrids skill itself is common. Drones don't.
I find myself having both the specializations you're looking for. I currently have 10mil in drones and I think ~12mil in gunnery (using only hybrids). I found that I trained the turrets extensively first (while having mediocre drone skills)and then focus on drones. I'd suggest you do the same thing
Why fly covops? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WOIwlXE9g |
Dahak2150
Rowdy Ramblers
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Posted - 2009.01.23 14:50:00 -
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T2 heavies might well be a shorter raining time, and will apply to a large number of ships. T2 large blasters are somewhat more limited. |
Caffeine Junkie
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2009.01.23 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dahak2150 T2 heavies might well be a shorter raining time, and will apply to a large number of ships. T2 large blasters are somewhat more limited.
I agree with this, if you want to specialise in flying Gallente Battleships, go for T2 Hybrids (although your typical Blasterthron gets a fair amount of its DPS from Ogre IIs). If you want to be able to switch ships for different situations, drones are always good and apply to almost all ships. |
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.24 04:21:00 -
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Quote: Note: Astarte is Leader V + Warfare Link Spec IV, which is more likely to be 10 days than 5.
And Battlecruiser 5, which is somewhere around 30 days, most likely. Might be a bit of a stretch, as most folks don't have it trained by default. Are there any people who have it who aren't specifically aiming for a command ship?
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TheCartel
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Posted - 2009.01.24 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Sejanus
Quote: Note: Astarte is Leader V + Warfare Link Spec IV, which is more likely to be 10 days than 5.
And Battlecruiser 5, which is somewhere around 30 days, most likely. Might be a bit of a stretch, as most folks don't have it trained by default. Are there any people who have it who aren't specifically aiming for a command ship?
Thanks for all the help I do have Battlecruiser 5 and going for Astarte then Drones then the Large Guns.
currently about 9 days from the astarte training leadership V.
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.24 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jainia Soltella Edited by: Jainia Soltella on 22/01/2009 16:08:06 Purely for the Ishtar I give another vote here for T2 Heavies. You might also want to take a look at T2 Sentries. With rigs you can get more damage than heavies against some targets, and they lay on the DPS immediately while the Ogres are still slow-boating to the target. You can also drop them off at a safe distance if you come across a smart-bomber.
If you're a dedicated drone boat pilot, it's good to have both in your repertoire.
Edit: added clarification
this tbh.
t2 sentries are a snipers best friend, a ratters/mission runners best friend, a pos takedown best friend, They can scare the jesus out of cruiser+ sized ships that orbit at 20km+ and they are just plain nasty.
but read up on how to use sentries and invest in omnidirectional tracking links. |
TheCartel
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Posted - 2009.01.25 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem
Originally by: Jainia Soltella Edited by: Jainia Soltella on 22/01/2009 16:08:06 Purely for the Ishtar I give another vote here for T2 Heavies. You might also want to take a look at T2 Sentries. With rigs you can get more damage than heavies against some targets, and they lay on the DPS immediately while the Ogres are still slow-boating to the target. You can also drop them off at a safe distance if you come across a smart-bomber.
If you're a dedicated drone boat pilot, it's good to have both in your repertoire.
Edit: added clarification
this tbh.
t2 sentries are a snipers best friend, a ratters/mission runners best friend, a pos takedown best friend, They can scare the jesus out of cruiser+ sized ships that orbit at 20km+ and they are just plain nasty.
but read up on how to use sentries and invest in omnidirectional tracking links.
Yea I have decided the drones are the way to go. Now after looking into sentries etc Im not really sure which one to go for Heavies or Sentries first.
I think heavies have more all round general value also for the battleships etc but specifically for the ishtar now what do you guys think first?
Im an all rounder with ratting and PvP but whatever is best for PvP would be my main concern.
(Lot of ishtars seem to be using bouncers).
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AmmoniaisNH3
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Posted - 2009.01.25 07:41:00 -
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sentries, ogres are useless |
TheCartel
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Posted - 2009.01.25 07:44:00 -
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How does it work if you drop sentries and you have to GTFO do you have to pull up next to them and 'scoop them'. |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.01.25 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: TheCartel How does it work if you drop sentries and you have to GTFO do you have to pull up next to them and 'scoop them'.
You can drop them and fly about, but if you want to pick them back up, you've got to be right next to them, as they cannot move, so essentially you've got to sit in place whilst they fire.
Personally i'd say go Ogre II -> T2 Sentries -> T2 Hybrids. Largely because Drones are more versatile than the guns, giving you better options with ships. Besides, Best named guns aren't bad, they're decent, but T2 Drones work wonders. |
Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.01.25 10:30:00 -
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Both. But if you had to chose one first i would go for t2 heavies. In PVP you will use sentries quite a bit but vs hacs or smaller (and in closer range engagements) ogres or zerkers just plain rock.
Nowadays i use both heavies and sentries almost 50/50 of the time. |
Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.01.25 19:01:00 -
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I'm a big fan of sentries. Gardes can hit battleships even close up and wardens can hit anything down to frigates out past 70km easily if you have a drone tracking module and good skills. |
Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.01.25 19:45:00 -
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Wardens are meh.
Best sentries are: - bouncers (good range, explo damage, decent damage mod) - curators (very good tracking, em damage vs HACs, good damage mod)
Gardes are decent (too close for my liking - you could use ogres instead at those ranges). But they can get boosted by sentry drone rigs ad outdamage ogres. So they have their uses.
From heavies: ogres and zerkers are awesome (zerks especially on amarr ships). Preators are crap. Wasps are only for NPCing guris.
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