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Sweet Cupcake
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:26:00 -
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Hi! I am looking to buy a capital alt and here is my question:
which dread is the "best"? what is your opinion?
And the same for the carrier. which one do you like the most? I am thinking of getting the Caldari one just because I think it is the sexiest ship in eve but is the Gallente one so much better that I should just go for that one?
all opinions are greatly appreciated!
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Ecky X
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:35:00 -
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Not the Naglfar.
If I were to buy one, it would be a Moros. Rev is probably a bit better for POS-busting, but the Moros has a lot of... other... uses.
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:37:00 -
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the CORRECT dread?
"one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
my head hurts |
LadyLubU2
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nathanial Victor the CORRECT dread?
Ok. |
Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:45:00 -
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amarr = best for massive fleets gallente = best for solo's minmatar = best for barrel rolls |
Sweet Cupcake
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:53:00 -
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barrel rolls? |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:54:00 -
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Dreads = after the citadel torp buff, rev/moros/phoenix are great, nag is meh Carriers = chimera + archon are great, thanatos = good, nid is great when fitted right but no-one ever does |
Xori Ruscuv
Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:06:00 -
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Falcon.
Lol, I had to do it.
Archon/Chimera, Moros/Rev. |
TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:09:00 -
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Archon is great. Only problem I am finding is all the people in my corp fly Chrimera, so neither of us have bonuses to rep eachother. |
Ashani Tazuki
Gallente VisionEight
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Typhado3 gallente = best for solo's
How do u solo a cap ship? :P, u need a cyno player /alt
Originally by: Typhado3 Minmatar = best for barrel rolls
Lolz |
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Xori Ruscuv
Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 15/01/2009 10:24:30
Originally by: Typhado3 gallente = best for solo's
Originally by: Typhado3 for solo's
Originally by: Typhado3 solo
Cap ships for solo? HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
Ok. Hey, at least I didn't break the page! |
hellsknights
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:33:00 -
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Carrier = Support/logistic ship Dread = Cap killer/POS killer/Station Killer. |
Kira Pasisson
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kira Pasisson on 15/01/2009 10:40:06 http://killboard.frontal-impact.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7811
anymore questions about a moros being a great solo-ship? :D |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kira Pasisson
http://killboard.frontal-impact.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7811
anymore questions about a moros being a great solo-ship? :D
Let's see. You proved that the guy in the pod was either afk, in a bubble or desynced..nothing about the moros..continue. |
Kira Pasisson
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2009.01.15 11:21:00 -
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:) nah, he warped to cyno in 00 at 100, 4ppl in local....he waited and felt safe....but he must have seen the moros otherwise..omg...and then going afk...well :P....nevermind was more for the fun factor :)
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DjLowballer
Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2009.01.15 12:11:00 -
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Z Please Vote DjLowballer as your delegate to the CSM! |
NoNah
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Posted - 2009.01.15 12:17:00 -
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Yepp, thank god cap ships can't be used for station games. And even if they could be used for it, no-one would anyway.
And thank god it's never been heard of to have a MS or moros camping lowsec gates. That would've been useless.
Oh... wait... Parrots, commence!
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Sweet Cupcake
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Posted - 2009.01.15 18:46:00 -
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So what have I learned? according to what you guys say and what info I can get from my fitting toll is:
Dreads: all fits is with all lvl V skills, just guns and high dmg ammo plus 5 tech2 sentry drones.
Revelation: is only good when ammo is a issue, and can tank nice because of the 8 low slots. Naglfar: is simply no good... cant really see why but no one seems to like it. Phoenix: has the lowest dps and as always with Caldari you need to remove tank if you want electronic warfare. Moros: has the highest dps because of the drone bonus.
Carriers: all with lvl 5 skills and no fittings more then the fighters.
Archon: has a bonus to armor resistance. Nidhoggur: is a little better at armor and shield transfer. Chimera: nice tank if you fit it right and is hands down the sexiest ship in game! (my opinion) Thanatos: have 250 more dps then the others! so to come to a conclusion: I as a person that likes to do damage should really try to buy an account that can fly Gallente. but both the Thanatos and the Moros is so damn ugly I am still thinking of going with Caldari!!
Do anyone disagree? plz share your thoughts! |
Sir Ninja
Amarr Band of Boobs
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Posted - 2009.01.15 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
And thank god it's never been heard of to have a MS camping lowsec gates. Oh... wait...
Yea *cough* naguton *cough* |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sweet Cupcake So what have I learned? according to what you guys say and what info I can get from my fitting toll is:
Dreads: all fits is with all lvl V skills, just guns and high dmg ammo plus 5 tech2 sentry drones.
Revelation: is only good when ammo is a issue, and can tank nice because of the 8 low slots. Rev cant tank for **** cause it needs cap to fire guns. it has a good balance between damage and ehp though, and the permadps is a nice feature Naglfar: is simply no good... cant really see why but no one seems to like it. Its not that bad really just generally slightly worse than the rest. split weapons, less cap, less hp. You can forfeit dps and fit a great buffer if you want Phoenix: has the lowest dps and as always with Caldari you need to remove tank if you want electronic warfare. Nonsense, it has great dps (with 3 BCU's) and a good buffer, what you need e-war for? Moros: has the highest dps because of the drone bonus. But its dps is very vulnerable and railgun dps isnt that impressive
Carriers: all with lvl 5 skills and no fittings more then the fighters.
Archon: has a bonus to armor resistance. Nidhoggur: is a little better at armor and shield transfer. Chimera: nice tank if you fit it right and is hands down the sexiest ship in game! (my opinion) The tank isnt the chimeras strong points, its cap, with four cpr's its almost unrivalled Thanatos: have 250 more dps then the others! Unfortunately carrier dps matters **** all in capital fights and chiemra and archon are way better for rr
Do anyone disagree? plz share your thoughts!
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Callisia
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Posted - 2009.01.15 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Callisia on 15/01/2009 19:59:12 Some more thoughts on dreads to add to your list...
Revelation: + No reloading (except to change range) rather handy in high lag environment; + Strongest buffer armor tank; + Very often highest damage dealer in a group of dreads; - Can have cap issues owing to cap use of guns (not good when a quick jump out is required) - Restricted to EM/Th damage
Phoenix: + Strongest shield tank + High burst damage + Zero cap use weapons + Can do all types of damage (although bonus only to Kin) - Torps can be neutralized by smarties (although helped by recent buff to their HP) - Slow speed of torps can mean wasted DPS in large cap battles (target destroyed before they hit) - Torps useless at damaging anything remotely small (e.g. smaller POS modules) Moros: + Ludicrous drone damage + Decent armor tank - Restricted to Th/Kin damage (apart from drone DPS of course) - Weapons use cap
Naglfar: + Can do all types of damage + Zero cap use weapons + Nice burst damage + Its vertical + Highest speed of all dreads (just kidding) - Worst tank of all dreads and hence insta-primary - Most skill intensive dread (two capital weapon systems) - Torp disadvantages as per Phoenix |
Sweet Cupcake
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Posted - 2009.01.15 20:02:00 -
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humm.. thank you very much! well then I think I will try to get a good capital Caldari account. it seems right for me!
big thx! |
Orokar Blane
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Posted - 2009.01.15 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Orokar Blane on 15/01/2009 20:09:13 *ignore* |
Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.01.15 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Spaztick on 15/01/2009 21:28:30 If I may comment on the Naglfar:
It would be a decent dread, except that it's a split weapon ship and thus requires double the skill points and damage mods to be properly flown, yet even with that is a failboat that is sub par compared to its counterparts with the lowest damage of all dreads, only because you don't have the CPU to fit both a proper shield tank and enough damage mods at the same time to make it worth the 2 billion isk you spend on it.
Hence most people armor tank it, which gives you the same EHP and slightly better sustained tank while having the worst DPS of all the dreads. But it's freakin' vertical I guess, but so is the nightmare.
For a dread I highly recommend the Moros, as it can do much of it's damage outside of siege mode, has some flexibility in damage types with drones and has a mean buffer. Second to that I would go with Revelation; highest raw dps of any dread. |
Mo adib
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Posted - 2009.01.15 21:46:00 -
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the amarr one. |
Splash Whale
Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2009.01.15 22:09:00 -
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I'd roll amarr or gallente.
carrier blobs usually have more armor rep then shield rep and their caps are all good.
Easy nuff' ----
When in doubt, Ctrl-Q. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Splash Whale I'd roll amarr or gallente.
carrier blobs usually have more armor rep then shield rep and their caps are all good.
Easy nuff'
chimera = 2x shield rep archon = 2x armor rep thanny&nid = 1 shield 1 armour
so...no
Your cap ship deserves CPR's! |
Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2009.01.15 22:22:00 -
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The problem with the Nag is that it's schizophrenic: it's got the bonuses and hardpoints of a Typhoon and the slot layout of a Tempest. If you made its slot layout more like a Typhoon (i.e. one less mid, one more low), it would be better off because it would have more room for an armor tank or to accomodate the extra damage mods needed by the split weapon system. Alternatively, you could drop the torp bonus for a second gun bonus and add a third gun hardpoint to make it more like a Tempest, but you may have to put one high slot somewhere else to keep things balanced (i.e. no other dread has three bonused and one unbonused weapon). -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne |
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2009.01.15 22:56:00 -
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If you're looking to have 1 character fly both capitals, then I'd say go for an amarr character. Best carriers are archon/chimera, best dreads are moros/revelation.
Moros is the only dread in the game that outdamages most BSs while not in siege, it's also got more drone DPS then a carrier, making it by far the best at killing sub-capitals.
Revelation is best in fleet fights, because of not having to reload and its huge buffer, it outperforms all other dreads whenever lag is a factor.
For the carriers, archon/chimmy are the same ship, with different tanks. The nid and thanny are slightly less useful due to their reduced local tanks. |
Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.01.15 23:41:00 -
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The Naglfar is freakin vertical.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
I'm the Juggernaut, *****! |
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