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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:47:00 -
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Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:49:00 -
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wut
I have more space likes than you.-á |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:52:00 -
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which is why if i ever mined it would be in a covetor. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:52:00 -
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Something a little bit more interesting than another hulk thread |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:53:00 -
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GǪso a few days at the most, if the average hulk-whiner is to be believed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
664
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:58:00 -
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i dunno i only mine arkonor |
Subdolus Venator
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:00:00 -
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What's with all the Covertor luv / Hulk hate..?
And really, WHY do people keep bringing this up? WHO CARES?! Mostly, no one cares.
Go away. EVE is EVE - Feaces will eventuate. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:00:00 -
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Did you know it also takes time for PVP ships to "pay" for themselves?
If you lose a pvp ship without killing more than it's value in ISK, you lost out. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
velox
Darkside Gardens
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:01:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you.
I don't quite understand your point but would say your 50 hours are off.
At the moment a can of veldspar is worth about 7 mill isk putting it above kernite in value per can. It's been a long time since I mined in a hulk with fleet/orca bonuses but when I did I'm pretty sure I was pullling at least 4 cans an hour.
Let's assume I'm wrong and it was 3 cans that's 21 mill an hour and your hulk is paid for in around 16 hours and if I'm right 4 cans an hour gives you 28 mill and the hulk is paid for in about 12 hours.
Either of those is no where near your over exaggerated 50 hours..
V. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:15:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:i dunno i only mine arkonor
ABC ores are the only ores to mine. |
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:28:00 -
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velox wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you. I don't quite understand your point but would say your 50 hours are off. At the moment a can of veldspar is worth about 7 mill isk putting it above kernite in value per can. It's been a long time since I mined in a hulk with fleet/orca bonuses but when I did I'm pretty sure I was pullling at least 4 cans an hour. Let's assume I'm wrong and it was 3 cans that's 21 mill an hour and your hulk is paid for in around 16 hours and if I'm right 4 cans an hour gives you 28 mill and the hulk is paid for in about 12 hours. Either of those is no where near your over exaggerated 50 hours.. V.
I am comparing mining pyroxers in a hulk with all 5's to a covetor with all 5's. Pyroxers are currently the best hisec belt roids (not anomaly/plex). You make aprox. 5.2 mil an hour more in a hulk than a covetor.
If you switched from an all 5 covetor to an all 5 hulk, it would take you 50+ hours to make the price difference.
Turns out it wasnt exaggerated at all.
Just putting the information out there for all the miners and gankers.
The miners so they can protect their wallets (they wont), and the gankers so they can enjoy the tears more.
Because knowing is 1/2 the battle.
G.I. Joe! We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
468
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:36:00 -
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Subdolus Venator wrote:What's with all the Covertor luv / Hulk hate..?
And really, WHY do people keep bringing this up? WHO CARES?! Mostly, no one cares.
Go away.
Clearly everyone who replies cares deeply, or they would not reply. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
999
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:56:00 -
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Back in my day a Hulk cost 500m isk |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:03:00 -
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velox wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you. I don't quite understand your point but would say your 50 hours are off. At the moment a can of veldspar is worth about 7 mill isk putting it above kernite in value per can. It's been a long time since I mined in a hulk with fleet/orca bonuses but when I did I'm pretty sure I was pullling at least 4 cans an hour. Let's assume I'm wrong and it was 3 cans that's 21 mill an hour and your hulk is paid for in around 16 hours and if I'm right 4 cans an hour gives you 28 mill and the hulk is paid for in about 12 hours. Either of those is no where near your over exaggerated 50 hours.. V. The number is right. Last night did we mine 3 belts with 9 miners and pulled in 514m ISKs worth of ore or on average 11m ISK/h. We used two orcas, one for holding the other for hauling, several Hulks, two Covetors, one Retriever. A fully fitted Hulk, which includes T2 rigs, costs you 500m ISKs.
You need to include the time to haul the ore and you cannot just take the numbers of your strip miners and ignore the rest of the work. Nor can you cherry-pick a belt for pyroxeres or you will have to move from belt to belt and search where there is some left. And cans do not work with all the can flippers. You then need to move it all to Jita or sell it for less locally. |
Tarn Kugisa
Space Mongolian Pinked
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:10:00 -
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My Mining Rokh is Ungankable. Because of 200K EHP I Endorse this Product and/or Service [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16580[/url] |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
560
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:25:00 -
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50 hours to replace a hulk, 5 minutes to replace a destroyer and the only thing that makes it longer is the 15 minute GCC window (you cannot dock, reship, and then undock expecting to warp off - ANY ship you jump into during GCC cannot warp and gets station gunned to death). so yeah, good reason that the hulk could use a buff since its more investment to replace then a destroyer but blows up even fast then it takes to replace a destroyer.
But who cares, lets just leave it as is and party like its 1999 until the end of the year. Burn those mining vessels and don't let any miner near an asteroid. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
671
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:28:00 -
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Took me only 5 minutes to make up for it.
Mine was free (for me at least... not for the guy who lost it).
2 years and haven't lost it yet so... |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
664
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:32:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:50 hours to replace a hulk, 5 minutes to replace a destroyer and the only thing that makes it longer is the 15 minute GCC window (you cannot dock, reship, and then undock expecting to warp off - ANY ship you jump into during GCC cannot warp and gets station gunned to death). so yeah, good reason that the hulk could use a buff since its more investment to replace then a destroyer but blows up even fast then it takes to replace a destroyer. lol fit tanking mods to your hulk next time dumbass |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
671
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:37:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Aqriue wrote:50 hours to replace a hulk, 5 minutes to replace a destroyer and the only thing that makes it longer is the 15 minute GCC window (you cannot dock, reship, and then undock expecting to warp off - ANY ship you jump into during GCC cannot warp and gets station gunned to death). so yeah, good reason that the hulk could use a buff since its more investment to replace then a destroyer but blows up even fast then it takes to replace a destroyer. lol fit tanking mods to your hulk next time dumbass Or mine aligned. Problems solved. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
664
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:40:00 -
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listening to a guy whine about how a destroyer suicided his hulk is like listening to a guy complain about how it's the belt manufacturer's fault he crapped his own pants. |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
672
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:41:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:listening to a guy whine about how a destroyer suicided his hulk is like listening to a guy complain about how it's the belt manufacturer's fault he crapped his own pants. Actually a very good comparison.
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Alxea
Trauma Ward
68
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:55:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you. Have you not mined lately? Trit and other materials are now 2 to 3 times more expensive then they were a few months ago. Means you make about 15 mil to 30 mil an hour depending on your skills by just sitting their afk all day killing a rock that doesn't move. I think isk is getting too easy to make these days. Back in my day hulks cost 400 mill so I wouldn't be complaining about the cost to replace a hulk. But I would be happy to gank it for you. We take a loss too and its just for the kill mail. I can't wait for inferno when they get rid of the dang popup windows that warn you, that you are ganking somebody with no way to turn them off. Finally fixing that in inferno. I'd rather not fight the UI to play a game feature and mechanic. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
214
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Posted - 2012.04.16 23:13:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:listening to a guy whine about how a destroyer suicided his hulk is like listening to a guy complain about how it's the belt manufacturer's fault he crapped his own pants. Actually a very good comparison.
If we are going to use RL examples, I get kind of tired of the wife beater bullshit myself.
"It's your fault I beat you, you know that makes me mad" "I do it because I love you so, so much"
Some how it's my fault I got ganked because I didn't tank my hulk when we all know you can't tank a Hulk and worse case scenario the ganker needs to bring 2 Catalysts to kill you. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
561
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Posted - 2012.04.16 23:59:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Aqriue wrote:50 hours to replace a hulk, 5 minutes to replace a destroyer and the only thing that makes it longer is the 15 minute GCC window (you cannot dock, reship, and then undock expecting to warp off - ANY ship you jump into during GCC cannot warp and gets station gunned to death). so yeah, good reason that the hulk could use a buff since its more investment to replace then a destroyer but blows up even fast then it takes to replace a destroyer. lol fit tanking mods to your hulk next time dumbass lol pull your head out of your ass
Destroyers - Buffed = 2x pocket rocket catalyst banging poor fitted hulks for 5 million Tornado - 1400mm love rod comming your way, but wait there is more! Dude just has to bring a friend!
Don't matter what you do dipship, solo or in a team a hulk will die to a determined individual or a small party. If you can't kill it, you either gave up because you are a risk adverse ***** that didn't want to lose a Tornado or 3 in your gang to CONCORD because the destroyer is so much cheaper and/or your connection went down just as you started locking. I am betting more the first option for you though, because so many players shoot hulks because they require less effort then ganking a Dominix or Raven mission running ship with **** mods of no value. You ever see Mission-ageddon? No, because it requires you to lose more then the hulk pilot then a destroyer, who may be trying to recover the isk he spent on the second hulk after losing the first one...only to lose it possibly with in the first week of getting it requiring the purchase of a third hulk, valued far higher then any other T2 ship excluding battleships. You on the other hand, easily recovered your destroyer from the first kill from a cargo expander or strip miner while looking for another hulk. You are never inconvenienced out side a sec hit, the miners are always inconvenienced as it takes 4 months to fly a hulk well, 4 months of subscription, and its oblitterated by a dude flying a throw away destroyer that requires 2 days effort to train into.
But if you want to continue to say "fit tank mods" then you must mean "Player is responsible" for the result that happens...here please sign this "Un-nerf Titans to January 2012 and make Super Carriers act like after Dominion" so we can get more Whinebears that belive their ****** battleship blobs are supposed to defeat cap ships and they have to take responsibility for losing because they don't have a cap ship of their own. Remember, the player has to take the appropriate actions to not lose...so CCP doesn't have to step in by nerfing them and fix the problem other players will encounter with cap ships.
But you were selectively reading, decided to edit it out the second paragraph and forgot how I suggested you don't give up. BURN THOSE ******* SHIPS AND POD THOSE MINERS! THEY DESERVE TO DIE.
Also, lets get CCP to reduce the extra PG / CPU for other T2 ships to make it difficult to fit 1600mm plates and medium sized guns (not cruiser gun, the middle selection of any gun size. You know, the combat ones that get a really nice damage bonuses AND really nice hitpoints without having to sacrifice for one or the other to much...unless you really want a massive wall of hitpoints for your armor tank but then again you can still fit guns without compromising that much. Miners...will always die to a determined individual...you think 1899 hitpoints to shield with a 37.5% resist bonus to shields isn't a ******* joke? I would never want to structure tank, BECAUSE THATS THE LAST BARRIER.....wait you know what...nerf the **** out of damage controls. Its too over powered, it gives 60% resist T2 for 1 cap while energized nano armor and invulnerables give a fraction of that...plus we need to get people of that ******* crutch so all ships die faster (this is a buff to miners, as they have higher demand for minerals AND a buff to gankers since the hulk will die even faster now! WIN / WIN!!! )
edit: I also have not flown a hulk (didn't lose it as well) since a month before the first hulkageddon was announced, because I know the ship was trash. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
470
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:01:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Aqriue wrote:50 hours to replace a hulk, 5 minutes to replace a destroyer and the only thing that makes it longer is the 15 minute GCC window (you cannot dock, reship, and then undock expecting to warp off - ANY ship you jump into during GCC cannot warp and gets station gunned to death). so yeah, good reason that the hulk could use a buff since its more investment to replace then a destroyer but blows up even fast then it takes to replace a destroyer. lol fit tanking mods to your hulk next time dumbass Or mine aligned. Problems solved.
Zero percent chance of aligning saving you if I am the one ganking. Just saying. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
470
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:05:00 -
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Alxea wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Compared to mining Pyroxers in a covetor. You pull about an extra 5 mil an hour in the hulk (ll 5's) compared to a covetor.
That.s a lot of mining.
So when you get in your Hulk and get ganked for hulkogheddon don't say Uncle Cipher didn't warn you. Have you not mined lately? Trit and other materials are now 2 to 3 times more expensive then they were a few months ago. Means you make about 15 mil to 30 mil an hour depending on your skills by just sitting their afk all day killing a rock that doesn't move. I think isk is getting too easy to make these days. Back in my day hulks cost 400 mill so I wouldn't be complaining about the cost to replace a hulk. But I would be happy to gank it for you. We take a loss too and its just for the kill mail. I can't wait for inferno when they get rid of the dang popup windows that warn you, that you are ganking somebody with no way to turn them off. Finally fixing that in inferno. I'd rather not fight the UI to play a game feature and mechanic.
I clearly mine more than some people read, and I used reading as a prerequisite to mining.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
336
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:40:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Aqriue wrote:50 hours to replace a hulk, 5 minutes to replace a destroyer and the only thing that makes it longer is the 15 minute GCC window (you cannot dock, reship, and then undock expecting to warp off - ANY ship you jump into during GCC cannot warp and gets station gunned to death). so yeah, good reason that the hulk could use a buff since its more investment to replace then a destroyer but blows up even fast then it takes to replace a destroyer. lol fit tanking mods to your hulk next time dumbass Or mine aligned. Problems solved.
Passive alignment doesn't do anything except show your enemy where you want to warp off to. From 0 velocity you will warp in any direction at the same speed. If you meant active alignment, then consider that most miners will not even stop being afk nevermind constantly change flight directions around an asteroid.
c: Pet Peeeeve about passive alignment, too many FCs telling people to passive align to something makes you :c inside.
Ferox #1 |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1118
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:46:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:listening to a guy whine about how a destroyer suicided his hulk is like listening to a guy complain about how it's the belt manufacturer's fault he crapped his own pants. Actually a very good comparison. If we are going to use RL examples, I get kind of tired of the wife beater bullshit myself. "It's your fault I beat you, you know that makes me mad" "I do it because I love you so, so much" Some how it's my fault I got ganked because I didn't tank my hulk when we all know you can't tank a Hulk and worse case scenario the ganker needs to bring 2 Catalysts to kill you.
Just have some fun instead
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6129
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:49:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:If you meant active alignment, then consider that most miners will not even stop being afk nevermind constantly change flight directions around an asteroid. GǪand then consider that it takes a Hulk 7-+ minutes of flying at that speed to fly out of range from an asteroid. That's 2-+ cycles, after which it's probably high time to be at the keyboard and do something about all that cargo anyway. In a fleet, it's even more time and you fill up even more quickly.
There's no need to constantly change directions. Just once every time you fill your cargo hold. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
336
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:01:00 -
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Active Alignment doesn't work either if you are afk until you change directions :| Ferox #1 |
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