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Leaning Bear
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Posted - 2009.01.11 16:42:00 -
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Ignore the murderous actions of The United. Heartless pirates that stake out stargates and just rack up those smartbombs.
Individuals everywhere suffer to these animals, yet no larger fraction dare take them on.
It is a atrocity being ignored by cowardice. If I was a believing man I would call some sort of Fatwah, whatever that is.
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Marduk Kilrathi
Lions Of Judah Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.01.11 18:04:00 -
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Would I be correct in presuming your ship met a premature death at the hand of one of them?
With no disrespect to The United, I suspect the galaxy will ignore them for quite sometime until their operations become significant for a larger entity to deem them worthy of their attention. Until that point, they will continue to operate as they have done since their inception. And you, my friend, I suspect will need to fly with a little more care. |
Chris Liath
Gallente The Vorlon Empire Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.01.11 18:34:00 -
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Still, it is a shame that an entity such as The United prey on the lives of thousands of crewmen, just to loot the little of what's left.
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. |
Vaden Khale
Amarr the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.01.11 20:06:00 -
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Vaden crosses his legs on top of a regal desk, in the stately quarters of his Revelation. He's wearing a comfortable rode while sipping his red wine, not exactly the image of a feared pirate.
Ah, yes, I do so love my home. Personages of all ideals and walks of life come here to be killed...
Now, on to the meat of the matter.
Vaden pulls out a data slate and quickly enters some info.
My records show that you came through our system in a Rifter class frigate and were summarily destroyed, along with your pod. Twice. Well, your unreasonableness to negotiate is obviously the first cause of your demise. Be thankful your small ship likely had little to no crew to fret over the loss of life. As to some larger fraction taking us on, I believe you're a bit behind the times. Silent Scream, Infinite Innovation, and Capital Storm all tried, and all failed. Numerous other entities have attacked us, but those groups were more passersby than an organized attempt to rebut us. Next time, don't try to escape without paying our tariff, and you'll survive. Otherwise, you'll meet the same old end.
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Stitcher
Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection
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Posted - 2009.01.11 20:23:00 -
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Their fault for wanting to kill everyone, your fault for not taking the simple, logical steps that can help you dodge them.
When dealing with capsuleers, you have to prepare for this sort of thing. If you don't, then you lose ships. simple, really. -
Captain Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.01.11 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vaden Khale My records show that you came through our system in a Rifter class frigate and were summarily destroyed, along with your pod. Twice.
You'd think any capsuleer would learn from the first time, especially considering the reputation of the system the united call home. Pilot Leaning Bear, if you feel that it is your calling to do something about this, I suggest you put your ISK where you mouth is. And as Mr. Khale pointed out, you better bring some decent mercenaries. |
3ll3
Gallente Tranquillity Nation
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Posted - 2009.01.11 21:41:00 -
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Look sir you get a warning from concord that you are entering a low level and even a zero level security area, you enter it a t your own risk.
What happens to the crew an dpassangers is your responsibility and your fault if you delibratly enter a low to zero sec space. True some ae'a of low sec thank's to dilagent inderviduals and groups are safer but they are still enter at your own peril type places.
I don't like getting Smart Bombed by a ****y gate camp but it part of life in low and zero security area's where even Concord does not go.
You can whine and winge about it untill your blue in the face, and yeah I hate some the things that happen out there but trust me this wont ever stop, you need to fly smarter and use your head in low to zero sec if you don't your a victim and victims get eaten alive out there.
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Red Katherine
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.01.11 21:56:00 -
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I think you all have grown entirely too callous.
Leaning Bear is not "whining" - he's pointing out something which is eminently true: most pirate organizations that size exist because local capsuleers are too afraid to organize and do something about it. All your warnings about CONCORD low-sec messages and 'fly at your own risk' reminders aren't telling him anything I'm sure he doesn't already know.
Perhaps we should acknowledge the terrible loss of life which these thugs perpetrate and - if Leaning Bear is willing - help him find and organization which attempts to bring law and order to the far reaches of space. Surely this would be more constructive than saying "ooo...lost a ship? suck it up, that's life." |
Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.01.11 23:42:00 -
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Greetings!
We only prey on those stupid enough that they cannot avoid it.
Good day! |
Stitcher
Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection
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Posted - 2009.01.11 23:57:00 -
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Why prey at all, exactly? The downside to smartbombs is that they tend to damage any ship wrecks beyond the point where you could reasonably salvage anything from them, so I have to assume you aren't doing it for the money. And I certainly can't think of a way in which indiscriminate murder would further a given political ambition (unless you're an EoM zealot) which leads me to believe you're doing it purely to watch the pretty lights.
Which is pretty damned contemptible. Not that I expect you to care what I think. -
Captain Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
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Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.01.12 00:03:00 -
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Wrong.
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Stitcher
Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection
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Posted - 2009.01.12 00:37:00 -
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not in the mood for explaining yourself though, I notice.
Oh well, I'm sure the galaxy will keep spinning even if this little engima goes unresolved. |
Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.01.12 01:15:00 -
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Smartbombs don't damage wrecks... Further, smartbombing is profitable because people who think they are invulnerable (shuttles, fast frigs, Interceptors, Covert Ops) carry valuable cargo.
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Inara Subaka
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:14:00 -
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*Inara shakes her head as she opens the channel*
So much inaccuracy in such a short period of time.
Originally by: Chris Liath Still, it is...of what's left.
No, the shame comes in the form of captains, us eggers, that refuse to negotiate for the lives of the crews aboard their vessels. If they would only attempt to be reasonable, there would be no need for picking through the rubble.
Originally by: Stitcher Their fault for wanting to kill everyone...
If that were true, it would be our fault. However, as I have tried to explain many times, we much prefer to negotiate rather than destroy and see what the pickings are (sometimes it is impractical/impossible given different circumstances). However, I believe you were accurate with the rest of your statement here.
Originally by: Red Katherine Perhaps we should...reaches of space.
There is something we agree on, the loss of life (however minimal it would be on a Rifter) is horrible, but there are ways of avoiding that loss. However, I must disagree with your assumption that we are thugs. *gestures to the small be elegant quarters of her station office* Thugs would not appreciate the finer things in life, a bottle of the best brandy made on Caldari Prime, some of the finest silks to ever come from the Federation boarders, and the elegance that inspires an Amarrian carpenter to build such a beautiful and practical desk such as this one.
Originally by: Stitcher Why prey at all, exactly? The downside to smartbombs is that they tend to damage any ship wrecks beyond the point where you could reasonably salvage anything from them, so I have to assume you aren't doing it for the money. And I certainly can't think of a way in which indiscriminate murder would further a given political ambition (unless you're an EoM zealot) which leads me to believe you're doing it purely to watch the pretty lights.
*Inara chuckles*
Perhaps you are using the wrong type of smartbomb, I won't say it's the most profitable thing I've ever done, but occasionally you find a foolish little man that thinks his Ares is immune to anything where there is not a bubble. Perceived invulnerability provides false courage, therefore providing me the occasional stack of blue prints that makes some of my more industrially inclined friends nearly wet themselves.
Though, I won't deny that occasionally the fireworks are soothing *winks with a sadistic grin before quickly regaining her previous composure*.
Originally by: Stitcher Oh well, I'm sure the galaxy will keep spinning even if this little engima goes unresolved.
The galaxies will continue to spin long after this 'enigma' has passed on, and a new one takes it's place. |
Stitcher
Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection
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Posted - 2009.01.13 01:58:00 -
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((Okay, smarbombs don't pop wrecks? That's a stupid game mechanic right there. Having never used SBs for anything other than anti-drone defence, I didn't know that one.
We live and learn))
I know they'll be spinning long after I've stopped caring. For starters, that happened yesterday. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Inara Subaka
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher I know they'll be spinning long after I've stopped caring. For starters, that happened yesterday.
*Inara laughs at Captain Hakatain's words*
Surely you can't think anyone was taking this... interesting person seriously. We all know that, spirits forbid, if the united were ever displaced, it would only be for another group to fill the void. And who's to say they would be as straight forward in their negotiations and handling of the area?
Originally by: Stitcher ((Okay, smarbombs don't pop wrecks? That's a stupid game mechanic right there. Having never used SBs for anything other than anti-drone defence, I didn't know that one.
((I rather like that particular mechanic, especially when there are dozens of frigs warping in rapid succession ))
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A Soporific
Caldari Venom Pointe Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:54:00 -
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To be fair, negotiation is often a very limited tool. After asking around the reputation of "the united" came out as "somewhat patchy" on the scale. This might mean that less familiar individuals probably would be concerned that negations are not in good faith. Additionally, often times in my experience the initial offer bear little resemblance to what is actually risked, acceptance of an offer requires both sides coming out ahead. Exorbitant initial offers with no option for counter offer or offer modification creates circumstances where resources are destroyed altogether.
In any event, in response to pilot Leaning Bear, there is no reason for most people to put the time and effort into destroying that particular pirate organization. Only when "the united" provides reason for pilots to organize against them or attracts the ire of larger organizations would action against them occur.
In final comments, I find that pirates and goons are more likely to suffer capsuleer dementia than other segments of the pod pilot community. The question is, do these organizations promote capusleer dementia or do pilots with capsuleer dementia gravitate to these organizations? *** Wisdom. Justice. Moderation. |
Graelyn
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 02:56:00 -
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Quote: How long can the Galaxy ignore the murderous actions of The United.
Indefinitely. |
Jonny Damordred
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.01.14 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Quote: How long can the Galaxy ignore the murderous actions of The United.
Indefinitely.
*Chuckles* Old man Graelyn is on a roll tonight.
Cheers, Jonny D. |
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