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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2008.12.20 22:08:00 -
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LINKZ
Discuss
kkthnx
Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.20 22:22:00 -
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With that, as of right now, anyone I find in life threatening duress is officially ****ed. You don't exist to me. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.12.20 22:28:00 -
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So wait.. you can probably be arrested and face prison time for not helping in such a situation.. if the person was seriously injured and you were in a position to help Catch 22 ? -----------
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Kullsa Uckfa
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.12.20 23:00:00 -
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How on earth do you help someone so hard that they become a paraplegic?
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.12.20 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kullsa Uckfa How on earth do you help someone so hard that they become a paraplegic?
Maybe spine damage from the crash, then moving her about damaged the spinal cord. Or maybe she would have been paraplegic anyway and is just being a greedy *****.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.20 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 20/12/2008 23:40:36
Originally by: Brea Lafail
Originally by: Kullsa Uckfa How on earth do you help someone so hard that they become a paraplegic?
Maybe spine damage from the crash, then moving her about damaged the spinal cord. Or maybe she would have been paraplegic anyway and is just being a greedy *****.
Spot on. If a vertebrae has been damaged in the crash, then moving the person can easily result in injury to the spinal cord. You should always try to avoid moving a person that has been involved in blunt trauma unless it's strictly necessary. It might be the case that you have to move him/her anyway if the patient has other injuries that have a higher priority (like severe bleeding or if the patient isn't breathing) or if he/she has to be moved because of external risk factors (like if the car is about to catch fire, or if the car is in a ditch and the water is rising etc).
In fact, if possible (and if you have the training) you should try to stabilize the neck, secure breathing, protect the victim from the environment and then wait until the paramedics arrive with the proper gear (cervical collar, scoop stretcher/spineboard, vacuum mattress etc). ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
ReaperOfSly
Gallente Zetsubou Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.20 23:46:00 -
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Imagine if the car HAD exploded before the paramedics arrived? I bet this woman wouldn't be suing this guy in that case. By the way, am I the only one who hates the term "good samaritan"? ____________________
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Ivana Drake
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Posted - 2008.12.20 23:51:00 -
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Sorry, I can't help you out of that burning car since I'm not properly trained, and wouldn't want to injure you!
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.20 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly Imagine if the car HAD exploded before the paramedics arrived? I bet this woman wouldn't be suing this guy in that case. By the way, am I the only one who hates the term "good samaritan"?
Cars generally don't explode unless you pack them with explosives and detonate them (in some way, like firing an RPG into it for example). It might have caught on fire, but cars generally don't explode outside the big screen. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.12.20 23:57:00 -
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
I hate how litigious this society has become.
Also, yes, I'm pretty sure you can be charged with negligence for not trying to help someone (although I think that calling the proper authorities and then standing back would not count as negligence). This is rediculous though. Any person should have the decency to not sue someone who tried to help them in an extreme situation. __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Black Plague. Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 21/12/2008 00:13:45
Originally by: ReaperOfSly ...am I the only one who hates the term "good samaritan"?
Racist. What, a samaritan can't be a good person?
As for the article.
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel It might have caught on fire, but cars generally don't explode outside the big screen.
This. The person being sued was an idiot.
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.12.21 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel It might have caught on fire, but cars generally don't explode outside the big screen.
This. The person being sued was an idiot.
Airbags tend to release a plume of smoke when they go off. I know at least one person that got cut up pretty good when someone saw the smoke and decided to drag her out through a broken window.
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MooKids
Caldari Dark Echo Engineering
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Posted - 2008.12.21 01:25:00 -
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Irony would be that she wins the case, then on the way home, gets in another accident and only that guy is around to save her. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Kessiaan
Minmatar Army of One
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Posted - 2008.12.21 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly Imagine if the car HAD exploded before the paramedics arrived? I bet this woman wouldn't be suing this guy in that case. By the way, am I the only one who hates the term "good samaritan"?
Exactly. These kinds of lawsuits are the reason nobody will stop to help anyone who's in a life-threatening situation (like the guy who fell off a bridge and got bounced all over a freeway a few months back, was the topic of the day on CNN for a bit). Even if you could do something to help, why would you? You're just exposing yourself to a huge risk for no benefit - you don't know the guy. ... besides, I've said all I'm going to say. You're reading my sig now! Bwa!
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Dred 'Morte
New European Regiment R.U.R.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 01:55:00 -
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Cars do not explode, ever! It's impossible for a car to explode. Ignite, yes. Fuel burns. But it does not explode! Only on the big screen.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente El Bastardos
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Posted - 2008.12.21 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids Irony would be that she wins the case, then on the way home, gets in another accident and only that guy is around to save her.
and then leaves her.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.21 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 21/12/2008 02:46:03 Edited by: Super Whopper on 21/12/2008 02:40:59
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: MooKids Irony would be that she wins the case, then on the way home, gets in another accident and only that guy is around to save her.
and then leaves her.
Epic win for the guy, but then she'll go to prison if she dies and he doesn't help.
Quote: At the time of the accident, Torti and Van Horn, both make-up artists, were acquaintances at work. They had been drinking with a group of friends and left a bar in suburban Chatsworth after a Halloween party, according to court papers.
The woman was drunk and is now suing someone for helping her. I think I'll go to McDonalds now and spill some tea or coffee on myself.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Black Plague. Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 21/12/2008 02:52:15
Originally by: Super Whopper Edited by: Super Whopper on 21/12/2008 02:47:33
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: MooKids Irony would be that she wins the case, then on the way home, gets in another accident and only that guy is around to save her.
and then leaves her.
Epic win for the guy, but then she'll go to prison if she dies and he doesn't help.
They send dead people to prison now? For the crime of dying?
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Quote: At the time of the accident, Torti and Van Horn, both make-up artists, were acquaintances at work. They had been drinking with a group of friends and left a bar in suburban Chatsworth after a Halloween party, according to court papers.
The woman was drunk or somewhat intoxicated and is now suing someone for helping her. I think I'll go to the local bar, drink myself stupid and step out in front of a bus. If I survive I'll sue the bus driver.
Well considering the person who 'rescued' her was also drinking (possibly drunk). Good reading skills though, you are about equal with most the people commenting on the article.
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.21 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula They send dead people to prison now? For the crime of dying?
I just read what I'd written and I can honestly say I have no idea what I was trying to say. I can't even remember typing that, it was someone else I swear. Now time to call my lawyer! I WILL SUE YOU ALL!1!!1
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WhiteSavage
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: WhiteSavage on 21/12/2008 08:16:05
Originally by: Dred 'Morte Cars do not explode, ever! It's impossible for a car to explode. Ignite, yes. Fuel burns. But it does not explode! Only on the big screen.
You fail at life.
Car exploding AMAZING |
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Black Plague. Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 21/12/2008 08:31:18
Originally by: WhiteSavage Edited by: WhiteSavage on 21/12/2008 08:16:05
Originally by: Dred 'Morte Cars do not explode, ever! It's impossible for a car to explode. Ignite, yes. Fuel burns. But it does not explode! Only on the big screen.
You fail at life.
Car exploding
Car didn't explode. It is obviously intact (even continues driving). Fuel ignited though.
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.21 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSavage You fail at life.
Car exploding
That are some quite unusual circumstances. Afaik the only way something like that could happen is if the second car violently mixed the air, the fuel achieved ideal air/fuel mixture and then a flame ignited it. Usually gasoline either gets ventilated out or burns out without ever achieving ideal mixture.
P.S: LP Gas on the other hand is an entirely different thing. Your average trailer park is IMHO a deathtrap. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
Valan
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.12.21 10:56:00 -
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REcently a stolen car hit a wall and burst into flames instantly and icnerated everyone in it. I've see cars catch fire and they burn really quick.
Having siad that get out of the car get clear pretend to pass out and leave the ***** to burn. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig |
Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
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Posted - 2008.12.21 11:26:00 -
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The principle behind a law like this is not wrong, as long as the Courts apply it in a "common-sense" manner -
That is to say, someone who recklessly/carelessly charges in and attends to someone and unintentionally makes their injury worse, say perhaps by taking off a motor-cyclists helemt and injuring his neck/spine further in the process, might be liable in a particular circumstance. The difficulty is in deciding when the good samartitans actions are negligent. It is easy to say in any given situation (maybe in the m/c helemt example I gave) that you should know better than to do something in a particular situation, but not everyone would in fact know what not to do, and making findings of fault and the publicity that can get can indeed put off people trying to help.
So all in all, IMHO the Courts should look for a "higher degree" of negligence, perhaps bordering on recklessness, before finding fault in "good samaritan" cases.
One thing that really "gets my goat" is that employees in elderly persons' rest-homes are specifically instructed not to try to catch an old person who might fall, in case that employee hurts their back doing so and sues their employer for putting them in that situation (an unsafe working environment). The reasoning is old folks with a tendency to fall should have carers specially instructed (in how to catch them) allocated to attend to them.
But I ask you, in that situation, if an old person unbalanced right in front of you and was about to tumble, what would you do, and how would you feel if you did'nt catch them?
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.12.21 12:01:00 -
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A "good" samaritan! -------------
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.21 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 21/12/2008 13:47:27 According to the laws if you do not have a duty to act then you can not be held responsible for not acting. But then again we see how the courts are currently feeling as if they have the right to change the laws as it has to do with an individual that decides to act when they have no duty. Since the age of 15 I have been trained as a first responder and I have been the first on the scene of 3 accidents when I was in civilian mode, at least I had the training to be able to act properly
Well, all I have to say is that this judge needs to be slapped in the face. The slipper slop we slide down. I hope all are securely fastened into their seats for it is going to be a bumpy ride.
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Originally by: Haldane IV The difficulty is in deciding when the good samartitans actions are negligent.
The definition of negligence requires that a person has a duty to act, which no good Samaritan has.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Antiochus Laetus
Gallente Nox Aeternu
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Antiochus Laetus on 21/12/2008 14:29:57
Originally by: KingsGambit A "good" samaritan!
That was good.
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Shirley Serious
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.21 15:12:00 -
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the first link is pretty vague on the details.
Like, where was the car? was it ****ing petrol everywhere? stuff like that. i.e. was there an actual danger? If it was still on the road, then it's dangerous, because some numbnut would drive along and plough into it, for example.
But anyway, this puts me into an awkward situation. I carry a couple fire extinguishers in my car. Primarily for me/my passengers to use on my car. I've used one on someone else's vehicle, because I came across an accident once, on an otherwise deserted road, in a rural area. But I'm not a firefighter or paramedic.
So what do I do now, should I come across an accident in a rural area? If the vehicle is beginning to burn, and I injure someone getting them out, I could be sued? But if I attempt to extinguish the fire, but fail to do so, then there probably wouldn't be enough time to get the person out, and they'd burn. And I'd get sued for not getting them out.
So, you should just call the fire brigade and otherwise do nothing?
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.21 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious So, you should just call the fire brigade and otherwise do nothing?
Now you know how CCP felt like during the many fiasco's that its suffered lately. -
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.21 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious the first link is pretty vague on the details.
Like, where was the car? was it ****ing petrol everywhere? stuff like that. i.e. was there an actual danger? If it was still on the road, then it's dangerous, because some numbnut would drive along and plough into it, for example.
But anyway, this puts me into an awkward situation. I carry a couple fire extinguishers in my car. Primarily for me/my passengers to use on my car. I've used one on someone else's vehicle, because I came across an accident once, on an otherwise deserted road, in a rural area. But I'm not a firefighter or paramedic.
So what do I do now, should I come across an accident in a rural area? If the vehicle is beginning to burn, and I injure someone getting them out, I could be sued? But if I attempt to extinguish the fire, but fail to do so, then there probably wouldn't be enough time to get the person out, and they'd burn. And I'd get sued for not getting them out.
So, you should just call the fire brigade and otherwise do nothing?
If the car is burning (or if it's leaking fuel and something nearby is burning), then you'd have to have the most braindead judge alive for him to not throw the case out of court. The only possible way to get sued (successfully) in these cases is if they can prove you made the situation worse. If they're breathing, not bleeding and they're not in any immediate physical danger the best you can do is to call 911, put up warning triangles (100m/300 feet up traffic) and stay put (protect them from the cold if it's cold outside). If they're in danger, take action.
It's as simple as that (or it should be). ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
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