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ALTno6
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Posted - 2008.12.15 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: ALTno6 on 15/12/2008 08:40:47 just curious if i move to a 0.0 corp i might have to give up my high sec mission running, so how much isk and hour ratting in ur own system with like a bc or bs ratting ,is it possable to make 1 mill every 5 min, or 50m in 2-3 h?????
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Buga Buga
Hi-Techx Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.15 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Buga Buga on 15/12/2008 08:55:46 Depends on the ship(s), the rats and the way you make the chain... but yeah, it's possible to get that kind of money :P
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ALTno6
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Posted - 2008.12.15 09:15:00 -
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so can anyone give me a scenario on whats needed to make 50m 2-3h? like ship and diffuculty ill give some isk for good easy awsners
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Calduin
Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises B.L.A.C.K.
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Posted - 2008.12.15 10:08:00 -
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in raven. 8 belt system average 5 belts with spawns, 5 3xbs spawns, each bs worth 1mil, takes 10min to kill each spawn, 5 spawns 3mil each 15mil in hr.
in low true sec .70-1.0 0.0 space bs can spawn up to 1.85mil. 3x 1.85=5.5mil each spawn. get 5 of em in the 8 belt system= 27.5m/hr.
at least thats usually how much i make. my raven on dishes out like 435 dps, more often like 300dps after the rats defenders kill off 25% of that. it's possible to get higher then this and go thru spawns in 5 minutes making double of what I do.
I also loot and salvage with second account, and since i'm fighting angels i get like 2-3mil extra each spawn from that. thats another 10-15mil per hour.
if you get a drone boat second account that can loot and salvage it's possible to make like 50-60/hr.
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Copying Machine
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Posted - 2008.12.15 10:58:00 -
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A decent ratter in a good ship ratting in a good chainlinked drone system can make 40 mil per hour, without much trouble - or at least could a month ago.
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Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 12:12:00 -
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Multiple Variants:
* True System Security - the lower, the better, cause higher reward Rat BSs spawn only in really low sec systems for you to farm/chain.
* Pirate Race: this affects dmg type weaknesses, range of engagement etc...all kinds of stuff that affect your effective dps and efficiency.
* Hostile activity: when the bad guys come and go your farming efficiency is slowed down.
* Access to Empire Space: the occasional named or faction drop will require u hauling goods for sale in empire space - unless you will find neighbors willing to buy them, or you fit your faction drops yourself. No sells = no profit out of those modules. Off course not all 0.0 Ratters loot n salvage their wrecks, still huge amounts of "stuff" can be stacked this way, equaling to at least 50% of the initial bounty rewards. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game! |
KInkamache
Caldari Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2008.12.15 15:00:00 -
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In o.o with a good raven fit up for ratting you should be able to make anywhere between 40 to 50 mill. The only problem there is how secure is the system for you to rat, remember when u head into 0.0 there is not concord to save you. Also there are gangs in o.o fit up just to hunt ratters. IN 0.0 there are other ways to make Isk, explorations are a good way, or even a good officer spawn will make u Billions.
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ALTno6
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:46:00 -
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tks for all the imput ive got a exploration plan i only got 30 or so days left on it but i also wanted to branch out this mission running stuff is getting boring but tks again
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Tandin
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: ALTno6 tks for all the imput ive got a exploration plan i only got 30 or so days left on it but i also wanted to branch out this mission running stuff is getting boring but tks again
If all you do is rat constantly it gets boring very quickly although it is very lucrative.
If you expand to mix it up with exploration sites and complexes it adds a lot of variety and you can rake in some serious ISK. All of this excludes faction/deadspace/officer droppings that are random but you'll hit periodically in the process.
Assuming you did it 5 hours per day, every day you could easily clear a billion per week. This, of course, assumes that no reds/neuts enter the system and your corp/alliance doesn't shoot you for not helping defend the space.
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BlondieBC
Minmatar Ardent Industrial Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.17 01:56:00 -
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With a max skill raven pilot and good chains in uber 0.0, i can make 30m per hour on good days.
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Koloch
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.17 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Koloch on 17/12/2008 04:11:10 Just also bare in mind that there's a thing called competition in null sec and everyone wants the lowest true sec systems. Worst systems in null sec will pay less then 10 mil /hour, the best systems you're looking at 40-60 or more depending on your luck (officer spawns) but you have to be extremely lucky to get into a -1.0 system without someone trying to kill you or take your spawns.
Also the only way you are going to get triple 1+ mil BS spawns in 5 out of 8 belts is by chaining the spawn which can take a lot of time. Good systems might do this, but read above.
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Durethia
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: ALTno6 Edited by: ALTno6 on 15/12/2008 08:40:47 just curious if i move to a 0.0 corp i might have to give up my high sec mission running, so how much isk and hour ratting in ur own system with like a bc or bs ratting ,is it possable to make 1 mill every 5 min, or 50m in 2-3 h?????
If you have access to triple 1.8 spawns, you can make a lot of isk in a short period of time. I do not have a lot of skills in "Social" trained up. Only Social to like 3, Connections to 2 or something ridiculous like that. With that said, for me, running lvl 4s is purely for LP for faction ammo as there is literally no money to be made running missions when compared to 0.0 ratting. The worst place to rat, Syndicate for having the most pathetic spawns in all of eve, will render 10 times the amount of money I can make running a single lvl 4 mission in half the time. I often equate the money I can make on a lvl 4 to, jump into one 0.0 system, kill just three 500k battleships, and dock up for about an hour.
Meanwhile, ratting in 0.0, you don't dock up for an hour. You pop triple 1.8s back to back, non-stop. You can make over 100 million isk easily. Not to mention special spawns like officer spawns, faction spawns or hauler spawns that show up on occasion.
When I used to rat in deep 0.0, people often liked to get a Iteron V and just follow me around picking up loot. One person made over 90 million in the loot alone (I never pick up loot unless it's a faction/officer spawn). That means if I had my own alt, non-stop ratting would produce about 250-350 million isk easily within a 5-8 hours of ratting without having hit a faction spawn.
Granted, if you have great Social skills (no pun intended), the you can make a lot of money in loot and rewards from doing missions. But, it does stand well, to say you can make a healthy fortune off of ratting in 0.0 alone. Many people make their fortunes this way, but it does require nice 0.0 access. Nice enough where just one decent system will be valuable negotiation leverage; were nice 'areas' of ratting are enough to justify alliance wars.
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.17 20:30:00 -
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Durethia: So you make 100-200m in 20-30 Minutes? In Syndicate that is....And thats average with the stupid and not worthwhile missions, too, without loot and with low social skills, too...
As being similar boring I'd prefer L4 Missions over 0.0 ratting in non profitable systems...good ratting spots are a different matter ofc
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Kantress
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:45:00 -
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Could someone explain what 'chaining' is, exactly?
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Kask Aledrought
Gallente Forging Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.18 21:21:00 -
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Chain ratting means destroying the full spawn of rats except for one. This way, the same rats you destroyed will respawn after some minutes. If the rats you destroyed had a nice bounty you can "farm" those rats to reearn their bounty.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kantress Could someone explain what 'chaining' is, exactly?
Chaining goes hand in hand with pruning. First, pruning: you kill off every non-triple BS spawn.
Chaining: For the triple BS spawns, you make sure you leave one of the small ships alive (so if the spawn is 3x BS, 2x frigates, make sure you leave one of the frigates alive). After 15 minutes or so, the ships you killed will respawn. For ease of marking, give the frigate some armor damage - they don't repair this and you can tell which spawns are good that way.
Once you have enough triple BS spawns, you can start killing the lowest bounty ones. With extended ratting time and proper chaining, you can make a lot of ISK. One session, I hauled in 1.2 billion worth of alloys in 20 hours worth of ratting in Drone Space. I hated life afterwards, but it was nice to make some really good ISK. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome. |
Kantress
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Posted - 2008.12.19 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: FT Diomedes
Originally by: Kantress Could someone explain what 'chaining' is, exactly?
Chaining goes hand in hand with pruning. First, pruning: you kill off every non-triple BS spawn.
Chaining: For the triple BS spawns, you make sure you leave one of the small ships alive (so if the spawn is 3x BS, 2x frigates, make sure you leave one of the frigates alive). After 15 minutes or so, the ships you killed will respawn. For ease of marking, give the frigate some armor damage - they don't repair this and you can tell which spawns are good that way.
Once you have enough triple BS spawns, you can start killing the lowest bounty ones. With extended ratting time and proper chaining, you can make a lot of ISK. One session, I hauled in 1.2 billion worth of alloys in 20 hours worth of ratting in Drone Space. I hated life afterwards, but it was nice to make some really good ISK.
So, they spawn in sets, and the set will regenerate if it is not wiped out? Does the same hold true for sets with a commander rat in it? If not, it would seem more efficient to just clear belts completely as I have been doing.
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Ralarina
Caldari Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.12.19 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: ALTno6 so can anyone give me a scenario on whats needed to make 50m 2-3h? like ship and diffuculty ill give some isk for good easy awsners
It's possible although it will depend on how many times you get interrupted.
A MWD torp raven can do about 24-25m isk an hour (up to 30 but that's incredibly rare) if you have good spawns and a system to yourself (say, 8-13 belts that you can just run through over and over... or chain if you like, but I prefer clearing all belts). -- Ralara's Alt (due to Forum ban) |
Ralarina
Caldari Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.12.19 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kantress
Originally by: FT Diomedes
Originally by: Kantress Could someone explain what 'chaining' is, exactly?
Chaining goes hand in hand with pruning. First, pruning: you kill off every non-triple BS spawn.
Chaining: For the triple BS spawns, you make sure you leave one of the small ships alive (so if the spawn is 3x BS, 2x frigates, make sure you leave one of the frigates alive). After 15 minutes or so, the ships you killed will respawn. For ease of marking, give the frigate some armor damage - they don't repair this and you can tell which spawns are good that way.
Once you have enough triple BS spawns, you can start killing the lowest bounty ones. With extended ratting time and proper chaining, you can make a lot of ISK. One session, I hauled in 1.2 billion worth of alloys in 20 hours worth of ratting in Drone Space. I hated life afterwards, but it was nice to make some really good ISK.
So, they spawn in sets, and the set will regenerate if it is not wiped out? Does the same hold true for sets with a commander rat in it? If not, it would seem more efficient to just clear belts completely as I have been doing.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=682429 -- Ralara's Alt (due to Forum ban) |
Vupri
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.19 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: ALTno6 Edited by: ALTno6 on 15/12/2008 08:40:47 just curious if i move to a 0.0 corp i might have to give up my high sec mission running, so how much isk and hour ratting in ur own system with like a bc or bs ratting ,is it possable to make 1 mill every 5 min, or 50m in 2-3 h?????
If you find a good system to rat, you can make MUCH more than just that. You have to chain up the rats properly though.
For example, when this system was properly chained up (there were 2-3 others ratting it too). I made 9-11M in bounties every 20 minutes easily, combine that with the occasional faction/officer spawn it makes it worth it. Find a good system (make sure the true sec is very low), and rat to your hearts content. Good luck and happy hunting.
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Kantress
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Posted - 2008.12.19 18:33:00 -
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Ahh, thanks! That was a helpful guide!
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Bager Gray
Gallente The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.19 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Bager Gray on 19/12/2008 22:57:51 Edited by: Bager Gray on 19/12/2008 22:55:24
I was using a deimos out near serpentis prime and making over a billion in 5 days of light ratting.
EDIT: It was actualy closer to 1.5 from bounties and more from seeding officers
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Abyss Wyrm
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.20 02:24:00 -
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To much factors in 0.0 to count mid income. In highsecs you simply ca run mission 23/7. And any time you log in you wont encounter any obstacles (left alone wardecs and suicide gankers). In 0.0 you cant ever predict what you'll encounter there. Its good for income if you actualy live there, if you going to get ISK for PvP. Otherwise, if 0.0 PvP not your end goal, you better focus on l5s or FW missioning.
Exploration a bit safer... provides you know (and follow) all rules of "Cat and mouse" play, while exploring in 0.0 But also more complex...
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mortitia sith
The Adamite Inheritance
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Posted - 2008.12.20 04:04:00 -
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well , considering youre able to kill bs with just a retribution ,
anything better then an af will net you isks
just consider which npc s you re going againsts
for resistanses and armor
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.12.20 09:53:00 -
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You're better off doing L4's for income, it is more stable....
Chaining can theoretically gain you higher income than L4's in high-sec, but not if you take the following into account: 1. Time spent hiding from hostiles 2. Time spent hauling loot/ammo and replacement ships 3. Time spent getting the chain up and running 4. Time spent going back and forth
L4's in high-sec are non-stop and immediate, you don't lose ships (unless you're a complete tool), shops are next door....
Use a jump-clone to get between your 0.0 place and your mission system...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Kantress
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Posted - 2008.12.20 14:37:00 -
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I have a question. Could I feasibly use a Vexor to kill stuff in 0.0? If not, what about a Vexor Navy Issue? Or, would I need a Myrmidon?
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Losephos Di
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Posted - 2008.12.20 15:44:00 -
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I've never tried just a vexor in 0.0. But the myridon or whatever it is called can do it fine.. The only thing that used to give me problems were officer spawns.. And even then I can take care of those. Just would use both reppers =)
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2008.12.20 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kantress I have a question. Could I feasibly use a Vexor to kill stuff in 0.0? If not, what about a Vexor Navy Issue? Or, would I need a Myrmidon?
Fit some blasters and some decent DPS drones and orbit close with an AB and you can take 1/2 battleship spawns. I wouldn't suggest a Navy Issue though. The whole point of 0.0 ratting in a Vexor is, if you're efficient with your fit, it only takes a couple BS bounties to completely recover the loss of your ship and modules (after insurance). If you're going to bother with a navy issue Vexor, you might as well just bring a Dominix.
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Opertone
Caldari SIEGE.
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Posted - 2008.12.20 17:39:00 -
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if you are smart, very, you can use mega powah supah torpedo raven with cheapskate fit, fully insured and do chaining all alone in he system, then when the chains are charging do all anomalies you can find, have a cloak, and when about to finish break all the chains, i.e. finish them and hope a commander NPC spawn.
smart megah powah torp raven knows that for every good anomaly you get 33% chance for a faction rat and 10% to get something over 50 mill in the anomaly, so to say run 10 and DG large shield booster, low grade crystal beta is yours!
and don't forget chineese power
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Kantress
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Posted - 2008.12.20 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame
Originally by: Kantress I have a question. Could I feasibly use a Vexor to kill stuff in 0.0? If not, what about a Vexor Navy Issue? Or, would I need a Myrmidon?
Fit some blasters and some decent DPS drones and orbit close with an AB and you can take 1/2 battleship spawns. I wouldn't suggest a Navy Issue though. The whole point of 0.0 ratting in a Vexor is, if you're efficient with your fit, it only takes a couple BS bounties to completely recover the loss of your ship and modules (after insurance). If you're going to bother with a navy issue Vexor, you might as well just bring a Dominix.
The Vexor Navy Issue is still a cruiser, and, as such, is much faster than a battleship. If I can find a system almost no one goes in, though, I guess I would be better off with a BC or BS. Low-sec is a lot busier, though, and I really need faster ships there when ratting.
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