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Nik W
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Posted - 2009.01.05 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Esha Latang Imho if the exploit was there then they shouldn't have been punished for using it. If you discover one day that your ISK doubles by undocking, targeting a sentry gun, then redocking, what are you gonna do? Go run to CCP and tell them its happening? No, you're gonna keep doing it. The level of technology used to make Eve just means someone isn't doing their job correctly if things are allowed to continue.
Finding players had done this for four years would have been major egg on CCP's face, and instead of just tucking their tail between their legs and fixing it, and simply preventing the exploiters from continuing, they decide (unjustly I feel) to punish those responsible.
Eve is not a simple game. You can play it with varying levels of understanding, ranging from the very little. A total green noob can do anything he wants, target other players, etc, but he learns when he pulls that trigger that Concord is not very sympathetic. But what if said noob mines an asteroid and gets double the yield? Would he even know he was getting more than he was supposed to? So then he carries on doing this for four years and then gets an instant ban. Ridiculous.
However, if these exploits were used by developers who knew about them, then they should face a ban and dismissal from CCP. Imho I don't think developers (or anyone who works for CCP) should be permitted to have a standard player account. That would put an end to the real exploiters, and those with the clear advantage on the game.
There's a fairly large difference between a noob miner getting double yield and this exploit. If you are able to set up a POS in 0.0 and keep it there for any sort of reasonable time, you are decidedly not a noob.
These guys knew what they were doing. They knew it was cheating. CCP should track down all their alts, ban their credit card numbers, and make it as hard as possible for them to return. If they work for CCP they should be fired.
No sympathy for blatant cheaters.
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.05 18:02:00 -
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ah! the famous Troll defense! When you absolutely no basis for why you dislike someone's idea or opinion.. call them a troll..
Played like a true master. It's right up there with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up5dt_PK_7c
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Dr Westler
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Posted - 2009.01.05 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher Xarosa, please don't feed the Troll. It just keeps him from his real job of goose-stepping around the french frier at McDonalds.
Er... lol n00b?
I don't really know what else to say, since your post is pathetic at best and more akin to a troll than to what you refer.
Irony at its best.
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Xarosa
Minmatar Red.
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Posted - 2009.01.05 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Esha Latang Finding players had done this for four years would have been major egg on CCP's face, and instead of just tucking their tail between their legs and fixing it, and simply preventing the exploiters from continuing, they decide (unjustly I feel) to punish those responsible.
Eve is not a simple game. You can play it with varying levels of understanding, ranging from the very little. A total green noob can do anything he wants, target other players, etc, but he learns when he pulls that trigger that Concord is not very sympathetic. But what if said noob mines an asteroid and gets double the yield? Would he even know he was getting more than he was supposed to? So then he carries on doing this for four years and then gets an instant ban. Ridiculous.
I disagree. CCP do state that those found making use of exploits within EvE will be punished (see here) and appeal to all players who discover such exploits to contact them (see here). With this in mind, to further benefit the entire game universe, these exploits should be reported instead of taken advantage of. It's the players fault for making use of an exploit in EvE, not CCP's fault for overlooking a problem with their game code.
We all know what will happen if we get caught cheating, so why do it in the first place? Stands to reason and should be common sense.
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.06 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Xarosa
Originally by: Esha Latang Finding players had done this for four years would have been major egg on CCP's face, and instead of just tucking their tail between their legs and fixing it, and simply preventing the exploiters from continuing, they decide (unjustly I feel) to punish those responsible.
Eve is not a simple game. You can play it with varying levels of understanding, ranging from the very little. A total green noob can do anything he wants, target other players, etc, but he learns when he pulls that trigger that Concord is not very sympathetic. But what if said noob mines an asteroid and gets double the yield? Would he even know he was getting more than he was supposed to? So then he carries on doing this for four years and then gets an instant ban. Ridiculous.
I disagree. CCP do state that those found making use of exploits within EvE will be punished (see here) and appeal to all players who discover such exploits to contact them (see here). With this in mind, to further benefit the entire game universe, these exploits should be reported instead of taken advantage of. It's the players fault for making use of an exploit in EvE, not CCP's fault for overlooking a problem with their game code.
We all know what will happen if we get caught cheating, so why do it in the first place? Stands to reason and should be common sense.
The fact that CCP makes an attempt to seek out cheaters does not preclude CCP from being involved in "exploits" that would benefit them. The measure is not what has been done, but what is done by CCP this time and the next. Their EULA much like most games.. gives them pretty broad and flexible options, where we the customer are left with only a few options.
But ok..lets give it the benefit of the doubt for a second..lets just say that these 70 people are not alts of any of the big 3..they put up multiple stations and somehow kept a stationary object out of the the big 3 corps cross hairs.. they had no probs with marauding pirates in all that time..the coders honestly missed this "bug" through the 30 odd patches a year x 1-4 years.. Let us say that all that is the truth.
We are still left with one hard fact. Anyone who can balance a checkbook would have been able to see the huge discrepancy of fuel consumed vs produced materials.
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Plundaar
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.06 02:22:00 -
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http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2608&tid=1
Read the update.
1: they're looking at starbase data to determine who has been exploiting and for how long. I can only hope that this includes direct trades to primary characters who use said materials.
2: Holiday vacations? Why do we need to know you're going to stop to take a vacation? Did they return to the case or not?
3: Old petitions are accessable? They can't find it, please petition? Well if the account is banned how would they do that?
4: We haven't seen any new updates on this even if we were promised them since 12/19/2008 Hopefully we'll get one after a month of investigation has completed.
5: Nobody knew about it? I thought that some dev's were in some of the corps out there... Are you sure that no csm and dev were in those corps?
6: Updates prior to conclusion would be a must here.
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Mint Royale
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.01.06 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Plundaar
5: Nobody knew about it? I thought that some dev's were in some of the corps out there... Are you sure that no csm and dev were in those corps?
Everybody knows that all the Devs are playing in BoB - and as BoB didn't exploit the Ferrogel-POS-thingy CCP didn't find out until now :P
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Rob Helle
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Posted - 2009.01.06 08:17:00 -
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Urus,
Good conspiracy theory but a bit flawed. If CCP wanted to make more money the could A) increase subscriptions or B) Program a method of introducing ISK into the game that users couldn't see or make the method legal (they set the rules). Both of these would be much easier than creating an exploit that users could see and have concerns about. This at best is poor programming and failure of quality control at worst an individual programmer trying to make money and I'm sure CCP will act accordingly if it is.
Esha,
I agree that CCP employees should not have normal access to tranquility especially the developers, it is open to abuse. On the other side of the coin just because you are an employee of a company should you be banned from using that product, I'm an employee of a car company and it would be a pain if I wasn't allowed to purchase the product. I'm not sure what the solution is for this.
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Xarosa
Minmatar Red.
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Posted - 2009.01.06 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mint Royale
Everybody knows that all the Devs are playing in BoB - and as BoB didn't exploit the Ferrogel-POS-thingy CCP didn't find out until now :P
I don't think for 1 second if a player discovered an exploit and shared their findings with an EvE GM/Dev that exploit would be exploitable for very long. Especially with something as lucrative as moongate.
Yes, a lot of peoople are looking for heads to roll but they have already rolled and some may still roll during the course of current investigations. Let's leave it CCP to be the judge on this.
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Tarke
Mercurialis Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.01.06 13:51:00 -
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So what was the issue? They were getting more stuff then they should had? |
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.06 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rob Helle Urus,
Good conspiracy theory but a bit flawed. If CCP wanted to make more money the could A) increase subscriptions or B) Program a method of introducing ISK into the game that users couldn't see or make the method legal (they set the rules). Both of these would be much easier than creating an exploit that users could see and have concerns about. This at best is poor programming and failure of quality control at worst an individual programmer trying to make money and I'm sure CCP will act accordingly if it is.
Esha,
I agree that CCP employees should not have normal access to tranquility especially the developers, it is open to abuse. On the other side of the coin just because you are an employee of a company should you be banned from using that product, I'm an employee of a car company and it would be a pain if I wasn't allowed to purchase the product. I'm not sure what the solution is for this.
umm it wasn't seen for 1-4 years .. I am betting on closer to 4. And increasing the subscription rate will not gain any new players quickly.. So they keep it cheap. Intro a way to "legally" trade GTCs.. then expose this "exploit" as a way to raise prices throughout the game.
If isk goes up.. more people will consider buying GTCs to trade. It is the same principle of devaluing a currency..
Which is where I think our economist comes in ;)
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.06 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Xarosa
Originally by: Mint Royale
Everybody knows that all the Devs are playing in BoB - and as BoB didn't exploit the Ferrogel-POS-thingy CCP didn't find out until now :P
I don't think for 1 second if a player discovered an exploit and shared their findings with an EvE GM/Dev that exploit would be exploitable for very long. Especially with something as lucrative as moongate.
Yes, a lot of peoople are looking for heads to roll but they have already rolled and some may still roll during the course of current investigations. Let's leave it CCP to be the judge on this.
Some of us feel its a fox in the hen house ..
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2009.01.07 04:13:00 -
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<oldplayercomment> It's always fun reading the rants about exploits.
"We want more game time!" "Rollback the DB!" "Compensate us for something we had nothing to do with!"
This in turn leads to the people jumping into the thread defending the actions of CCP.
"[Don't knock them until you've done it!]"
Now, after the tears have been shed and the voices have gone hoarse, the non-trolls waltz in to mess with the freshly ****d egos and tired minds of the ranters pointing out problems either in their logic or their presentation of their logic in what can only be described as the most condescending tone ever concocted on the internet.
"[You spelled this wrong]" "you're wrong! [insert fail reason here]" "No, you're wrong! [insert more fail here]"
There are of course other characters that make an appearance:
the actual trolls new characters putting in their .02 isk other random people
All of this results in a threadnought with walls and walls of intricately designed text wrote by people that have nothing better to do than browse (and non-troll/troll) internet spaceships forums. (I'm one of the lurkers)
</oldplayercomment>
CCP, I know this was a screw up with starbases. It was probably never noticed because the tests don't always work the same in debug mode as release mode. I'm a software engineer by trade with an emphasis on financial applications. I fully understand that this scenario is something that could've easily slipped through the cracks of tests simply because there is no reason to think it would occur. (Though there could be other reasons)
I'm going to be the guy that says, "Have faith, CCP will deliver (eventually)." I could go on and point out problems with the delivery and logical arguments provided by those infuriated by this oversight, but I'm not an 'untroll' (or a real troll for that matter)
CCP, I have full confidence that everything will be sorted in due time. I've been a loyal subscriber for a number of years now, and I have yet to be genuinely disappointed with decisions made by the GMs/Devs in matters concerning exploits. Keep on rocking with this awesome game and don't listen to the people that would have your heads for this. There are those of us that truly understand your mistakes, are ok with them, and the way you try to make it up to users.
I have never seen a game company more concerned with the well being of its user base. Those companies that would bow to the demands of the few (or many) knowing full well that it would destroy the game for others are not looking out for the interests of the users. Thank you for making this game that challenges me every time I log in.
-Mikron http://wiki.eve-id.net/ ____________________________________________________________________]
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Miney Prospector
Caldari Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2009.01.07 05:46:00 -
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This needs to be dealt with.
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.07 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: URUS FORGE on 07/01/2009 17:59:45 Mikron,
I repectfully disagree. If they missed it, the economic numbers should have caught it. There are just way to many pieces to the puzzle here for this to be missed for this long.
I would offer this situation as one more reason why anyone directly involved with CCP should not be allowed to play the game in any fashion.
The moto in game is "Trust no one!" right?
CCP has some core members who play in corps.. it is rightly so that we should not trust them, and further more it is correct to think that they would be biased towards those corps.
Can I prove anything.. no! but neither can you.
Is their sufficient info for me to think something sticks? without question! and you should easily be able to see it as well. |
Captain Dorja
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Posted - 2009.01.07 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Dorja on 07/01/2009 19:40:33 Urus, the moto of the game might be trust no one, but try to keep in mind that CCP is running a business. That means they aren't going to let the devs exploit them game more than once because it will **** off subscribers. Suscribers are something that CCP is trying very hard to keep subscribing and to increase the number of new subscribers. That means they aren't going to allow real world corperate scandels of the devs in the game. It's bad for real world busines where there is real money to be made and lost, not just isk. Stop contemplating the game side issues and contemplte the real world issue: money. They want more of it. Letting devs screw up the game makes ****ed of players, which makes players quit which makes decreased revenue.
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Zaporozh
Gallente Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.07 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Zaporozh on 07/01/2009 21:22:16 From what I read thus far from other sources like Massively News the corporations in question have pretty much shut down. What big time corps have recently folded? That might be a good question to answer.
{Glauxian Data Centre}
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PJRiddick
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Posted - 2009.01.08 13:48:00 -
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Outside of the people being banned, what supprises me is that CCP has allowed the corps that were involved to stay active. Im just now getting up to speed with this whole matter and from what im reading, the corps that were involved are still viable and running. You all know that these corps that were involved fully knew and supported what was going on,...ofcourse i cant proove that but it would only stand to reason that the CEOs of said corps knew and were fully aware of what was going on, thusly indirectly these people should be held accountable and responsable for there actions. Guilt by assocation?,...no,...becasue they knew what was going on and they didnt do anyting about it. Now the question arrises,...what were they doing with all the money >isk< that was made from this exploit? ISK sellers? Possability! I bet if we were to really look at the people involved, we would find a couple snot nosed 14 year olds, jsut finding out what self gratification is all about, with a hefty paypal account at there disposal. WTF! >R< Fly safe and keep one hand on your wallet >>>and you all thought we have it bad here in the states with OBAMA!<<< as you all figured i voted for the other guy. |
URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.08 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Dorja Edited by: Captain Dorja on 07/01/2009 19:40:33 Urus, the moto of the game might be trust no one, but try to keep in mind that CCP is running a business. That means they aren't going to let the devs exploit them game more than once because it will **** off subscribers. Suscribers are something that CCP is trying very hard to keep subscribing and to increase the number of new subscribers. That means they aren't going to allow real world corperate scandels of the devs in the game. It's bad for real world busines where there is real money to be made and lost, not just isk. Stop contemplating the game side issues and contemplte the real world issue: money. They want more of it. Letting devs screw up the game makes ****ed of players, which makes players quit which makes decreased revenue.
Cap thanks for the reply,
I am a business person irl.. we are all virtual business people in EvE.
I do agree that CCP does not want their customers to leave in mass. And I believe they will do what they must to make sure of that.
However all business, real or EvE.. is a risk reward based.
Now if you follow my train of thought to its ends and aftermath, lets see who is getting the rewards here.
Moon-gate has risen prices through out EvE.. I think we can all agree on this.
I think we can all agree that much like real life.. In EvE there are more people with less, than there are people with more.
w number of people are oblivious to this problem
x number of people are going to leave EvE anyway.
y number of people are going to stay no matter what
a pecent of w and y will simply buy more GTCs to trade for isk.
Those who hear about this in passing may think "gee CCP is really tough on cheaters" I better not buy illegal isk.
What it boils down to is more GTC sales for CCP. Now if you are a business person.. would you care if a few left as long as the masses were guaranteed to buy more?
are we really supposed to sit here and believe simply because they tell us it is so? While they have vested interests in corps?
As long as any member of CCP is in a corp.. I will always question their responsability to their customer. Might as well let OJ sit on his own Jury.
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Jossaphene
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Garnet Alf
Originally by: URUS FORGE
This bug/exploit (if you can call it that) is one that involves postive(i.e. mining yield) and negative (i.e. fuel consumption) numric quantities.. it HAS to be programmed in.
I agree with this comment. It is well known in programming circles that you run sample information through some code to check that it is working ok. This "exploit" could stem from a simple programming test that was left in either because no one at CCP thought it would be found, or someone at CCP has used to further the aims of their own corp within the game.
Are there any corps that CCP has been involved in?
Pretty sure I have read that they have indeed been involved within the game as players. They do after all claim to be gamers themselves.
Are there any alliances who seem to be escaping these bans?
Word on the grapevine is that no one involved in a BoB corp has been banned. I don't know if that is true or not, but something smells distinctly piscean to me.
Well for years there have been rumors/reports about CCP being involved with BoB. Like when BoB was about to lose thier Titan early last year and all of a sudden the node was shut down in effect saving thier boat.
I believe the alliances have grown to large and controlling and need to be trimmed a bit to allow smaller corps a chance to get a foot into 0.0. Only way now is to join one of the Big 3 alliances and that is just rediculous. I say any alliances remotely associated with this exploit should be dismantled. Amazing an alliance can afford to lose 3 titans in a span of a week and not flinch at the loss.
CCP needs to take this oppertunity to fix the problems that were most likely induced by their own people to help out thier corps/alliances. Game is hard enough as is without playing against the very people that can ban and take isk etc from others.
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:10:00 -
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o/ Jossaphene,
What it all boils down to is that CCP is not telling us with absolutes what is going on.
They are not solidly confirming or making any denials of any of the details.
They have to know what is suspected about them. They have to know this perspective is only going to grow until they make statements that are solid and firm.
They need to stop this political dance around the topic response. Just hit it hard once, expose everything with 100% transparency.
And no matter what side of the fence you are on.. you can't read CCPs statements and feel they have told us enough.
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Plundaar
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.08 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: URUS FORGE o/ Jossaphene,
What it all boils down to is that CCP is not telling us with absolutes what is going on.
They are not solidly confirming or making any denials of any of the details.
They have to know what is suspected about them. They have to know this perspective is only going to grow until they make statements that are solid and firm.
They need to stop this political dance around the topic response. Just hit it hard once, expose everything with 100% transparency.
And no matter what side of the fence you are on.. you can't read CCPs statements and feel they have told us enough.
I'm expecting that when they have finished pulling every scrap of data to get rid of all the accounts related to this incident. It might never happen the way they're tapdancing while avoiding saying much. This leads me to not trusting CCP right now. They still have time to change my mind. My subscription hasn't ended yet, but my renewal is not in the range of the current shared information either.
As for the person who spoke of cars. A car is an item, this is a service. That changes a lot of perspective.
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PJRiddick
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Posted - 2009.01.09 13:24:00 -
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It seems to me that CCP and BoB are tightly associated, that is for sure. and to contridict one that said something about BoB not having players that ahve been baned,...they have. I have been in game now for about a year, and from almost day one all i here is about how big BoB is and there attachment to CCP. Heres the question that i would like to pose to all here,...now. The statment has been made that CCP are to the point "a bunch of gamers themselves" If this is true,...what corps do they exist in,....and what role do they play? Could it be that all this time "CCP = BoB?" ormore to the point,..."Bob = CCP?" and this is why all the hush-hush over this insodent and the involvement with Bob? The players that ahve been banned,...myself i would like to see a list of those players and the corps that they existed in and there allignces that were affected. In addition i would like to see a list of all the players that were involved in the scam, there corp and if they were booted out of game or not. CCP,...I trust that you all are doing all that you can to rectify this, resontly i have had a good experience with one of the GMs, and i would only like to say that i really dont want to bite the hand that has fed me in this case,...BUT,...you all really need to do something here, RESTORE THE TRUST THAT PEOPLE HAVE,..>or more to the point,...HAD< in the politics of this game. IF CCP was involved in this whole insodent,...admit it be done with it and go on. You all will find that people will forgive more readly than if you try to cover it up and someone find out otherwise,... S**T,....Look at Bill Clinton,....Hummer king of the U.S.A.,...he got caught with his pants down,...LITERALLY! He lied about it,...they tryed to lie tocongress about it,..but still the american people let him stay in office tofinish out his term. <---<<<go figure The point here is that He is still being busted on over that fact. <---<<<GET THE HINT! Clatu Verada Nicto Fly save and keep your britches up >R<
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Vladina Krematoria
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Posted - 2009.01.09 19:31:00 -
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So does this mean the Era of T2 blobs/hac gangs etc. is over..will fleets Eve wide become more balanced..are insta elite fleets going to pass away? LoL prolly not..
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.09 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vladina Krematoria So does this mean the Era of T2 blobs/hac gangs etc. is over..will fleets Eve wide become more balanced..are insta elite fleets going to pass away? LoL prolly not..
No it means they just cost more.. and more people will buy legal GTCs..
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Saphirro
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Posted - 2009.01.09 22:35:00 -
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Can we please have the thread title changed to:
"Starbase exploit (not really) addressed" ?
Or
"Starbase exploit pretty much forgotten about."
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"Starbase exploit shows how bad (yet again) our PR skills are" ?
I dunno, but really the thread title seems like it's a fraud to me.
Please, let us hear again from Dr. OhMyGod or whatever his name is. That guy really seems to have his finger on the pulse of the economy - please shove him to the forefront to answer all the CSM questions again. That was hilarious.
Hung. Out. To. Dry.
Nice.
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.10 05:39:00 -
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Edited by: URUS FORGE on 10/01/2009 05:41:01 Edited by: URUS FORGE on 10/01/2009 05:39:48 Maybe this is an annual CCP event like snowballs *eliminate the spaces between gameset and watch* http://www.gameset watch.com/2007/02/eve_online_trouble_in_deep_spa.php |
Saphirro
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Posted - 2009.01.10 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Saphirro on 10/01/2009 22:46:41 Edited by: Saphirro on 10/01/2009 22:45:59
Originally by: URUS FORGE Edited by: URUS FORGE on 10/01/2009 05:41:01 Edited by: URUS FORGE on 10/01/2009 05:39:48 Maybe this is an annual CCP event like snowballs *eliminate the spaces between gameset and watch* http://www.gameset watch.com/2007/02/eve_online_trouble_in_deep_spa.php
http://www.gamese****ch.com/2007/02/eve_online_trouble_in_deep_spa.php
Edit: Lol nice filter.
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.11 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Saphirro Edited by: Saphirro on 10/01/2009 22:46:41 Edited by: Saphirro on 10/01/2009 22:45:59
Originally by: URUS FORGE Edited by: URUS FORGE on 10/01/2009 05:41:01 Edited by: URUS FORGE on 10/01/2009 05:39:48 Maybe this is an annual CCP event like snowballs *eliminate the spaces between gameset and watch* http://www.gameset watch.com/2007/02/eve_online_trouble_in_deep_spa.php
http://www.gamese****ch.com/2007/02/eve_online_trouble_in_deep_spa.php
Edit: Lol nice filter.
Ya maybe CCP missed the right piece of code which would have allowed that link for 1-4 years..
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Ardalla Noos
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Posted - 2009.01.11 16:25:00 -
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Crazy, just crazy! Does that mean there was a flood of T2 items out there? I wonder how much they will go up in price now? Wow!
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