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Avel Kereka
Amarr Manu Dei
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Posted - 2008.12.10 00:03:00 -
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The royal heir Yonis Ardishapur has been a beacon of light to the conservative Amarrian faithful in a time of upheaval and creeping liberalization. He has persevered in his faith even though he has drawn fire from many liberal elements of the Empire and shown that loyalty to tradition will be rewarded. His appointment of True Amarrian aristocracy to positions of authority within the crumbling Mandate (which was previously run by old Minmatar aristocracy) is a welcome return to stability and sanity in a time when many think it is acceptable to turn our backs on generations of tradition and wisdom.
I've never been fond of long-winded speeches so I will conclude by warning all my loyalist capsuleer colleagues that the power that comes with said position is like any other kind of power--it corrupts. We tend to forget or ignore the wisdom of millions that came before us because our situation is "modern" or "unprecedented". I would hasten to remind all the faithful that the Empire has survived to this day because it has imposed its will upon new technology, races and worlds, not the other way around.
May God never abandon us. ------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal And I lube you guys too.
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Shadow Kry
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Posted - 2008.12.10 00:55:00 -
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As an allied member to the Amaarians in the Caldari state I wish that the royal heir Ardishapur live a long and rich life and that all Amaarians may prosper.
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Shern
Minmatar Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.10 08:16:00 -
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We all pray that Ardishapur will be wise and fair to us ammatar. Our nobility have been...a disappointment to us. But their treason or indifference should not be a reason to punish us all. But I'm sure the Empress knows that. |
Avel Kereka
Amarr Manu Dei
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Posted - 2008.12.10 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shern We all pray that Ardishapur will be wise and fair to us ammatar. Our nobility have been...a disappointment to us. But their treason or indifference should not be a reason to punish us all. But I'm sure the Empress knows that.
I'm certain you'll benefit from traditional Amarrian rule just as anyone else would--provided discipline is maintained.
We certainly won't be defecting anywhere. ------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal And I lube you guys too.
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Zan Maruke
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.10 19:47:00 -
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Ah, this is going to go well.
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Aldrith Shutaq
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq on 10/12/2008 20:26:20
Originally by: Avel Kereka I'm certain you'll benefit from traditional Amarrian rule just as anyone else would--provided discipline is maintained.
We certainly won't be defecting anywhere.
Things are still tentative... Though I know Ardishapur is an intelligent man and a good politician, I'm afraid that he has already made it clear he looks down upon anyone who is not True Amarr. Rulers who do not care much for their subjects often make poor decisions when it comes to their welfare and happiness. I'm just glad that Lady Sarum has given the Chancellory to Artico Kor-Azor and not Ardishapur.
Originally by: Zan Maruke Ah, this is going to go well.
I worry about my Ammatar brothers and sisters also, but I cannot dennounce the Hier's actions completely. To me, his acts are both a step backwards and forwards. He is bringing stability and the rule of law back to the Mandate, but at the expense of Ammatar independence and pride.
His next step seems to be choosing a new govenor for the Mandate. This isn't the last we've heard of this.
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Avel Kereka
Amarr Manu Dei
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Aldrith Shutaq Things are still tentative... Though I know Ardishapur is an intelligent man and a good politician, I'm afraid that he has already made it clear he looks down upon anyone who is not True Amarr. Rulers who do not care much for their subjects often make poor decisions when it comes to their welfare and happiness.
It is precisely these types of attitudes that threaten our way of life. Ardishapur does not "look down" upon anyone who is not True Amarr--he simply acknowledges the natural order of things within the Empire. We are the noblest race and the one most suited to taking care of our flock. Ethnic Khanid have a place at our side as warriors, Ni-Kunni as merchants and artisans. But Amarrians are rulers, and woe betide those who forget this sacred order. ------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal And I lube you guys too.
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Red Katherine
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Avel Kereka It is precisely these types of attitudes that threaten our way of life. Ardishapur does not "look down" upon anyone who is not True Amarr--he simply acknowledges the natural order of things within the Empire. We are the noblest race and the one most suited to taking care of our flock. Ethnic Khanid have a place at our side as warriors, Ni-Kunni as merchants and artisans. But Amarrians are rulers, and woe betide those who forget this sacred order.
I don't presume to speak for the intentions or thoughts of the heir or the new Holders in the Mandate, but I'd like to remind the average Amarrian citizen and the average Amarrian pilot of this simple fact: the Mandate and the Ammatars did not betray them. We continued to fight against tribal incursions into our space long after the Empire made peace with the Republic, and we will continue to fight now that those two great powers are at war again. Now we battle on two fronts - enemies without and treachery within - but our resolve has not slackened.
The new overseers of the Mandate would do well to remember this. I know many Amarr feel like this is the rebellion all over again and want to crack down on the Ammatar in a display of imperial might. Nothing could be more detrimental to the situation than such a display. The Ammatar need help and we look to the Empire to lend us aid. Any rash punitive action at this point would only cause further chaos and harm to Ammatar families and Ammatar worlds.
I pray the transition will be smooth and San Matar will see growth, prosperity and strength once again.
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Avel Kereka
Amarr Manu Dei
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Red Katherine I don't presume to speak for the intentions or thoughts of the heir or the new Holders in the Mandate, but I'd like to remind the average Amarrian citizen and the average Amarrian pilot of this simple fact: the Mandate and the Ammatars did not betray them. We continued to fight against tribal incursions into our space long after the Empire made peace with the Republic, and we will continue to fight now that those two great powers are at war again. Now we battle on two fronts - enemies without and treachery within - but our resolve has not slackened.
The new overseers of the Mandate would do well to remember this. I know many Amarr feel like this is the rebellion all over again and want to crack down on the Ammatar in a display of imperial might. Nothing could be more detrimental to the situation than such a display. The Ammatar need help and we look to the Empire to lend us aid. Any rash punitive action at this point would only cause further chaos and harm to Ammatar families and Ammatar worlds.
I wish to clarify my statements if they seemed harsh to the loyal Ammatar--crackdowns should only occur where necessary. Those who are faithful will be rewarded as is suitable for their station. My main concern is the liberal and non-Amarrian holders who believe they can dictate policy to their superiors as if this was some sort of Federation. This is not a Federation--it is the Amarr Empire, run from the top down. Those who remember this and obey will know the fruits of loyalty while those who think they can overturn our traditions will reap what they have sown. ------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal And I lube you guys too.
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Shern
Minmatar Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:21:00 -
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We are deeply loyal to the Empress and value the care and attention she has given to us, including the appointment of our new Governer.
I think it would be wise for the Governer to ask representatives of the many loyal ammatar to join his administration. We understand our own space better than a Holder from outside Derelik would and the situation with our tribal enemies on our borders.
As Master Kereka says, we are not a godforsaken 'democracy' and I accept what Empress and Governer say is best for us.
But I do think they should listen to local voices. |
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Avel Kereka
Amarr Manu Dei
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Avel Kereka on 11/12/2008 22:29:48
Originally by: Shern I think it would be wise for the Governer to ask representatives of the many loyal ammatar to join his administration. We understand our own space better than a Holder from outside Derelik would and the situation with our tribal enemies on our borders.
As advisors, perhaps. Positions of high authority must remain Amarrian, however. ------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal And I lube you guys too.
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BloodBird
Gallente Duty.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Avel Kereka As advisors, perhaps. Positions of high authority must remain Amarrian, however.
And as such, perhaps the Ammatar will one day realize that they are powerless in their own lands. I never liked to think over how blind they could be that for all their supposed improvements over the Republic they still are not free to decide their own fate. I find this sad, to be honest.
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Avel Kereka
Amarr Manu Dei
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Avel Kereka on 12/12/2008 00:02:03
Originally by: BloodBird And as such, perhaps the Ammatar will one day realize that they are powerless in their own lands.
They had more autonomy before, and we saw how that turned out. Ultimately, it was our fault for being bad parents and allowing for too much freedom. That will now be rectified and those of the Ammatar who are faithful will reap the benefits of Amarrian peace and stability. ------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal And I lube you guys too.
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BloodBird
Gallente Duty.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Avel Kereka Edited by: Avel Kereka on 12/12/2008 00:02:03
Originally by: BloodBird And as such, perhaps the Ammatar will one day realize that they are powerless in their own lands.
They had more autonomy before, and we saw how that turned out. Ultimately, it was our fault for being bad parents and allowing for too much freedom. That will now be rectified and those of the Ammatar who are faithful will reap the benefits of Amarrian peace and stability.
Translation: Those Ammatar who were not smart enough to leave when they had their chance, will soon feel the effects of Amarrian iron-handed rule.
If they were not happy with how things were when they ruled themselves, or were led to think they did, how will it be better by making their freedoms lesser and tighter?
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A Soporific
Caldari Venom Pointe Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:06:00 -
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I would be very interested in increased Caldari investment in the Mandate. Trade between the State and other Amarrian satellites have worked very well in the past, and given the unstable internal situation it would probably be a very good thing to get a healthy dose of non-punitive structure involved.
Besides, I would love to invest in the region personally. *** Wisdom. Justice. Moderation. |
Shern
Minmatar Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: BloodBird Translation: Those Ammatar who were not smart enough to leave when they had their chance, will soon feel the effects of Amarrian iron-handed rule.
How is it 'smart' for us to abandon our homeland and everything we have worked for ? We are Ammatar, not Minmatar, we have a special purpose.
I feel that a wise ruler listens to the concerns of their subjects and I'm sure the new Governer is not a fool.
Even if I am wrong, the Empress does not tolerate fools. |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:58:00 -
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I fully support this move.
Continue to marginalise your own people, and you'll drive them right into our arms. Keep up the good work. -----
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 12/12/2008 13:18:43
Originally by: Avel Kereka As advisors, perhaps. Positions of high authority must remain Amarrian, however.
What a backward view - even CVA's new leader is a Gallente.
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Arderich
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen A.R.K.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:41:00 -
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I wonder why there are no parties and celebrations all over the Mandate. After all the former corrupt and treacherous leadership will be replaced by amarrian Holders chosen by Yonis Ardishapur himself.
If there are faithful Nefantar they will rejoice. For too long the Nefantar had been on their own without adequate guidance.
Asking for Nefantar advisors in this situation is ridiculous. The Nefantar now have the chance to listen and learn instead of failing a task they've never been made for. After the recent events I don't think advice from a Nefantar is what Amarr needs.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 12/12/2008 13:18:43
Originally by: Avel Kereka As advisors, perhaps. Positions of high authority must remain Amarrian, however.
What a backward view - even CVA's new leader is a Gallente.
This tells more about the CVA than Amarr loyalists, if you ask me. And is a good sign, even if it is likely too little, too late.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 12/12/2008 15:31:11
Originally by: Arderich I wonder why there are no parties and celebrations all over the Mandate. After all the former corrupt and treacherous leadership will be replaced by amarrian Holders chosen by Yonis Ardishapur himself.
If there are faithful Nefantar they will rejoice. For too long the Nefantar had been on their own without adequate guidance.
Asking for Nefantar advisors in this situation is ridiculous. The Nefantar now have the chance to listen and learn instead of failing a task they've never been made for. After the recent events I don't think advice from a Nefantar is what Amarr needs.
My lord, the exigencies of wartime have delayed reports in this particular regard. Rest assured that legitimate forces always remained active in service of the Empire, reporting to the frontlines on a regular basis. Ammatar news releases have been in the pipelines for several weeks, due to such delays.
The Ammatars who waver now will be dealt with, internally.
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Avel Kereka
Amarr Manu Dei
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 12/12/2008 13:18:43
Originally by: Avel Kereka As advisors, perhaps. Positions of high authority must remain Amarrian, however.
What a backward view - even CVA's new leader is a Gallente.
Originally by: Arderich Asking for Nefantar advisors is ridiculous
It never ceases to amaze me... I'm too conservative for most Amarrian loyalists but not conservative enough, it appears, for the hardliners. Arderich, the local faithful know their situation inside out and can help acclimatize the new Holders. They would not be making decisions themselves, merely providing information the new Holders might need to effectively run their new realms. Articio Kor-Azor had a similar change of heart after his rule proved to be less than... satisfactory. |
Arderich
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen A.R.K.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 23:59:00 -
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If there are local faithful they have proven to not know their situation inside out. If they would then some things never could have happened.
I think giving information and giving advice are two different things but this might be a matter of definition. Probably we two think the same but do have a problem with interpretation of words. I have no problem if Nefantar hand out all information they have. If those people who give information getting called advisors then I hope there will be plenty advisors.
Btw, I don't think the Holders new to the region must acclimatize. It's the Nefantar who must acclimatize to the new Holders.
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Sepherim
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.12.13 01:20:00 -
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You will never cease to amaze me Mr Arderich. Both will have to acclimate to each other, nature is so. It is unfair to punish those of the Amatarr who decided to remain with us for the treason of others. We should, in fact, reward them and show them our appreciation, for they have undergone a terrible trial and still have succeeded in it. We have to work with them, for they are a shining beacon to guide the rest of the Minmatarr in the ways of the Amarr.
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Avel Kereka
Amarr Manu Dei
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Posted - 2008.12.13 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Arderich I think giving information and giving advice are two different things but this might be a matter of definition.
Advice is, by definition, voluntary suggestion. If it were involuntary, it would not be advice--it would be a command. I believe Amarrian holders can listen to the information and advice provided by faithful Ammatar and make the final decisions themselves. Not all Ammatar are traitors.
Quote: Probably we two think the same but do have a problem with interpretation of words.
Most likely. Either way though, it pays to be firm, assertive and civil when in a position of authority in order to set a good example as well as propagate our views. A master need not be cruel to inspire respect. ------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal And I lube you guys too.
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Arderich
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen A.R.K.
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Posted - 2008.12.13 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim It is unfair to punish those of the Amatarr who decided to remain with us for the treason of others. We should, in fact, reward them and show them our appreciation, for they have undergone a terrible trial and still have succeeded in it.
Nobody is talking about punishment. In fact I said I wonder why there are no celebrations. Reward? I think a competent amarrian leadership replacing the old treacherous command will enhance the ability of the Nefantar to serve God by a great margin. Isn't this what we all strive for?
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Chema Opulat
Delictum 23216 San Matari.
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Posted - 2008.12.13 17:19:00 -
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No question that must best cooperate with Amarr. Best news now!
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Bo'Tox
Amarr Arkor Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.19 04:56:00 -
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It behooves us well to rememebr that a Nation and moreso an Empire is built upon the lowest of the low. Failure to acknowledge them and respect them sends cracks through the foundation of a society and can destabilise it to the point of Anarchy.
I too believe that Ardishapur indeed wishes to improve the Amarr Empire as a whole through better planning and judgement, but we must rememebr that he is but one man. No matter of proof of succession and Blessing of God will improve the simple plain fact that he is still one man with one belief.
And as we have seen in the past with other rulers, if others disagree with his belief and vision then several things will happen: A) they will be stomped into submisison and repressed, to be forced back into their lowly place with no hope of improoving their life or that of their family. B) failure to resolve the complaints of the lowest workers wil result in them uprising in a revolution, and will result in the failure of Amarr society in either a small or very large part.
Of course we must choose a middle ground in our acceptance of our own position in life and that of those both above and below us. It is best to remember that we are all one Amarr people, united together under the banner of the Empire, together under one God.
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Sepherim
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.12.20 01:27:00 -
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Of course Lord Heir Ardishapur has the best intentions, but once the people know the Faith, the best way to develop it is to test it. They have been taught, now it is time for them to guide their own path and, by doing so, prove their Faith.
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