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Sanguis Sanies
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.05 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO He bashes everything
Not true. There is Portal andą uhmą Branston Pickle.
and Fallout 3, and that weird egg game he keeps saying is the best ever made ._.. ._ .._ __. .... .. _. __. __ ._ _.
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Neth'Rae
Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.06 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Nir Ice One of my favorite reviewers, Yahtzee, from the Escapist reviewed EvE online, For those who dont know his review system, he hates everything that isent fallout 3.
Anyone who sets Fallout 3 above EVE cant have been trusted with a decent working brain..
lol, I was hoping that he'd make something sarcastic about fallout 3.. But meh, he has to go and be a biased fanboi.. :<
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.06 06:25:00 -
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military experts are calling this a fairly accurate review of EvE Online.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente The Antikythera Mechanism
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Posted - 2008.12.06 06:41:00 -
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which review of fallout 3 did you watch, in the one I saw he bashes it pretty bad, and I've seen quite a few games he goes easier on.
honestly why would you say he rates fallout 3 as really good? He said no such thing. __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions! |
TooNu
Caldari State Protectorate Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.06 11:15:00 -
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Portal "Yea I know its not very funny to love a game but **** you, Portal's great and if you don't think so you must be stupid"
Fallout 3, "Yea, its pretty good"
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.06 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nikita Alterana the better question is why is there a rokh shooting lasers on the left side of the background.
Pics or <insert wanted consequence here>! -
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.06 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/12/2008 12:26:28
Originally by: Neth'Rae lol, I was hoping that he'd make something sarcastic about fallout 3.. But meh, he has to go and be a biased fanboi.. :<
Now that is irony
EVE isn't better then Fallout 3, it's longer, more lasting, an MMO. But it's not a good GAME
A game is entertaining, grasping, fun past time, chill out, relaxation, break out of reality etc etc. EVE is a second life really. And yes, EVE gets boring. And yes, the guy with bigger boots usually wins. But that's life, and EVE is life.
And he didn't actually praise fallout, he said "Yeah, it's allright.", and who could blame him, it is, by every definition, alright.
It's like fallout 1, of a new fallout series. Like batman begins has nothing to do with the oriinal movies
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.06 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/12/2008 12:26:28
Originally by: Neth'Rae lol, I was hoping that he'd make something sarcastic about fallout 3.. But meh, he has to go and be a biased fanboi.. :<
Now that is irony
EVE isn't better then Fallout 3, it's longer, more lasting, an MMO. But it's not a good GAME
A game is entertaining, grasping, fun past time, chill out, relaxation, break out of reality etc etc. EVE is a second life really. And yes, EVE gets boring. And yes, the guy with bigger boots usually wins. But that's life, and EVE is life.
And he didn't actually praise fallout, he said "Yeah, it's allright.", and who could blame him, it is, by every definition, alright.
It's like fallout 1, of a new fallout series. Like batman begins has nothing to do with the oriinal movies
EvE is more about fascination than fun.
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.06 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nir Ice The only reason im asking anything is because EvE is plastered all accross the website this week.
Some readers might notice that the reviewer was very superficial or just be curious anyway. After all if that review were on point - how come EVE is one of the most successful MMOGs on the market and still around - bigger than ever - after more than 5 years.
Originally by: Nir Ice I would honestly say he gives a good reason why noobs dont pick up EvE, your first 2 weeks are a mega pain in the ass.
Not true. Sorry you didn't find (or didn't look for a decent corp) in your first days. It makes a big difference.
Originally by: Nir Ice If CCP were to do anything for EvE, making the first few weeks to few months more directed at something, better nudges or what not (hell a super long mission chain with good rewards for noobs) so that new pilots could really see what the game is like we might get some real fresh blood.
It's already there. And to see what EVE is like all he needs is a decent corp to join. Reviewer didn't do so. Failed.
One of the core principles of EVE is that the players *are* the content (as suppliers, customers, buddies and foes). No amount of PvE AI and scripting can compare with real people being there as your wingmate or opponent.
Some players choose a solo lifestyle and still find EVE cool. That's fine - whatever works for you. But not what MMOGs are primarily about. Certainly not EVE.
Originally by: Nir Ice Honestly I like that idea, its what all other games do, sandbox is still there, but give the new player a good long mission chain custom built just for new players in crappy ships and we could see a whole lot more of them.
Who then will complain after that first long mission chain the PvE is only ok and miss the whole point?
I'm not against that idea per se. CCP has that probably on the drawing board when they introduce dynamic mission structure next year anyway (see fanfest video).
But a reviewer who judges EVE on such a start would still totally fail to see what EVE is.
And I'm so happy that CCPs keeps being different from other MMOGs. IMHO EVE is the only true MMOG because of that (ok - there might be others - just never heard of them). Most so called MMOGs are glorified classic games with bigger battlenet style group play. First the playerbase gets sharded. Then you only really share that limited world with other places in cities - even that might be sub-divided (GW for example) or special arena places. And whenever you do something real you get your own instance - meaning you're effectively back playing NWN with a few friends.
Long story short - those games mostly fake the first M in MMOG. 10 million players in a MMOG sounds impressive - until you think about it and realize that the players outside your server might just as well not exist or play another game - you'll never interact with them anyway. And even on the same server you are isolated from most of them most of the time.
That review was entertaining to read - but superficial and in the end a failure at being a good review of the game. Critiques writing demolishing reviews in an entertaining way are always the best read of course. ;-)
And you at least somewhat agree with my POV - because otherwise you wouldn't be here. ;-) --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOOSER EVE TV- Bring it back!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.06 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis EvE is more about fascination than fun.
Yes?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.06 12:56:00 -
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Yatzee is funny but this is the gist of his reviews.
"I tried game-x. It made me feel like I was being annaly ****d and then I wanted to violently kill people."
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.06 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Malcanis EvE is more about fascination than fun.
Yes?
Judging from listening to a few of his reviews, Yahtzee has the attention span of an ADD weasel on crack. And he doesn't actually like computer games that much.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.06 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Malcanis EvE is more about fascination than fun.
Yes?
Judging from listening to a few of his reviews, Yahtzee has the attention span of an ADD weasel on crack. And he doesn't actually like computer games that much.
Actually he does, just not Mumurpegers. But i was pointing out that Fallout 3 is a fun game, where EVE is not. EVE isn't bad, but it's not a fun game.
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.06 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Malcanis EvE is more about fascination than fun.
Yes?
Judging from listening to a few of his reviews, Yahtzee has the attention span of an ADD weasel on crack. And he doesn't actually like computer games that much.
Actually he does, just not Mumurpegers. But i was pointing out that Fallout 3 is a fun game, where EVE is not. EVE isn't bad, but it's not a fun game.
We're going to start getting philosophical in short order here. What are the qualia of "fun"?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.06 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis We're going to start getting philosophical in short order here. What are the qualia of "fun"?
Bouncing a ball is fun, building the ball is not, but building a ball might stimulate you more.
Fallout, bouncing ball. EVE, building ball.
Fun vs stimuli.
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.06 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Malcanis We're going to start getting philosophical in short order here. What are the qualia of "fun"?
Bouncing a ball is fun, building the ball is not, but building a ball might stimulate you more.
Fallout, bouncing ball. EVE, building ball.
Fun vs stimuli.
Call it what you like, I wanna play internet spaceships today.
Again.
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Neth'Rae
Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.06 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Malcanis We're going to start getting philosophical in short order here. What are the qualia of "fun"?
Bouncing a ball is fun, building the ball is not, but building a ball might stimulate you more.
Fallout, bouncing ball. EVE, building ball.
Fun vs stimuli.
Well destroying Balls in EVE is one of the moste exciting and fun aspects of it, which is also superiour to any other game.
It's not about fun vs not fun.. It's about everything funny on a plate vs scattered in pieces that you have to pick up and choose yourself, also sometimes you find really good ones while at other times they chew your face off..
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.12.06 17:09:00 -
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Lol at all these fan boi's.
You people can't be serious?
Ok, now, as a disclaimer, I love this game, I play it daily, without hesitation, for as many hours as I can without risking divorce, BUT, and I say that with heavy emphasis:
That review is pretty much dead on.
If you can't laugh at the faults of the thing you love, then you have more internal issues that you need to address outside this game.
To review, we've got a guy in here calling Warcraft "not a true mmo"....dude, get a grip, and pull your head out of your ass. Its got 11 million people playing it. Even if its not your type of game, its still a MMO, and the biggest of the brand to date.
Other people bashing the review guy saying he has no clue.
Little hint: Its called brutal honesty, kinda like telling the fat girl she is fat when she asks.
The guy stripped it to its bare bones, and laid out what was there, and I'm laughing more at EVE's defender squad than anything said in his awesomely funny review.
No matter how much you enjoy something, you should never lose your perspective, and should be able to see its faults, which eve has many of.
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Neth'Rae
Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.07 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sebea To review, we've got a guy in here calling Warcraft "not a true mmo"....dude, get a grip, and pull your head out of your ass. Its got 11 million people playing it. Even if its not your type of game, its still a MMO, and the biggest of the brand to date.
It is a MMO by the standard definition.. But when talking virtual world style mmo's it doesn't even come close to EVE since it's too static, way too much instancing, and the fact that the progress through the world is basically linear, you go from one area to another, and you don't go back.. Players can't make any real impact on the world, there's not even player housing.. and if there was it would be instanced ofcourse. It's like taking a game like diablo and just adding more players and calling it a MMO(I'd play that tho :D).
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Shariff Da'Laws
The Expatriot League
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Posted - 2008.12.07 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Shariff Da''Laws on 07/12/2008 00:51:00 As far as the ads go, it is advertising. You target people who play games, the people that watch things relating to games also tend to play them.
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.07 03:07:00 -
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He is a good review imo, in all honesty - he gives credit to a lot of things, bashes other things and states that MMO reviews are harder because the nature of the game is more complicated. . .
I think a lot of people watch the escapist because he is hard on all the games - but he is right about a lot of the imperfections of every game.
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Tellenta
Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.12.07 05:33:00 -
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This topic is pretty dumb tbh. Eve is the kind of game where you play the trial, or maybe a month or two and run away screaming bloody murder, or keep playing. It is that simple, it is the definition of niche gaming. To suck in the gamers that this game appeals to especially concidering it isn't on the shelves any more they must advertise.
If you do not believe this is a niche game think about it, could EVE survive being a popular game concidering it is played on a one server environment? What would happen with a million plus subscribers.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.12.07 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sicex CCP has already stated before they don't pick and choose where their ads get placed.
CCP pays a company to advertise for them and the advertising company puts out ads sometimes randomly, sometimes targeted (gaming review sites).
This.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.12.07 08:18:00 -
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I for one say its a great idea to put it on the site, hell, with the negative review.
He states that fans demanded that he rereview the game, that's positive. He says how ridiculously complex the game is, that'll attract the typical eve pilot, then he goes ahead and bashes an MMO that's nearly 6 years old....yea, doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize yahtzee may...be....wrong. ----------------- Friends Forever |
Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2008.12.07 08:45:00 -
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I keep wanting to tell Yahtzee that I love EVE in almost exactly the same way I love Portal. See if that sends him for a loop.
The business aspect of it all is just as much a backdrop to the quality sci-fi experience for me as the glorified jumping puzzles in Portal were. Neither spreadsheets nor jumping puzzles are particularly appealing to me on their own merit, but when they help to realise a greater sci-fi concept, hell yeah.
I don't understand why he and many others hate EVE's interface so much. It has always seemed to me amongst its greatest strengths and easily the best UI I've used in any game, ever. _______________________________________________ 'The illiterate of this century are not those who cannot read and write; but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.' |
Hegbard
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Posted - 2008.12.07 11:18:00 -
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Have you ever wondered why magazines only print dumb press releases and never dare to criticize anything, which in turn makes the industry more and more lazy ("we can't do anything wrong, we got good reviews").
Yes, it'd because of this bull**** with punishing anyone who dares to disagree with you.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.12.07 11:37:00 -
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Review was basically spot on and funny to boot. ---
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.12.07 11:39:00 -
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i saw the eve "review" as well as others. To me he could review anything he likes and go off on it just the same. to me its all about humor as opposed to a serious review. youd have to be an idiot to think you should take his word on anything when it comes to buying a game.
its just not meant to be taken seriously. how many other comedians do you listen to when making purchases???
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.07 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7 Review was basically spot on and funny to boot.
Yeah, it was the truth and nothing but the truth, but not the whole truth. It's like reviewing a restaurant purely on the basis of the free breadrolls.
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Greme
Amarr Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.07 12:54:00 -
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Many of you are missing the point that many of the dev's found the review amusing also (see dev responses in the original thread [too lazy to link it]).
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