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Ana Vyr
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.28 15:42:00 -
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I adapted to some degree. Put a target painter on my Caracal. Bought a Moa to compare the two. Seems like the same basic effectiveness except the Caracal can do it from greater ranges, which I expected. As a miner, primarily, I've been using t2 drones for a while...and those mess up frigates rather well. I never used to have to use them on my missle boat till now. Basically, though the Caracal is definitely less effective than it used to be in level 2 missions, it still can get the job done, it just requires a little more tactics from me.
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Lord Makk
Phaze-9 Fracture Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.28 15:47:00 -
[92]
Raven.
6x Siege II 1x Target Painter II 3 heavy web drones, combat drones or combination of painter drones and web drones.
And ur in a world of hurt infront of torps still...
The nerf is bad... web & paint it however.. problem solved, whats the problem? caldari now only has to do what every turret user has to... web it..
roflcopter at the rohk and cruise :p
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.28 15:50:00 -
[93]
Maybe I can't read here. But this thread is "hey missiles suck." and then the op is talking about his Rokh getting killed by a missile ship?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Lord Makk
Phaze-9 Fracture Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.28 16:04:00 -
[94]
Perhaps he changed his mind half ways in his story :)
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supr3m3justic3
Caldari Hakata Group Blade.
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Posted - 2008.11.28 16:09:00 -
[95]
Edited by: supr3m3justic3 on 28/11/2008 16:09:56
Originally by: Lord Makk Raven.
6x Siege II 1x Target Painter II 3 heavy web drones, combat drones or combination of painter drones and web drones.
And ur in a world of hurt infront of torps still...
The nerf is bad... web & paint it however.. problem solved, whats the problem? caldari now only has to do what every turret user has to... web it..
roflcopter at the rohk and cruise :p
So last time i checked, caldari still has to use there mid slots to tank(unlike everyone else). So when you say just throw 3 web drones, then you cant put any lights or mediums to kill frigs. And if you stack your mids with painters and webs you have no tank.... But everyone else can fit a full tank and have the support mods needed to get the job done....And i'm talking BS of course.....but i dont really give a ****, cause im training for amarr and lasers:) *edited for grammer ____
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.11.28 16:21:00 -
[96]
Torp Raven needed its target painted to deal full damage to all BS before the patch. Torp Raven needed its target webbed to stop it getting away before the patch. OMG, nothing has actually changed.
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supr3m3justic3
Caldari Hakata Group Blade.
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Posted - 2008.11.28 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Torp Raven needed its target painted to deal full damage to all BS before the patch. Torp Raven needed its target webbed to stop it getting away before the patch. OMG, nothing has actually changed.
I agree completly...i still have a web and a TP on my torpraven from before the patch. But You shouldnt have to completly stop and make a battleship the size of a carrier just to hit it. ____
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.11.28 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: supr3m3justic3
Originally by: Lord Makk
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So last time i checked, caldari still has to use there mid slots to tank(unlike everyone else). So when you say just throw 3 web drones, then you cant put any lights or mediums to kill frigs. And if you stack your mids with painters and webs you have no tank.... But everyone else can fit a full tank and have the support mods needed to get the job done....And i'm talking BS of course.....but i dont really give a ****, cause im training for amarr and lasers:) *edited for grammer
ORLY? Last time I checked, armor tankers had to use their lowslots to tank. Guess where damage mods go? It's the same tradeoff regardless of which way you go. If you want to fit damage AND tackle on ANY ship you're going to have to sacrifice tank to do it.
In PVP the only real difference this has made is that solo missile boats aren't as effective as they used to be. Given that the whole idea behind caldari ships is that they're better off in gang/fleet warfare sorta applies here. Have your tackler and any ship with free mids to toss a painter in there and your problem is solved, hell caldari ships now do BETTER in gang warfare if you've got someone with a painter or 2, since they now have increased damage on their tech II missiles (albeit at the expense of explosion radius).
If you want to fly solo, go matari, or maybe gallente. They've both got ships that do this fairly well, but FFS stop complaining that your raven needs a painter, a ship that can be fit to have over 100k EHP and dish out 1k+ DPS damn well SHOULD need some support to hold stuff down.
Oh and one last thing: If you're training amarr thinking that they're the solopwnmobile BSs, you're going to be sorely disappointed. Due to cap issues combined with slow-ass ships and a low number of mid slots they run into the same difficulties tackling as caldari ships do. |
Blondieonsum
Endless Opportunities
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Posted - 2008.11.28 16:55:00 -
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OP get a life! I fly ravens for a living! I still rock the pve world, which is what generally caldari are for, or as surport in fleets. You fail and so does your 2 mill sp in missiles. i trained gallente to pvp it's that which makes me cry !!
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Kryttos
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.28 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zivoril Edited by: Zivoril on 28/11/2008 02:17:45 Every Single Caldari Pilot, is ****ed off and a straight witness to the Missle Nerf!
Whats worse, is Those who dont fly missle ships have a word to say!
Those peoplewho dont fly Missle ships are Beyond rational thinking, for those who do. The proof is in the pudding!
1)Fly a missle ship before the patch!
2)Then fly the same ship in ANY SITUATION! You'll sonn realize CCP messed Every -missle aspect up---not only to factor beyond weakenss, But to a point where even missle ship owners are asking WTF HAPPENED:?>
Im a caldari pilot, and im having no problems. Train up missile skills more and FFS get a target painter.
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Core Researcher
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Posted - 2008.11.28 17:58:00 -
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Someone really needs to go to the killboards and check all these pilots that claim to be missile pilots out, lots and lots of BS itt.
Missiles are broken.
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Lord Makk
Phaze-9 Fracture Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.28 17:59:00 -
[102]
Well seriously.. hardly any ships are universal. U can fit all ships in a variety of ways.
By using a TP and a scrambler. not too much of caldari tanks are sacrificed. But I guess those whining are thinking of their oh so lovely missions?
2x web drones and u can still have 5x lights on board (raven). not like the heavy web drones are gonna catch anything but battleships.. But a battleship is really cut out to fight another battleship isn't it?
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.11.28 18:05:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Core Researcher Someone really needs to go to the killboards and check all these pilots that claim to be missile pilots out, lots and lots of BS itt.
Missiles are broken.
Hmmm right, I'd better go and delete the killmail of that ABing Zealot that my Drake killed... while I was taking sentry fire... and after starting at half shield. And the Claw that died in 4 AML volleys, for that matter.
I can't wait until QR is reversed and my (non-precision light) missiles can't damage anything faster than 4 km/s! Those were surely the glory days of missiles...
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari Product Number 3
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Posted - 2008.11.28 18:52:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Core Researcher Someone really needs to go to the killboards and check all these pilots that claim to be missile pilots out, lots and lots of BS itt.
Missiles are broken.
Hmmm right, I'd better go and delete the killmail of that ABing Zealot that my Drake killed... while I was taking sentry fire... and after starting at half shield. And the Claw that died in 4 AML volleys, for that matter.
I can't wait until QR is reversed and my (non-precision light) missiles can't damage anything faster than 4 km/s! Those were surely the glory days of missiles...
Your precision lights must have been pretty fail then. It wasn't until things were traveling 6 or 7km/s that they stopped doing damage.
Don't want Pre-QR, but the game is certainly still not very fun. Scale back the nano changes, make missiles useful again, and people will stop whining.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.11.28 20:01:00 -
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Try reading the Precision Light reference again, Khamal.
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Vaugue
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.28 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 28/11/2008 21:37:44 Eventually Caldari missile pilots will not have a tank considering all the mods to compensate (nerfs) take mid slots. Reduced to paper plating for shielding to maintain what sub par dps we had. I'm not having as much issues with heavies, but eventually I will probably have to train another race of ships to be competetive. Have only been mission whoring since my return, but can really see the lack of dps if i were to be firing on another player.
Shame too. Caldari frigate, cruiser, battleship all at 5. At least BattleCruiser and CommandShip is a race wide skill (aside from prequisites), considering i have 5 in both of them. My turret and laser skills have nothing in them though lol. Watched some absolution videos in the last few days. Ahh the joys of being able to tackle, tank, and maintain decent dps must be nice.
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SheriffFruitfly
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.28 21:40:00 -
[107]
It's kind of funny, actually:
1) Caldari is the most common race in eve.
2) Caldari has always been relatively weak at pvp.
3) CCP wants to encourage more pvp.
4) CCP repeatedly nerfs caldari pvp.
Are there wookies on endor? 'Cuz that just don't make no sense!
rofl. __________________________________________________________
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Gorefacer
Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.11.28 21:51:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Core Researcher Someone really needs to go to the killboards and check all these pilots that claim to be missile pilots out, lots and lots of BS itt.
Missiles are broken.
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11797
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11799
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11793
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11792
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11790
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11742
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11723
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11719
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11724
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11732
Just a small collection of post patch KMs from a Raven pilot.
I've been slacking and haven't PVPed as much as I'd have liked - I'm sure there are plenty out there with much much more.
As Gypsio said - needed the target webbed and painted before - still do after QR patch. Still doing damage like I have since the torp buff.
Also I can't tell if the OP is a troll or if he just is ignorant of the basic workings of this game. Guess that makes it a good troll if it is one.
"You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus |
Karille
Gallente Lordless
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Posted - 2008.11.28 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gorefacer Word
It's pretty funny that those have a missile boat as the top damage dealer. Apparently everyone having trouble with missiles fails at life.
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Adaris
E X I U S
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Posted - 2008.11.28 21:55:00 -
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This one time, at band camp, I heard that Caldari can also use Railguns. *******
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Tippia
Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.11.28 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Adaris This one time, at band camp, I heard that Caldari can also use Railguns.
Pff! As if nearly half the ships are anything to go by! You're just nuts!
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Exlegion
New Light
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Posted - 2008.11.28 22:41:00 -
[112]
Can't speak for the rest but, the Fury Golem is pure SEX. . I absolutely love it.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.11.28 22:48:00 -
[113]
Originally by: SheriffFruitfly It's kind of funny, actually:
1) Caldari is the most common race in eve.
2) Caldari has always been relatively weak at pvp.
3) CCP wants to encourage more pvp.
4) CCP repeatedly nerfs caldari pvp.
Are there wookies on endor? 'Cuz that just don't make no sense!
rofl.
The crux of the matter.
I would be very interested in a CCP response to this statement assuming they aren't ignoring all the missile threads.
And no more semi plausible lies please.
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Karille
Gallente Lordless
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Posted - 2008.11.28 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
The crux of the matter.
I would be very interested in a CCP response to this statement assuming they aren't ignoring all the missile threads.
And no more semi plausible lies please.
You're right, they never tested the changes before they made them.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.28 22:55:00 -
[115]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: SheriffFruitfly It's kind of funny, actually:
1) Caldari is the most common race in eve.
2) Caldari has always been relatively weak at pvp.
3) CCP wants to encourage more pvp.
4) CCP repeatedly nerfs caldari pvp.
Are there wookies on endor? 'Cuz that just don't make no sense!
rofl.
The crux of the matter.
I would be very interested in a CCP response to this statement assuming they aren't ignoring all the missile threads.
And no more semi plausible lies please.
I'm assuming they wouldn't put it this way, but it would have something to do with you, and likely being an idiot.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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manfrog
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.28 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gorefacer
Originally by: Core Researcher Someone really needs to go to the killboards and check all these pilots that claim to be missile pilots out, lots and lots of BS itt.
Missiles are broken.
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11797
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11799
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11793
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11792
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11790
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11742
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11723
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11719
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11724
http://killboard.rez-corp.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11732
Just a small collection of post patch KMs from a Raven pilot.
I've been slacking and haven't PVPed as much as I'd have liked - I'm sure there are plenty out there with much much more.
As Gypsio said - needed the target webbed and painted before - still do after QR patch. Still doing damage like I have since the torp buff.
Also I can't tell if the OP is a troll or if he just is ignorant of the basic workings of this game. Guess that makes it a good troll if it is one.
lol I have plenty of KM's too but take that raven to a 1 vs 1 have fun... tip don't use what you can't replace :)
heck watch 2 intys take you down in 10 min while you sit there un able to do any damage watching your torps just chase em around lol to funny
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WoW that way ------->>>>
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.28 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: manfrog heck watch 2 intys take you down in 10 min while you sit there un able to do any damage watching your torps just chase em around lol to funny
We all know that if you gave the ship turrets that would NEVER happen. All Turret Battleships are inty killers.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.11.28 23:03:00 -
[118]
Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 28/11/2008 23:03:04
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: SheriffFruitfly It's kind of funny, actually:
1) Caldari is the most common race in eve.
2) Caldari has always been relatively weak at pvp.
3) CCP wants to encourage more pvp.
4) CCP repeatedly nerfs caldari pvp.
Are there wookies on endor? 'Cuz that just don't make no sense!
rofl.
The crux of the matter.
I would be very interested in a CCP response to this statement assuming they aren't ignoring all the missile threads.
And no more semi plausible lies please.
I'm assuming they wouldn't put it this way, but it would have something to do with you, and likely being an idiot.
NO U!!1
Trying to have a discussion here.
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Karille
Gallente Lordless
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Posted - 2008.11.28 23:05:00 -
[119]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
NO U!!1
Trying to have a discussion here.
Then maybe you should listen to the other side.
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TheStarman
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
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Posted - 2008.11.28 23:06:00 -
[120]
I'm on sisi right now. Using a rokh, neutrons, a web, light drones, a Tech 2 afterburner, and light drones, and ratting more effectively than ever.
Adapt or die plz. Just because you have missile skills doesn't mean you can't train for a Ferox or Rokh.
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