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Borg Shopper
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Posted - 2008.11.27 20:01:00 -
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Leaving caldari out of the equation, as my tanking skills are all armor, I've been pointed towards amarr ships for PVE over and over again. 1st it was to rat sansha (made complete sense), but also now for running missions. I can fly up to their BCs (ended up cross-training, with a 4 month old char)... I'm flying a Harbinger now, which apparently had a terrible fit, and I'll try to correct it and see.
I'm starting missions in Caldari (mainly Gurista rats), for which hybrids should work ok (and my lasers are sucking terribly apparently)...
Anyhow, the real question is, is there anything terribly wrong with Gallente for PVE?
My 2nd highest SP amount is in drones (after gunnery). A domi could be a real option, as I can fly the basic hull already, can field T1 Heavy drones, and skill up sentries to a 1/2 decent level in 2 days. Also have a T2 tank/repper, even T2 membranes with some armor compensations though active's what I heard for Domis. That's why Amarr keeps coming up. Eventually I'd like a Mega, since I do prefer to shoot things myself.
Amarr T2 is either no drones, or missiles, for which I have 0 skills, so I see a lot more skilling up if I ever wanted to branch out/PVP or move back to 0.0. I'm trying not to shoot myself in the foot in the long run
Been told Gallente are handy for PVP enviros, and I see that they are more flexible in fits, compared to Amarr (which do 1 thing real well)...
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Zo5o
Longcat is Long
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Posted - 2008.11.27 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Zo5o on 27/11/2008 21:53:29
Sentry+Rail Domi is every bit as good as Ravenkind when it comes to average effectiveness in missions against all rat types across the board.
Kronos is even better against kin-weak rats.
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chatgris
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Posted - 2008.11.27 21:58:00 -
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From what I have read on the forums and experienced in the game, the domi is one of the best mission running boats there is. From what your list as your skills (good gunnery, drones skills AND armor tanking) the domi is the boat for you IMHO. You can bring a set of light drones, medium drones, heavy drones and sentry drones in the domis drone bay, and that is great for missions where there are tons of frigates and cruisers (even in level 4's).
I personally run this setup, and think it's great for missioning.
4x Dread Guristas 425mm Railgun 2x Drone Link Augmentor I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines 2x Omnidirectional Tracking Link I 100MN Afterburner
Amarr Navy Large Armor Repairer Damage Control II 3x specific active hardeners 2x Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
2x Ancillary Current Router I Sentry Damage Augmentor I
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chisell
Gallente BoB Enterprises Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2008.11.27 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris From what I have read on the forums and experienced in the game, the domi is one of the best mission running boats there is. From what your list as your skills (good gunnery, drones skills AND armor tanking) the domi is the boat for you IMHO. You can bring a set of light drones, medium drones, heavy drones and sentry drones in the domis drone bay, and that is great for missions where there are tons of frigates and cruisers (even in level 4's).
I personally run this setup, and think it's great for missioning.
4x Dread Guristas 425mm Railgun 2x Drone Link Augmentor I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines 2x Omnidirectional Tracking Link I 100MN Afterburner
Amarr Navy Large Armor Repairer Damage Control II 3x specific active hardeners 2x Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
2x Ancillary Current Router I Sentry Damage Augmentor I
i personally dont think this setup is very good, running a cap booster is going to cost you a fortune in boosters to keep your rep going, and so your losing your effective isk gain from the mission, you can easily run 4 guns on the domi fitting all cap rechargers along the mids, then the lows have 2 reps, 4 hardeners and a CPR, with 2 CCC and an aux nano pump, you will tank any mission perma, while still finishing them quickly with the rails and drones..at the same time you maximise isk gain due to not having to buy a huge amount of cap boosters.
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chatgris
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Posted - 2008.11.27 22:42:00 -
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I actually do most missions without using any cap boosters at all, by the time I afterburner out of range my shields have taken the brunt of the damage, and then I just deploy my sentries and destroy stuff at range with my sensor booster and the omni's letting me lock and giving me sentries better range.
I just couldn't bear to do without my omni's... medium drones kill frigates, sentries have much better range :)
Note that the assault is an exception to this, I chew through about 20 boosters doing that mission. However, that's peanuts.. I buy my cap boosters for 3500 (easy to get, I buy a lot at once). Even using 20 is only 70k, and the bounties + reward is easily 15 million for that mission, not counting LP's and salvage + loot. I just don't think that the cap boosters price is significant.
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Contralto
Gallente GCHQ
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Posted - 2008.11.27 22:54:00 -
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I now prefer the Kronos, but I flew a Sentry Dom since T2 sentries were introduced with much the same fit as the previous poster.
Kiting the rats that aggro at warp, in while taking them out with light drones and the 4 Dreads works on almost all missions.
Once at 50km from the closest group use Garde's and antimatter to drop even the fastest frigs before they get a shot off.
I rarely got into armor and when I did, a medium Repper was sufficient. I fit 2 Sentry drone damage rigs due to the lower Pg need of Dread 425mm's and the Mar.
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Arkadrell
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Posted - 2008.11.27 23:04:00 -
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if I had decent skills to fit either a dominix or a raven, these days id go with the dominix.
in short, theres nothing wrong with gallente and mission running.
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.27 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Arkadrell if I had decent skills to fit either a dominix or a raven, these days id go with the dominix.
in short, theres nothing wrong with gallente and mission running.
According to some , going the long long route that leads to kronos + paladin is the allround pure win setup.
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Camdim
Caldari The first genesis INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.11.28 14:03:00 -
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You really have to figure this out for yourself and what fit works for you.
I recommend the test server. For checking out various fits in level 4 missions and find the fit you like and that works for you.
The domi does sound like the ship you would want atm with your skill sets.
2 active hardeners tend to be enough for each mission type and some will only require 1 type. Just have each on hand and swap out as the enemies change.
Dual reppers are good in the low to take care of those spikes and you can run cap stable without a booster. Also fitting a remote armor repper in a high slot or even bringing one armor repair drone with you can help you keep your drones in shape if they take any hits.
Get over to test and play with fittings you can use EFT to design a few fitting setups but run each one on test before you commit to them on live.
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Blonde Shopper
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Posted - 2008.11.28 19:22:00 -
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Good to hear that! I like the idea of cap rechargers, I can fit T2s of those as well. A T2 SeBo sounds like a must have (which I can also equip). I'll have to work on T2 heavys/sentries. Since I've never had a use for them, I never bothered skilling them up, but I do have some racial drone skils that will come in handy and boost drones regardless of size. I'll probably run the cap recharger 4x active hardener setup with possibly a T2 LAR, since those missions are all new to me, I'd hate to go poof just cause I got full room aggro (will prob stay aligned).
I'm glad to hear that Gallente as capable as any other race in missions. and those dread rails are probably very expensive, but if they survive, will probably recycle them for a mega (or even a navy mega, since they keep dropping in price)
Thanks for all the replies, and if you have any other fits that work, I'll drop em on EFT and take it from there (have to also check out some fits in EVEMon)...
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.11.28 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris From what I have read on the forums and experienced in the game, the domi is one of the best mission running boats there is.
Someone lied to you,
but the Gal have ok mission ships, skill up for the Kronos.
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chatgris
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Posted - 2008.11.30 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bloody Rabbit
Originally by: chatgris From what I have read on the forums and experienced in the game, the domi is one of the best mission running boats there is.
Someone lied to you,
but the Gal have ok mission ships, skill up for the Kronos.
I should have mentioned that I was talking about T1 battleships. Does that change your opinion any?
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.11.30 03:31:00 -
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The Dominix, with Tech II sentry drones, is flat out the best T1 mission ship in the game. It can dish out great DPS at short or long range, it can tank a ton. So far, I have flown all the T1 battleships in missions, and quite a few of the T2 ones. The Domi does as well as any of them (although the Paladin is face-meltingly awesome against the proper NPCs). ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome. |
Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.11.30 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Bloody Rabbit
Originally by: chatgris From what I have read on the forums and experienced in the game, the domi is one of the best mission running boats there is.
Someone lied to you,
but the Gal have ok mission ships, skill up for the Kronos.
I should have mentioned that I was talking about T1 battleships. Does that change your opinion any?
If we are just looking only at t1 battleships then yes it is the second best T1 battleship for running missions.
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Mire Stoude
Cash Money Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.30 22:29:00 -
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The Domi is a good T1 ship. It does missions well enough. However, the Kronos is what you want. Use the Domi while you are skilling up for the Kronos. The DPS of the Kronos is superior to the Domi. You don't have to babysit your drones. You can salvage all the BS wrecks as you melt them without having to slow-boat to within 20km of the wrecks. You don't have to wait for drones to get to the target to start doing damage (if using Ogre II's). You can head towards the next gate while you are melting rats (as opposed to sitting still next to your sentries). Plus, it's gold.
The only downside it's a substantial investment. You can lose about 40 domi's (and fittings and after insurance) for what the Kronos will cost you. However, if you lose 40 domi's or more running missions you are doing something horribly wrong.
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.11.30 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jurgen Cartis on 30/11/2008 23:02:21
Originally by: chisell
Originally by: chatgris
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i personally dont think this setup is very good, running a cap booster is going to cost you a fortune in boosters to keep your rep going, and so your losing your effective isk gain from the mission, you can easily run 4 guns on the domi fitting all cap rechargers along the mids, then the lows have 2 reps, 4 hardeners and a CPR, with 2 CCC and an aux nano pump, you will tank any mission perma, while still finishing them quickly with the rails and drones..at the same time you maximise isk gain due to not having to buy a huge amount of cap boosters.
@OP: Amarr ships are great for missioning, but ONLY against EM-weak rats. For everything else, there's the Sentry Dominix, which doesn't have to contend with 90% EM resists.
Cap boosters are dirt cheap. 20 Cap 800s costs maybe 100k, 1 BC rat will cover that. They're cheaper than faction ammo, certainly, and it is often considered cost-effective as 15% more DPS is more than a 15% increase in killing speed. The dual rep fit has its place, but permarep brick fits are very much overtanked. Extra tank doesn't do you any good, extra gank kills things faster and the ISK rolls in faster. -------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn
I prefer launching bathtubs of antimatter at my opponents over pointing an open DVD player at them, even if the bathtubs do miss a lot. So no.
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Blonde Shopper
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Posted - 2008.12.02 19:09:00 -
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Hm, played with EFT a bit. I can use best named instead of guristas (from 40m each to 8-12m each depending on region) training a week of weap ups, which will come in handy for any ship. Best thing about T2 is usually ammo. Any thoughs on T2 VS faction ammo? worth it, not?
I'd rather spend the faction cash on the amarr repper instead of the T2 one (better fit AND more rep/energy-cycle.
Working the drone skills, getting as high as possible on heavys and sentries. I can have T2 sentries (28 days) waaaay before T2 large hybs (56 days?), and will be handier in missions anyhow... It just means I'll take longer to get into a navy mega or kronos (which I've read they come alive whith T2).
Is a marauder (kronos specifically) worth fielding with faction guns instead of T2? 52 days for T2 large VS 83 days to walk into a marauder...
All the highly ranked fits I see (Battleclinic) are T2 guns, minus a gazillion boat with officer/faction guns (and lots of other 1b+ mods on it)...
Also, can sentries be useful on another boat other than the domi? or would I be better off investing that lvl5 time on drone interfacing 5 and BS 5 (which also boosts the drones a % in the Domi)?
Sorry about the question bombardment. Hopefully these can help a few others besides me...
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Slickster
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.02 19:44:00 -
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check this thread out http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=936827&page=1#7 __________________ To POD or to be PODDED that is the Question ? InEVE API verified |
Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2008.12.02 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Blonde Shopper Also, can sentries be useful on another boat other than the domi? or would I be better off investing that lvl5 time on drone interfacing 5 and BS 5 (which also boosts the drones a % in the Domi)?
DI5 is one of my favorite skill choices of all time. If you're seriously torn, go for it; it will help almost any ship you fly in the long run.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.12.03 03:42:00 -
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Tech II sentries are also awesome on the Ishtar (and the Moros). You want to get Drone Interfacing V as well, but Tech II sentries are pure win. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome. |
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nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.03 04:50:00 -
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Edited by: nether void on 03/12/2008 04:50:43 Two things that make me hate drones:
1 - They have to be pulled in after every wave and sometimes inbetween when they get targeted 2 - In some missions, they aggro the whole room when you pull them out, which means you can't use them depending on how much DPS that would aggro
I think the main reason people use missiles to run missions isn't because they're necessarily faster, but that they're far easier and require less attention. You don't have to move at all with a missile boat (no transversal cares). You don't have to pull drones in every wave. You just sit there at the warp in, and fire away. --------------------
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.12.03 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: nether void Edited by: nether void on 03/12/2008 04:50:43 Two things that make me hate drones:
1 - They have to be pulled in after every wave and sometimes inbetween when they get targeted 2 - In some missions, they aggro the whole room when you pull them out, which means you can't use them depending on how much DPS that would aggro
I think the main reason people use missiles to run missions isn't because they're necessarily faster, but that they're far easier and require less attention. You don't have to move at all with a missile boat (no transversal cares). You don't have to pull drones in every wave. You just sit there at the warp in, and fire away.
1. That's why you have to learn the missions. This makes sentry drones ideal, because you can pull them in instantly and then redeploy them. No lag time at all. On missions with triggers, I pop the triggers intentionally to get all the waves in at the right time. 2. This is a good thing. It means that you don't have to worry about anything targeting your drones. It also means your drones will kill anything that is targeting you (or your other character if you tell them to guard him). All you need is a good enough tank to absorb the DPS while your drones kill everything. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome. |
Julia Venatrix
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Posted - 2008.12.03 12:18:00 -
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I fly Amarr and regularly do my PvE in concert with two corpmates - one Gallente, one Caldari. For our sins we use the Dodixie mission hub and so mostly face Serpentis.
I come last in PvE effectivness by miles, but the other two seem pretty evenly matched. Nobody uses much faction/deadspace gear - we have other uses for the money - and they seem to overtank their fittings a bit (4 hardeners, 2 LARII for the Kronos) so the fact that they outgank my Abby with 3 heat sinks by so much is telling. --- Some days you are the pigeon, and some the statue. |
ferique
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Posted - 2008.12.03 12:55:00 -
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Find it hard to beleive they outganked a abby, my alt fly exclusivley amarr and ive put most ships to shame, even oudamaged a golem, tbh they optimal fit for a abby with some cap stabilty is with 7 tachs and 1 drone augmentor not that you really need drones and a tracking computer the rest is just a couple of heatsinks and the cap chargers and cap rigs, i suspect uve been using a Mega beam or pulse abby which aint the best for dps, One thing of not is the abby and use of tachs is cap death if you havnt got good cap skills, anyway try the fit makes most raven pilots cry lol.
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.12.03 19:37:00 -
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Problem is the Abaddon.
Get a Geddon with t2 sentries :)
Notice the emphasis on T2 sentries in this thread? _______________ Pwett Founder <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Tohm Raerdor
The Illuminaughty
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Posted - 2008.12.06 20:39:00 -
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Gallente ships are fine.
I started L4s in a Dominix. It works really well, and as everyone said T2 sentries with 2x omni-tracking links are the way to do it.
A year ago I started using the Typhoon, as it can do more DPS up close than the Domi. T2 sentries, 4x T1 artillery and 4x T1 cruise missiles works pretty well. Again with the 2x omni-tracking links. Takes more skills than the Domi, but it works pretty well.
My favorite, that I started flying a few months ago, is the Ishtar with T2 sentries and 2x omni-tracking links. Takes more thought to fly it safely in some missions, but permarunning an AB and an armor rep works pretty well as long as you don't get webbed.
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