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Veris Archran
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Posted - 2008.11.27 06:42:00 -
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I know you must see this kind of thread ever so often around here but here it comes again.
With people months and years ahead in skills, what is the point of starting in eve?
Is it possible to manage as a new player in eve knowing that you will never possibly be as good as every other single person in this game who has started before you?
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.27 07:49:00 -
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What's the point of going to college? Millions of others have already done so and gone on to amazing careers.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2008.11.27 09:18:00 -
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While you may only have say 2million skillpoints and the other guy has 50 million, you can still make an impact.
EVE is a multiplayer game, and that means working as part of a group is key to winning most fights.
There is also a limited number of skillpoints you can put into certain areas before you max them out, so while you may only have a few million skillpoints in total, if they are concentrated in a particular area, you can match that 50million sp character in that area.
Also, just cause he has 50mil+ SP doesn't mean he's a good player, at least half of EVE combat is knowing what to do, when and why, and having a lot of skillpoints doesn't mean you know. Just cause someone has a lot of skillpoints doesn't mean that he'll be in his prefered ship the whole time. The time you catch him, he might be hauling supplies to his home, you in a combat ship, him in a hauler, odds are stacked heavily in your favour despite the SP difference. Or he might have those skills in other areas other than combat.
Low skillpoint player can make a difference. Yes you'll die a lot, but it's all part of the fun and learning experience.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.11.27 09:39:00 -
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This is not some MMO where grinding/gear gives you a massive advantage, younger players certainly have a place and role in this game. Apart from that the average character age is 7 months so once you pass that you're better than average
Also, if you play it right this is very team oriented and that means that it kinda hides your "SP shortage".
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2008.11.27 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Veris Archran Is it possible to manage as a new player in eve knowing that you will never possibly be as good as every other single person in this game who has started before you?
Yes. I honestly think that the skill system in EVE is great, because it gives a worth reward to veterans without penalizing the new players. How? Here it is how:
1) The skill system is based on a diminishing rewards approach. In the time that a veteran took to bring two or three skills at lvl 5 you can bring 15 or 20 skills to level 4. This means that, at least in a specific field, your abilities get _almost_ on par with veterans in the space of one month or two.
2) A veteran might have 100M SP, but, apart industry-oriented skills, the amount of their USABLE skills are limited by the ship they are piloting and the modules they are fitting in it. So, if you focus on a specific job you'll be as good as a veteran in that job in few months at most.
On the whole, the advantage of a veteran char is that he will be good in more roles than you. But you can be almost as good as he is in a specific role very fast (two months at most), and exactly as good as he is in ONE role also pretty fast (I'd say less than six months for most of the roles).
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.11.27 11:31:00 -
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the person with the most SP is Dr Caymus I can virtually guarantee any noob could take him in a 1 to 1 battle - even if they did not know what they where doing [well not exactly] but you get my drift.
a swarm of frigs can p[awn a lot of things -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2008.11.27 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS the person with the most SP is Dr Caymus I can virtually guarantee any noob could take him in a 1 to 1 battle - even if they did not know what they where doing [well not exactly] but you get my drift.
a swarm of frigs can p[awn a lot of things
That can't be accurate, surely
Virtually no combat skills at all
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.27 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mikael Mechka
That can't be accurate, surely
Virtually no combat skills at all
The reason he trained Amarr BS is because it was the best mining ship at that time
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2008.11.27 12:03:00 -
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Wow, I'm pretty sure my SP in frigates and gunnery exceeded his in my first week of playing
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.27 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS the person with the most SP is Dr Caymus I can virtually guarantee any noob could take him in a 1 to 1 battle - even if they did not know what they where doing [well not exactly] but you get my drift.
a swarm of frigs can p[awn a lot of things
Best example of "SP isnt everything" -
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Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.11.27 15:03:00 -
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The above answers are all correct.
If you feel inadequate having much fewer skillpoints than others, with EVE you are free to purchase a character who has the skillpoints you think would be cool, allocated to the skills you most value.
I don't recommend doing that, however. For myself, I identify with my main to a large extent, and he and I have a shared history together. I would feel weird assuming the identity of some character with friends I don't know and a past I don't know about. Plus, I found that without the grind of leveling up, I was actually free to enjoy EVE at every stage. Another reason I don't recommend buying a highly-skilled character is that real-life knowledge and experience is important; it is better to gain that experience with inexpensive ships rather than burning through T2 cruisers or battleships.
But for you, my feelings should be irrelevant. You have options. Do what makes the game fun for you.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2008.11.27 15:26:00 -
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The other posters are correct. This issue was on most peoples mind when they started their first character. Now I don't care that much about my training speed, since I have my character skills at a level I can compete with the best. When people who have played the game for a long time make a new character, they don't worry about this issue anymore. Experience in playing the game makes a much greater difference, than skillpoint numbers.
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decoherance
Gallente The Black Ark
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Posted - 2008.11.27 17:47:00 -
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I used to think that when I first started playing. It was my one year aniversary a few days ago. Have taken down many an older player in my 1 year, so yes, its worth starting.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.11.27 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Veris Archran I know you must see this kind of thread ever so often around here but here it comes again.
With people months and years ahead in skills, what is the point of starting in eve?
Is it possible to manage as a new player in eve knowing that you will never possibly be as good as every other single person in this game who has started before you?
Being "Good" in EVE isn't about how many skillpoints you have.
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.11.27 22:02:00 -
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Yeah I was worried about that too when I joined mid 2005.
Just do it. If you have fun and want to stay great. If not it is a free world.
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Kobushi
OCForums
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Posted - 2008.11.28 05:25:00 -
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you do also realize that once you hit lvl 5 on any skill you are as good as a '03 player at that skill. so it means that if you specialize and max out a niche you are as good as any player in that niche(except for player experience which can make a huge difference). sure you are filling less niche then a vet player but keep in mind you can have the same SP/hour then any vets within 6 months or less(Evemon IS a player's best friend).
I believe that older player should have an edge as they have been around longer/spent more cash etc, but a new player can make up for that pretty fast by flying with vets and learning the ropes of the trade(s) and focusing training...slap my in a mining ship and I probably mine as good or within a few % of any miners out there with the exception of Chribba's Veldnaught.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.28 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Veris Archran I know you must see this kind of thread ever so often around here but here it comes again.
With people months and years ahead in skills, what is the point of starting in eve?
Is it possible to manage as a new player in eve knowing that you will never possibly be as good as every other single person in this game who has started before you?
Please don't think like this. It just isn't true. Just because a veteran player is flying that monster sized ship doesn't mean a newer player can't take him down.
EvE isn't a button mashing twitch finger-ninja game. PvP takes strategy, forethought, intelligence, and knowing when to high tail it if the tables turn. My account is only a month and a half old, but I've taken down a few experienced pirates.
TL:DR Version Just because you're new to the game doesn't mean you're inferior or ineffective in PvP situations. ___________________________________________________ The Escapist: EvE Online video review. |
Kessiaan
Minmatar Army of One
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Posted - 2008.11.28 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 28/11/2008 07:38:49 All of the above, and I'll add my own experience...
For my first year in Eve, I mined.
Then, about six months ago, I decided I wanted to pvp. Even though I had only minimal applicable skills when I started, about as much as a month-old rookie, I had a good idea of what I was doing and did well right out of the gate in FW.
I fly assault frigs mostly now. I still have fairly low skills compared to many people who've been doing this a lot longer than me, but I specialized for the ships I'm flying now, and I'm actually pretty competitive. PvP in Eve is a lot more about teamwork and real-life skills (the kind that aren't on your character sheet) than lots of SPs.
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