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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.12 11:31:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1545095 (Original Thread)
With the Incarna expansion, the original 'Basic Training' tutorial known as 'Crash Course' was updated and changed into - Aura NPE (New Player Experience) Tutorial.
Along with that change, 60 different Event Agents (15 per Faction) known as Tutorial Agents were forced into early retirement due to Aura NPE who has single handedly ended 'The Endless Battle' mission.
'The Endless Battle' (2-part mission)
This used to be the new players very first 'real' mission which could only be completed once per agent in the life of the character. Part 1 was a simple Encounter mission against a single NPC which when destroyed, would drop a small specific item to be returned to Agent. Part 2 was a simple Courier mission to transport a small specific item to a nearby Solar system.
A small amount of Corporation and Faction standing incurred for completing that. The Agent would then refer players to 1 of 60 (15 per Faction) Career Agents for more advanced training on the various careers available.
Basically, the incorrectly named 'Tutorial Agents' didn't give any instruction or information to new players other than refer them to the Career Agents. The old 'Tutorial Agents' were actually Political Liaisons for their specific Faction. Those 60 Agents were a good source for gaining a 1 time Faction standing increase.
I propose 2 different options for the 60 Tutorial Agents (15 per Faction) and their mission 'The Endless Battle', 1 simple and 1 complex.
Option 1 (simple): Bring the old 'Tutorial Agents' back out of retirement and change their Title to 'Political Agents'. Have them continue offering 'The Endless Battle' mission with a slight change to their ending dialog so they don't refer players to the Career Agents (Currently done by Aura NPE).
Option 2 (complex): Have the new 'Political Agents' (15 per Faction) split up into 5 different Agent levels, 3 Agents per level from level 1 to level 5. Have them all offer 'The Endless Battle' mission series but have the mission difficultly and reward increased to match the higher Agent levels.
These new 'Political Agents' and their mission offers can only be completed once per Agent in the life of the player's character, just like the old 'Tutorial Agents'.
The code is already written and with some slight programming, Option 1 could be implemented very easily. Option 2 would of course take a little more time and work to implement but is still doable.
Thank you all for taking the time to read this proposal.
DMC
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Kaeoz
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.15 08:53:00 -
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Supported.
Option 2 please. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.09.15 08:59:00 -
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This. CCP keeps removing good stuff, they need to start putting some back in, and this is they type of place to start. Why make so much of there previous work obsolete needlessly? o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.03 06:43:00 -
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Thanks for the support.
Personally, I prefer Option 2 but I'd be happy with Option 1.
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Mertine
DarkStar Technologies Per Flamma Exorior
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Posted - 2011.10.12 02:44:00 -
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i support either option |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.12 04:21:00 -
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Isn't that the one where they send noobs through lowsec to be smartbombed after Tyrannis mission load unbalancing?
CCP tried to nerf border highsec agents by making them more likely to send carebears to lowsec. Noob agent ended up doing what they wanted too. So instead of fixing what they broke by reversing Tyrannis mission nerf, they removed the mission? Ingenious |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.12 06:21:00 -
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No, I think the mission you're referring to was in one of the Career Agents 10 part mission series, which was later changed.
The old 'Tutorial' Agents 2 part mission series didn't involve much travel. Part 1 was an encounter in the same system as the agent. Part 2 was a courier to the system next door.
All of those agents were located in either 1.0 or 0.9 high security systems, most were deadend systems. None of them ever had any low security systems enroute.
As I stated in the original post, CCP has replaced those agents with the new tutorial (Aura NPE), which doesn't give any Faction standing increase.
DMC |
Tyrhineld Malukker
Krannon of Sherwood Carthage Empires
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Posted - 2011.10.12 14:42:00 -
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I'm up for anything which helps the newbie experience and increases player retention rate.
+1 |
Rollaz
AirHogs Zulu People
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 06:05:00 -
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+1 for option 2 |
Asta Ddu
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.29 15:18:00 -
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+1 for option 1
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Farrina
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:25:00 -
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+1 |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.19 13:27:00 -
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Option 2 please.
+1 |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.18 23:30:00 -
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Thanks to everyone for showing support to this proposal.
It is a sound proposal with no game breaking issues and if implemented, it can't be exploited. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.26 18:24:00 -
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Just a friendly bump so other players can show their support.
Since this proposal deals with PvE, I don't expect it to get any CSM support. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
985
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:30:00 -
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I support this as well...preferably with option 2. I would, however, like to know why this mission was removed in the first place? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:07:00 -
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Good question.
Like I said, when the Aura NPE Tutorial was implemented, she replaced all 60 agents who offered 'The Endless Battle' mission. The strange thing about that is there's only 3 career agent systems and 3 spawn systems (where new players enter Eve) for each of the 4 main Factions.
That accounts for 24 of the 60 original old Tutorial agent locations. I was informed that the other locations did have an Aura agent but they weren't active. Maybe they're active now, I don't know. I was also informed that the actual idea was to allow players to repeat the Aura NPE Tutorial if needed. However, players can do that anytime via Eve Help (F12 - Tutorials). Still doesn't explain the other 36 agents or the removal of 'The Endless Battle' missions. |
Duff Man Nex
Duff Beer Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.03 20:14:00 -
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I'd love option 2; supported! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:57:00 -
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Thank you.
Hopefully CSM 7 will show some support for this proposal. |
Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.05 04:47:00 -
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They aren't active. There's a lot of systems out there now with Newbie corp stations and nothing in them.
They are sad and lonely places. |
Kaylana Kavees
StarFire Industrialist Exchange
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Posted - 2012.03.06 13:11:00 -
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I think option #2 or as you called it the complex option would be a great idea for new players to be able to experience. The young never do as they are told, The old never do as they say. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1992
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:47:00 -
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Thanks for the support of this proposal.
Buzzy Warstl is correct. I checked a couple of stations where the old 'Tutorial Agents' used to be located and now those stations are indeed empty, Aura NPE had originally replaced them and now Aura isn't even there anymore.
I don't see any reason not to reinstate the old 'Tutorial Agents' and change their title to 'Political Agents'.
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Kaeoz
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.16 21:53:00 -
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Maybe next year those Agents get some CCP love. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:58:00 -
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Kaeoz wrote:Maybe next year those Agents get some CCP love. Yeah, would be nice. There's also other agents that need looked at as well.
Cosmos agents - need to display the correct standing requirement for access in their agent info. They should also issue a warning message to players stating if mission is declined, it won't be offered again. That message should appear with a yes/no option each time a player 'declines' a cosmos mission offer...
Avrue Auz - agent listed on the Certificate gained at Gallente Data Centers, gives players an item, Avrue's Token, for completing her missions, that item is supposed to be given to another agent, Boismevier Mals, for continuing the chain..However, that agent isn't available thus the chain is broken, er unfinished.
Patch notes for Apocrypha, released 10 March 2009 :
Quote:Agent Boismevier Mals is still missing despite a massive manhunt by DED. Avrues token has now been edited and will remove any mention of Boismevier. The search for this missing agent will continue in every known pleasure hub until we get our man! Item description for Avrue's Token now :
Quote:This token might be of value in the future, so hold on to it. Jeremy Tacs - 1 of 2 Concord Agents left in game that offers a mission for security status increase. That mission offer was recently deactivated due to a bug allowing players to farm his mission.
Cosmos BPC's - these need to be redone, such as lowering the amount of special materials required that's listed on the BPC's or at least make those special materials more readily available
Storyline modules - these need to have their attributes increased to correctly represent their Meta Level. As it is right now, most Storyline modules are equal to Meta Level 3 modules yet the Storyline modules are listed as Meta Level 6 or 7.
Anyway, there's other issues as well. The Event Agents, their missions and their rewards definitely need some CCP love and attention. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3447
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Posted - 2012.07.06 10:43:00 -
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Would be nice to get some of the CSM members to show support for this proposal.
DMC
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.11.25 23:47:00 -
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Unlocking this thread. ISD Suvetar,-áCaptain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department We are hiring! |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3650
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Posted - 2012.11.25 23:53:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:Unlocking this thread. ISD Suvetar, Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Thank you very much for the quick response and most definitely for the unlock.
Was just wondering, any comments or thoughts about the thread topic?
DMC |
Ronan Connor
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.27 09:52:00 -
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I think either option would help.
+1 |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.27 23:09:00 -
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Ronan Connor,
Thank you for the support.
Now if only a few CSM members would look at this..
DMC |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.25 04:59:00 -
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Just a friendly little reminder / bump to help put a little Christmas Cheer on this proposal.
Happy Holidays and Season's Greetings to EVEryone for their support.
DMC |
Da Dom
Wii R
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Posted - 2013.01.08 11:16:00 -
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One step forward...
*Option 2*
...steps back If your liberty is won by others then you are not free, you are merely protected. Your freedom is parasitic and you suck the honourable man dry. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your freedom in the currency of honest toil and human blood |
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