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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.11.24 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kelshron It does affect the tank, I can't perma rep anymore, but it's no big deal, just turn on and off when needed.
Overtanking for missions has been a scourge for as long as people have ran missions. If moar whiners did like this guy and experiment with new setups and realize they didnt need that 6 slot permatank after all the forums would be a far far better place.
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Tippia
Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.11.24 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Overtanking for missions has been a scourge for as long as people have ran missions. If moar whiners did like this guy and experiment with new setups and realize they didnt need that 6 slot permatank after all the forums would be a far far better place.
What?! Are you telling me I don't need a 1600 DPS tank against these evil wicked nasty NPC battleships?! Heresy!!
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Gankbear
Amarr Gankbears
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Posted - 2008.11.24 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zerode
Speed changes: * Nothing but good! This was the no1 thing to fix in pvp and don't affect pve to much.
moar tears from carebear raven mission runners with no skillz. Nothing But Good!
Expect me to care about your ravenwhine about as much as you care about my loss of speed and the depreciation in value in my Snake set.
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Tappits
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.24 21:38:00 -
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just a quick Q: Nighthawk > CNR - for L4's now or no? or just some missions? not run a mission or killed a rat in a raven since patch so dont know. ---------------------------------------------- Pro BOB????? I fail At forums |
Blastil
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Posted - 2008.11.24 21:57:00 -
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PVE is fine. I live in Guristas nullsec, and the guristas rats which operate out of there are finally soloable in a BC (high quality tripple 1.5 spawns!) like they should be. By fitting an AB, the burst damage is now lowered, and I can effectively tank the bastards with one repper on, and a second pulsing, like i could before with a MWD and EVERY OTHER RACE with the same BC. Remember kids- mission running in ravens isn't the ONLY profession in eve, and I've found that the nerf has balanced the caldari-based rats.
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Zanpt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.25 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Another Forum'Alt
Originally by: Karille PVE is fine, i have crap skills and can complete every level 4 missions i have attempted since the patch.
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How many times longer does it take than pre nerf?
Long enough. I ran one L4 mission, pulled Angel Extravaganza, found it to be awful and more work than fun. I immediately put my fully fitted CNR up for sale and I'm done with missions.
Originally by: Another Forum'Alt Vote with your wallet, see if CCP can survive without 70% of players.
I am voting with my wallet -- reducing from nine fulltime accounts down to an average of 2-4. CCP has screwed up too many things lately, and now there aren't even any decent belts to mine. I have better things to do with my money.
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Jim Hazard
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Posted - 2008.11.25 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres Edited by: Hyveres on 24/11/2008 11:17:25
Originally by: Karille As soon as you figure out how to use them.
As long as my nightmare outperforms my CNR against everything except angels there are no reason to use the CNR(except vs angels).
Tbh I regret spending the time upping missile skills when T2 tachs are so much better. For close range frigates you use drones anyway , all other circumstances turrets > missiles.
You do ofcourse the fact that missileships in general have inferior tank to their turretbased counterparts. Which for raven hulls become even more critical in fleets where armourtanking and RR is a lot more common than shield transfers.
So you want a CNR which does not really need a lot of skill training to perfom like a nightmare which 1st needs the skills of 2 races and a lot more SP for using t2 weapons? Not even speaking of all the support skills to use them in an effective way?
If you want to use your raven for missions now, all you need to do is improve your missile support skills. I got a couple of friends who run missions in their Ravens (not even CNRs) every day and finish every level 4 mission solo.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.11.25 04:31:00 -
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wait wait!!
I think I hear a very tiny violin playing....
yea I think so....
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Lady Aja
Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.11.25 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ian Luxor My List:
Key Solution... Drones engaging small Targets
Drones have made most of my pve ldoable for the last two years.
Witgout them some ships i could never have broke tanks on using amarr ships namely the absol. ( used to mission for angel cartel )
t2 light drones with support skills at lvl 4 make a huge difference. also train up Electronic drone warfare interfacign or what ever it is for an extra 3km range per lvl... 57-60km drone range range without mods is sweet.
you guys need to adapt youre playign style i sure as hell did! no more half assed lazy missions. I have to get tranversal and the other one for tracking down IF frigs and ceptors get onto me, which is rare now days as i pick them off at 16-28km... they near insta pop with group weapons.
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Elias Modron
Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.11.25 11:22:00 -
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PvE Ishtar ftw tbh.
As someone said earlier in this thread, missile changes have made it easier to do missions in under-sized ships (L4s in HAC, L3s in AF).
My Ishtar used to struggle with Angel missions, the vast amount of explosive missile damage in some missions was hard for me to overcome, but it was possible. Now all I have to do is move at my base speed to cancel out a good portion of the damage. Bliss!
I used to do L3s in an Enyo for fun, Angel missions were next to impossible because even with an afterburner I couldn't out-run the missile damage and I'd go into hull pretty quickly. Should be doable now, but haven't tried it.
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.25 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Hyveres on 25/11/2008 11:26:21
Originally by: Jim Hazard
Originally by: Hyveres Edited by: Hyveres on 24/11/2008 11:17:25
Originally by: Karille As soon as you figure out how to use them.
As long as my nightmare outperforms my CNR against everything except angels there are no reason to use the CNR(except vs angels).
Tbh I regret spending the time upping missile skills when T2 tachs are so much better. For close range frigates you use drones anyway , all other circumstances turrets > missiles.
You do ofcourse the fact that missileships in general have inferior tank to their turretbased counterparts. Which for raven hulls become even more critical in fleets where armourtanking and RR is a lot more common than shield transfers.
So you want a CNR which does not really need a lot of skill training to perfom like a nightmare which 1st needs the skills of 2 races and a lot more SP for using t2 weapons? Not even speaking of all the support skills to use them in an effective way?
If you want to use your raven for missions now, all you need to do is improve your missile support skills. I got a couple of friends who run missions in their Ravens (not even CNRs) every day and finish every level 4 mission solo.
What I am saying is that once you reach a certain treshhold gunnery > missiles nomatter how much SP you put into it.
The balance changes in QR has moved the balance even more in the direction of turretbased ships meaning that turrets > missiles at an earlier level than it used to be.
Its just a matter of simple efficiency and missiles are not efficient. The only 2 missiletypes that seem worthwhile are torps and HAMs. Neither of which is a good option when doing solo PvE. Originally by: Lady Aja Drones have made most of my pve ldoable for the last two years.
Witgout them some ships i could never have broke tanks on using amarr ships namely the absol. ( used to mission for angel cartel )
t2 light drones with support skills at lvl 4 make a huge difference. also train up Electronic drone warfare interfacign or what ever it is for an extra 3km range per lvl... 57-60km drone range range without mods is sweet.
you guys need to adapt youre playign style i sure as hell did! no more half assed lazy missions. I have to get tranversal and the other one for tracking down IF frigs and ceptors get onto me, which is rare now days as i pick them off at 16-28km... they near insta pop with group weapons.
Are you saying you instapop frigates at 16-28 km ranges with BS sized weaponry? the horror..
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.25 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 25/11/2008 12:09:54
Originally by: Tappits just a quick Q: Nighthawk > CNR - for L4's now or no? or just some missions? not run a mission or killed a rat in a raven since patch so dont know.
For most of them, I'd say. There never was a great deal in it but now I reckon the NH is better (or no different) for everything except the Extravaganzas, Worlds Collide and Pirate Invasion.
I always viewed missiles as the lazy option for PvE. The recent changes mean you have to have good skills to get the most out of them which is good. I like the way the NH has effectively been given a boost. Instead of being a niche choice for those that want the semi-afk life it has become a genuinely good choice. It still sucks for PvP but us NH pilots can hold our heads up with pride in PvE.
We is flying a damn good ship -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
[Brackley, UK]
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