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Dawiid BenAimaic
Dasa Fern Valley Jamaican Rum Transport Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:01:00 -
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It takes 9 minutes of mining to fill my hold. For me, that is not 9 minutes of boredom but it is 9 minutes of cleaning house, cooking, reading newspaper, petting the cat, playing with Guinea pigs, doing laundry, whatever
My computer volume is turned up high enough that I can hear the strip miners running. If I hear alien radio chatter, I know that I need to defend my ship. If Eve announces that the asteroid is depleted, I need to go target a new asteroid. If the strip miners stop making noise, I go press the button to dock and unload Some things I do not hear. If suicide gankers come to the belt looking for bots, I do not hear them. If they try to hail me, I do not hear it. If they try to bump me, I do not hear it. If they target me, I do hear that. If they blow me up, well I did hear that While I hate losing a ship, I do not hate the suicide gankers. There was a time when the asteroid belts were stripped clean before I ever logged in. How can you call it an asteroid belt if it has no asteroids? I have to thank the gankers for chasing the bots, and a special thank to the gankers who take the time to see if I am human I am asking that miners be given more audio information so that they can mine safely and effectively without sitting in front of the screen. Tell me if a crystal has failed. Tell me that a new craft has arrived in the belt. Tell me that I am about to collide with another ship. Tell me that my mortal enemy is now on radar. Tell me that I am being hailed. Tell me that I am being jammed. Tell me I need to go to battle stations for rats have entered the belt. Tell me what I need to know to do the mining For me, mining is a very small part of the game. Mining is what I do when I should be doing something else. |
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:28:00 -
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Just
Stop
Playing
Now
Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
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Posted - 2012.04.07 23:06:00 -
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So basically, what you want, if I'm reading your post correctly... Is all the visual and auditory cues that comes with actively playing the game -- while not actively playing it? I mean, from everything you've posted, you're like... two steps away from being a bot or a script.
Just saying... |
Dawiid BenAimaic
Dasa Fern Valley Jamaican Rum Transport Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.07 23:16:00 -
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Alyssa SaintCroix wrote:So basically, what you want, if I'm reading your post correctly... Is all the visual and auditory cues that comes with actively playing the game -- while not actively playing it? I mean, from everything you've posted, you're like... two steps away from being a bot or a script. Right now I am reading and writing on the forum with Eve running in background. I also spend more time looking at spreadsheets than actually looking at the Eve client. I rather enjoy mining in the asteroid belts while taking care of mundane things in RL. All I am asking for are audio queues that will wake me up when I fall asleep on the keyboard while mining.
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fisk Alabel
A Big Enough Lever Numquam Ambulare Solus
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Posted - 2012.04.07 23:16:00 -
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+1 i could use this too when i mine while having EVE minimized
i can't see a reason why this shouldn't be implemented |
Hundo Kay
Hephaestus LLC Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.04.07 23:30:00 -
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I would rather CCP just deposit the ISK I could make mining while I am not actually mining directly into my wallet, cause actually mining, refining, and selling the minerals requires too much effort for me to get other stuff done in RL. |
Dawiid BenAimaic
Dasa Fern Valley Jamaican Rum Transport Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.07 23:45:00 -
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fisk Alabel wrote:+1 i could use this too when i mine while having EVE minimized
i can't see a reason why this shouldn't be implemented In this game, the second favorite thing for me to do is patrolling the border in 0.0 with friends in my dread Vigil of death (I tackle battleships). My most favorite thing to do is sneak across someone else's border in 0.0 with friends. I also do salvage, R&D, manufacturing, run missions with friends, buy low, sell high, produce Integrity Response Drones using planet stuff. I think mining is on the bottom of my list but my factory needs the minerals and I need to do the laundry.
Sounds would not help the bots or the scripts but it would help the humans.
Total immersion in the game, I am living in the asteroid belt and I am doing my laundry while I am in the asteroid belt. When I look out the window of my monitor, I can see the asteroids and nebula. Gotta go, heard some alien chatter on the radio, I best be launching my drones. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.08 00:54:00 -
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you haven't developed the zen mining skill I see.. I've done housework for years while mining. it's important that you develop 3 minute "muscle" memory so that no matter what you are doing you know 3 minutes is up. My friends are always amazed that I know exactly when short times that are multiples of three minutes pass. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Emma Royd
Jupiter Industries C0LD Fusion
106
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Posted - 2012.04.08 06:22:00 -
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Erm the last time I looked, it was called EvE ONLINE not EvE AFKINSPACECANSOMEBODYGIVEMEAPRODWHENINEEDTODOSOMETHING
Seriously, sounds when your mortal enemy turns up? sounds when ships enter the belt? etc etc
I'll give you a 2/10 for a well constructed post and not just a wall of text, but apart from that learn to mine, you know, eve's meant to be interactive, you need to pay attention and keep an eye on what's going on.
It sounds like you want to just do away with all the human stuff and run a bot but don't want to get caught.
How on earth can a system tell you when a suicide ganker is in the belt? have you got a list of them somewhere? or do you run it off sec status (I see plenty of Yellow industrialists around)
"Tell me I need to go to battle stations for rats have entered the belt" wtf? I give up, just ask ccp for a few hundred million isk and go buy the minerals, it seems like actually doing something for it seems too much like hard work for you.
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Beckie DeLey
Brigade of Guards SpaceMonkey's Alliance
39
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Posted - 2012.04.08 07:55:00 -
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Just unsub now. You clearly do not want to play the game anyways. It's The Legendary Extraordinary Me |
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Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
120
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Posted - 2012.04.08 09:36:00 -
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Dawiid BenAimaic wrote: Tell me that I am about to collide with another ship. Please no. I don't want to spend hours listening to that same sound over and over while running missions. I can settle for adding a sound to convo-request pop-ups, since I rarely really see them either, even though I'm sitting at my computer, but that would be it. No sound is needed to alert us about being close to crashing into something. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
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Posted - 2012.04.08 10:24:00 -
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Dawiid BenAimaic wrote:so that they can mine safely Are you still mining near Osmeden ? |
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:25:00 -
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I'm not in the 'afk mining' club but I have a query regarding sound effects.
The sound effects were improved immensely not long ago for strip miners, mining drones, tractor beams, & salvagers. In particular the sound effects for tractor beams and salvagers were made very impressive imo - *waits for the 'Does EVE have sound effects?' comment*. At the moment on my client these improved effects either appear dulled or are not playing as I remember them playing not so long ago. Has anyone else noticed this, has CCP or a current 'bug' changed them, or is it just me/my client ? |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
755
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Posted - 2012.04.08 13:40:00 -
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Celgar Thurn wrote:I'm not in the 'afk mining' club but I have a query regarding sound effects.
The sound effects were improved immensely not long ago for strip miners, mining drones, tractor beams, & salvagers. In particular the sound effects for tractor beams and salvagers were made very impressive imo - *waits for the 'Does EVE have sound effects?' comment*. At the moment on my client these improved effects either appear dulled or are not playing as I remember them playing not so long ago. Has anyone else noticed this, has CCP or a current 'bug' changed them, or is it just me/my client ? There is a thread in GD about how the world sounds have gotten quieter. You have to be zoomed in more now i guess. |
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
34
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Posted - 2012.04.08 14:51:00 -
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Thank you. It's not just me then . Bring back the noise CCP! |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2012.04.09 23:16:00 -
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Dawiid BenAimaic wrote:fisk Alabel wrote:+1 i could use this too when i mine while having EVE minimized
i can't see a reason why this shouldn't be implemented In this game, the second favorite thing for me to do is patrolling the border in 0.0 with friends in my dread Vigil of death (I tackle battleships). My most favorite thing to do is sneak across someone else's border in 0.0 with friends. I also do salvage, R&D, manufacturing, run missions with friends, buy low, sell high, produce Integrity Response Drones using planet stuff. I think mining is on the bottom of my list but my factory needs the minerals and I need to do the laundry. Sounds would not help the bots or the scripts but it would help the humans. Total immersion in the game, I am living in the asteroid belt and I am doing my laundry while I am in the asteroid belt. When I look out the window of my monitor, I can see the asteroids and nebula. Gotta go, heard some alien chatter on the radio, I best be launching my drones.
Simple, stay at computer while mining and try afk sneak across someone else's border in 0.0 with friends. Do salvage, R&D, manufacturing, run missions with friends, buy low, sell high, produce Integrity Response Drones using planet stuff. |
Nekopyat
Nee-Co
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:13:00 -
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I actually rather like this idea. I see no problems with the concept of 'this information is available visually, why not make it available audibly too?'. Mining can be painfully dull and audio cues can be really useful in brining a person back to paying attention.
Even if one is 'playing' the game, I know I often play with market windows while mining so most of my screen is covered anyway. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
825
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:57:00 -
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Celgar Thurn wrote:I'm not in the 'afk mining' club but I have a query regarding sound effects.
The sound effects were improved immensely not long ago for strip miners, mining drones, tractor beams, & salvagers. In particular the sound effects for tractor beams and salvagers were made very impressive imo - *waits for the 'Does EVE have sound effects?' comment*. At the moment on my client these improved effects either appear dulled or are not playing as I remember them playing not so long ago. Has anyone else noticed this, has CCP or a current 'bug' changed them, or is it just me/my client ?
Eve has sound (happy to oblige).
Check your settings --> There's a tickbox for "Use Quiet Turret Sounds", makes the lasers etc quiet... |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:02:00 -
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So essentially what your saying is, you want a bot. Without botting. So you can mine completely AFK.
Right fantastic idea! +1 all that shite. Though I'm lying. Its a terrible idea, and for the love of god, stop playing.
For every player ship that blows up, the wheels of the economy turn slightly faster. -áDo your bit today. -áGo out and PEW.
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Marl Xun
Xun Armaments Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:03:00 -
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Dawiid BenAimaic wrote:Some things I do not hear.
If suicide gankers come to the belt looking for bots, I do not hear them. Nor should you. Someone warping onto grid is not an inherently hostile act that should require notification.
Dawiid BenAimaic wrote: If they try to hail me, I do not hear it. If they try to bump me, I do not hear it. Agreed. This would be useful regardless of the situation. I know I've tried countless times to chat with a friend only to sit there waiting until the, "Sorry, I was afk," message.
Dawiid BenAimaic wrote: If they target me, I do hear that. Agreed. Modern day jet fighters have an alarm when they detect the energy signatures of active targeting. You're telling me 20,000 years in the future we can't have the same thing?
Obviously, make this conditional somehow, or your speakers will melt if you get primaried in a 1200 vs. 1200 conflict... ;)
Dawiid BenAimaic wrote: Tell me if a crystal has failed. Tell me that a new craft has arrived in the belt. Tell me that I am about to collide with another ship. Tell me that my mortal enemy is now on radar. Tell me that I am being jammed. Tell me I need to go to battle stations for rats have entered the belt. Tell me what I need to know to do the mining
No. Pay attention. |
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Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
28
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Posted - 2012.04.10 19:19:00 -
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I'm no miner and I have very little opinion on this subject, but most of y'all who are telling the OP to HTFU need to get laid...
Chill, they're just sound effects. As a general rule, the more of them a game has, the better. |
Dawiid BenAimaic
Dasa Fern Valley Jamaican Rum Transport Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:18:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:Dawiid BenAimaic wrote:so that they can mine safely Are you still mining near Osmeden ? Yes, you can find me in Osmeden for a couple of hours at least once a week. Well maybe not during spring break but almost every week.
I would also like to thank all those who commented, for or against.
I did have to reduce turret sounds so that I could hear the radio chatter from the rats.
I have tried AFK PvP in 0.0 but it did not turn out well for me.
The thought of a collision alarm in Jita, yes, that was not my best idea. |
Mrs Ranger
Nullsec Pimps Associated Apocalypse Now.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.11 22:30:00 -
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Getting a convo is the only sound option i see as a good one to add. The others are all things that you need to be at the computer to see. The game isnt meant to be played afk. While during certain activities you can do while afk, they were not created to be afk activities.
Rats, Suicide Ganks, and people bumping you off the asteroid are just risks i guess you have to take while you mine afk. An actively engaged miner will see those things and have time to react, why should you get to do something else while playing and have it just as easy for you to get away as someone who is actually there?
Also if they add sounds for mining, they would need to add those sounds for every aspect of the game, so ships jumping on grid, bumping, and other things of that nature would have those sounds in every situation. It just isn't realistic to add those sounds in.
Also many miners run multiple clients at the same time and it would be very annoying to get sounds from every client at the same time, and not know exactly which account has something happening. |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. Citex Alliance
18
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Posted - 2012.04.11 23:15:00 -
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Removing the threat to AFK mining would only benefit a few lazy people. There is risk to mining AFK (as there should be because your 1 step away from botting).
If you want to mine AFK then accept the risks involved. Mine in a cheap ship, plan your mining spots accordingly, mine with other miners and use voice coms (with at least 1 person not AFK mining), mine in grav sites / dead space sites, etc.
If you want to AFK mine while in front of your computer buy a 2nd monitor and keep your client open in the 2nd window, this way you can do other stuff while still keeping an eye on local, overview and dscan. |
Vran DalEsra
Vran DalEsra Corporation
4
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Posted - 2012.04.12 06:24:00 -
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+1 for a conv window sound.
Otherwise, I like it as is. It seems balanced. |
Darthewok
Perkone Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.04.12 11:15:00 -
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Dude, lolol you mean you are still mining manually? All the pros nowadays are using this method or this method. This method is not against the EULA. But maybe against PETA as no one should be forced to endure mining. CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
146
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Posted - 2012.04.12 11:23:00 -
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What a ******* scrub.
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