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Garion Avarr
Amarr Zero Zero Traders YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: Garion Avarr on 18/11/2008 22:41:08 Edited by: Garion Avarr on 18/11/2008 22:39:47 I had been hoping to work on improving the Eve Mail system after the CSM elections, however, it seems that CCP's announced changes to them make this rather more urgent, and so I am bringing this up now.
It's no secret that the Eve Mail system sucks, and sucks badly. Message length is severely limited, just this past week I had to split a diplomatic message into four separate mails. And while four separate mails is a little rare, having to split mails into multiple messages is an everyday occurrence. If CCP is going to limit the number of mails, this is something that NEEDS to be addressed, and addressed very soon.
There is also no easy way that I know of to mark messages as things that you need to deal with -- messages that you have time to read when you log in to change skills, but that you don't have time to deal with until the next day, but that you forget about because they're not new anymore and are lost in a sea of other messages you keep in case you need to reference them at some point. Which brings me to another point, but let's finish this first. We need to either have folders we can put mails in, or a way of marking messages as unread, so that we know to deal with them next time we log on.
As mentioned above, we also need to be able to store old messages without them cluttering our inboxes. This is something that NEEDS to be dealt with BEFORE any limit is set on how many mails appear -- we need to have a way to export mails to a text file, keeping all information about sender, subject, and date sent. Copying and pasting this info to a text file manually is far too tedious, especially for corporate and alliance leaders who get a lot of mail.
An outbox box would also go a long way -- I've more than once had to try and remember if I did or didn't reply to a particular message or send out a mail yet, or been unable to recall exactly what I did say. While not as urgent as the things above, this would be extremely useful. Even better would be if you could keep drafts in it before sending them, instead of having to write drafts in the notepad and copy and paste and then deal with different length restrictions.
I've also seen the idea of an API for mails mentioned, this would be extremely nifty, though not as vital as some of the things mentioned above, many of which are really necessities, and not things that 'should be done' -- they are things that 'must be done.' But an API, and a way to read (and maybe even send) your mails while offline would be totally wonderful for people who send a lot of their time on Eve dealing with mails.
There are possibly other improvements that can be made, and I encourage suggestions in this thread.. |
Garion Avarr
Zero Zero Traders YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 22:41:00 -
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Adding support -- clicked it when I posted the topic but it didn't show up. Odd. |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.11.18 22:47:00 -
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It is a truly sad(and sadly true) statement that replacing the current mail client with Outlook Express 1.0 would be a massive upgrade. We've all known for years what was necessary, and why the devs have chosen not to fix it is utterly beyond me. How this game ever got out of beta with this client I don't know, for that matter - could they not have grabbed something open-source and slapped it in?
As for having to support your own post, it's a known (bug? annoyance? oddity?) in the Assembly Hall, OPs cannot have thumbs. Personally, I prefer to wait until I have something to say in a reply and attach my thumb to that, so that I don't lower my post:support ratio, but instant support is common too. |
Captain Narmio
Baptism oF Fire
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Posted - 2008.11.19 00:24:00 -
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Serious thumbs up for this one. It's time we dragged the EVE Mail client kicking and screaming into... Well, the nineties would be a nice start.
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Bunyip
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.11.19 02:53:00 -
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I know that CCP is in negotiation with Intel for new servers, but maybe they should look elsewhere for system improvements. Talk with Opera/Firefox for an improved IGB, talk with Ipswitch or somebody like that for an evemail server, talk to any one of the numerous forum softwares (such as the free ones for websites).
Admittedly, these are not absolutely critical changes, but they go a long way towards QoL upgrades. I mean, how many times do you have to log into the forums just to post a stinking message?!?
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Deej Montana
Outbound Flight
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Posted - 2008.11.19 08:35:00 -
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Totally agree with all of the above posts. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.11.19 09:52:00 -
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We already discussed a new evemail system. It will be a part of the COSMOS project which CCP showed off a bit at Fanfest.
You should read the minutes of our meetings with CCP. But I assume you did that seeing as you are a candidate .
The changes to how many mails there can be shown was obivously also something CCP did based on CSM's issue raised about too many mails in one's inbox making your evemail unfunctional. But there is too many problems with the proposed way. |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.11.19 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista We already discussed a new evemail system. It will be a part of the COSMOS project which CCP showed off a bit at Fanfest.
You should read the minutes of our meetings with CCP. But I assume you did that seeing as you are a candidate .
The changes to how many mails there can be shown was obivously also something CCP did based on CSM's issue raised about too many mails in one's inbox making your evemail unfunctional. But there is too many problems with the proposed way.
If they discuss improvements and then implement feature removals, I feel wholly justified in attacking them. I'm judging what they're doing, not what they've said.
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Garion Avarr
Amarr Zero Zero Traders YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.11.19 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista We already discussed a new evemail system. It will be a part of the COSMOS project which CCP showed off a bit at Fanfest.
You should read the minutes of our meetings with CCP. But I assume you did that seeing as you are a candidate .
The changes to how many mails there can be shown was obivously also something CCP did based on CSM's issue raised about too many mails in one's inbox making your evemail unfunctional. But there is too many problems with the proposed way.
I'm aware that the CSM has raised the issue about the Evemail system with CCP -- but the current changes CCP has said are planned suggests to me that the CSM might need to raise it again and insist that it be dealt with in a sane way.
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KalEl Trask
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Posted - 2008.11.19 19:19:00 -
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Added my support
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.11.19 20:08:00 -
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Supported |
Ivena Amethyst
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Posted - 2008.11.22 10:35:00 -
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support
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InfamousOne
Chaos Coalition Chaotic Evolution
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Posted - 2008.11.22 20:26:00 -
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Supported...I need to organize my evemails :-)
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Orb Vex
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Posted - 2008.11.23 16:41:00 -
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