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Revolution Rising
Venture Research and Resources New MagnaDyne Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.18 01:49:00 -
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What's going on with locking down BPO's?
I have something like 140bpos that I wish to make available to the corp so people can build and use what they need when they need it. The lockdown system is the only thing that allows me to do this in safety.
After spending about 20 minutes locking down maybe 40 blueprints - they are unlocking as fast as I'm locking them down and voting "yes".
What is going on? Is there a limit to how many I can lock down? Is there a limit on how many I can lock down in a day?
Can we see some documentation regarding the so-called fixes in the last patch that was supposed to fix some of these issues? I do not understand why this system is so complexe and broken. It still requires corp trust so directors and ceos don't unlock them anyhow, so why not just have a "lock" option that works without the need for votes? Small corps don't use or need the vote system as they dont have that many directors that large voting systems are going to do any good anyhow. 1 person or 2 could unlock them with or without a voting system.
And if there are limits on the numbers of BPO's to be locked down - i fail to see how this helps larger corps anyhow, what you gain in the voting system you lose in the limits.
Can you bring this system some damned sanity ?
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Getting Lucky
Gallente Get Lucky Trading
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Posted - 2008.11.18 02:34:00 -
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if you want your corp mates to be able to use the BPOs safely. Put them in a hanger that they can only query not take. This will allow them to manufacture/copy with them by setting the output to a different hanger. And the BPOs will be safe this way. The BPOs will go back into the restricted hanger when research is completed and delivered
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.18 04:46:00 -
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Make BPC |
Satrani Destiva
Just Another Indy Corp Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2008.11.18 09:58:00 -
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Some BPOs are bugged. I'm having the same problem with a few of my BPOs.
The old fix used to be to wait for any votes to run out totally so they don't show in the open votes window then move them to your personal hangar and then back to the corp hangar but this doesn't work now either as I've tried it about 5 or 6 times.
The only thing you can do is keep trying every few days to try and lock them again. Petitioning won't do any good either,
GM response "Sorry to hear that but I'm afraid we are still unable to help you lock it down as we have no access to do so. We can only suggest you try to lock it down by different player and a few more times. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for your understanding." |
Hereticus
Amarr Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2008.11.20 12:26:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=919192
Quote: The patch note needs clarification: this is fixing an error which occurs when locking/unlocking a blueprint where no one votes. There would be an error where you could not propose a future vote on the same blueprint.
We will update and clarify the patch note in due course. The default behaviour should be that the vote is considered unsuccessful where no one votes.
well, screw them. if they can't fix it (which i highly ****ing doubt) then it's up to us to find a solution.
since i have over 600 BPOs i'd like to make available just like Revolution Rising (yes i make copies too, trolls; no, trolls, lockdown was coded for a reason)
my work-around will be to try and upgrade the PE on a BPO to 1 (taking the shortest amount of time) and then try locking it down. I've noticed some really nasty bull**** happening with votes regardless. just take a look at this crap:' http://eve-files.com/dl/179012 http://eve-files.com/dl/179013 (and these were for BPOs that i hadn't voted on previously)
if my work-around doesn't take, i'll probably assume that CCP won't try to fix this issue AT ALL and simply relegate 'lockdown' to other failed and useless 'features' they've bugged to hell and back in the past.
in that case, it will be up to us to adapt or die. If my workwaround doesn't take, i'll probably have to gut my current attempt at offering members a pain free way of accessing corp blueprint originals for research and simply keep those BPOs in a division hangar that is readonly. Which, sadly, is worse than it was before.
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Cheru'bael
Amarr Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2008.11.21 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Cheru''bael on 21/11/2008 14:02:07 the more i think about it, the more i get upset over the years spent upgrading 600 blueprints. the thought ccp doesn't give a rat's ass because i'm one customer out of (i don't know how many tens of thousands) and am just a statistic is cruel joke.
but, whatever. what am i going to do? quit because CCP's stupid coding got even more stupid? besides, they won't admit their mistakes other than that measly "we'll fix the patch notes" |
Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.11.21 17:23:00 -
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no need to research the bpo.
simply open the research menu on a blueprint and cancel out. At that point you've deflowered it and it will submit to your will.
but don't bother locking them down - put them in a query only hangar. |
Cheru'bael
Amarr Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2008.11.22 03:35:00 -
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Edited by: Cheru''bael on 22/11/2008 03:41:20 Edited by: Cheru''bael on 22/11/2008 03:39:10 query only. how cute. gee, thanks. Let's see now. hmmmm...i wonder how pweet sets his corporate hangars. lemmie guess READ ONLY READ ONLY READ ONLY READ ONLY READ ONLY READY ONLY. Thx bud. shove off
unlike most corps i was hoping to take advantage of CCP's intended 'lockdown' function to at least try to open up the access of BPOs so as to spread out the blueprint types a bit more than my 'read only' locations/hangar(s) [and remember how LITTLE leeway CEOs get when trying to control and monitor access. unless yer a paranoid ******* like most people]
failing that of course, i guess maybe i'll have to remember I'M NOT AN IDIOT and give up on 'lockdown' as a useless feature...and personally, i think you pulled that 'cancel' thing out yer arse. I will try it, and if it succeeds i'll owe you an apology, until then i find yer response redundant, condescending and more of a waste of time than a GM response.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.11.22 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cheru'bael and personally, i think you pulled that 'cancel' thing out yer arse.
You are wrong on one thing. Attempting anything via S&I (manufacture or research) on a cherry bpo will "assemble" it.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Cheru'bael
Amarr Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2008.11.22 05:53:00 -
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maybe you haven't been paying attention to the entire thread, but just in case you have ADD: the subject is about blueprints that have already been voted for lockdown. (and if yer from planet MARS perhaps you'll be enlightened by the fact we gotta "assemble" them in the first place in order to lockdown)
oh, and no way in HELL am i going to try pweet's trikki ninja technique even if it does work. i don't feel like getting banned for griefing lab slot queues cuz some dimwit GM listened to a even dumber troll.
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Satrani Destiva
Just Another Indy Corp Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2008.11.22 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Satrani Destiva on 22/11/2008 11:22:06 Cheru, chill man. When people are responding to a request for help you are giving them verbal for it.
I understand your fury. It's a pain in the arse but it's not completely screwed up. It may take some time to lock the bugged prints but they will eventually lock.
As I understand it your prints are not new ones so they have been broken in and are lockable but a short while after you attempt to lock them they become unlocked again. If I am right then you just need to keep trying (possibly with an alt?). This is a long running bug which I'm fairly sure CCP don't know how to fix (a bit like the invention implant bug).
Now, take a deep breath, in through the nose out through the mouth. Count to 10 then make your post. -
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Kita Radeon
Gallente Hakata Group Blade.
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Posted - 2008.11.22 18:21:00 -
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Wow, you are really being an ******* and expecting for people/Ccp to listen to you?
chill the hell out. ---- All my opinions are poorly thought out and do NOT represent my Corp, Alliance, or self when I am Sober. |
DEATH MILF
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.22 19:08:00 -
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Guess who's getting podded the next time they undock? That's right it will be Cheru'bael our winner of ahole of the week.
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Revolution Rising
Venture Research and Resources New MagnaDyne Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.23 03:07:00 -
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Edited by: Revolution Rising on 23/11/2008 03:07:28
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Cheru'bael and personally, i think you pulled that 'cancel' thing out yer arse.
You are wrong on one thing. Attempting anything via S&I (manufacture or research) on a cherry bpo will "assemble" it.
locking down does not assemble the bpo.
edit: unless they changed it last patch, i will try it again. VRR Recruitment
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Revolution Rising
Venture Research and Resources New MagnaDyne Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.23 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cheru'bael maybe you haven't been paying attention to the entire thread, but just in case you have ADD: the subject is about blueprints that have already been voted for lockdown. (and if yer from planet MARS perhaps you'll be enlightened by the fact we gotta "assemble" them in the first place in order to lockdown)
oh, and no way in HELL am i going to try pweet's trikki ninja technique even if it does work. i don't feel like getting banned for griefing lab slot queues cuz some dimwit GM listened to a even dumber troll.
lol ya, I love the experts who get on and start ranting about something completely unrelated to what I was talking about.
VRR Recruitment
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The Vixen
Coalition of Nations
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Posted - 2008.11.23 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson Make BPC
LOL
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Argyle Wynter
Minmatar 4 Marketeers Rura-Penthe
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Posted - 2008.12.05 04:41:00 -
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This has been an on and off again issue for some years now.
Best thing as mentioned above, is to use one of your alts to propose the lockdown vote. Use an alt that has access but no shares to vote on. Then commence the vote with the primary shareholder or shareholders. Sometimes the BPO does not appear to lock down or appears to unlock when you do this. If it does not appear to lock down, close the corp hanger window. Reopen, and see if you can move the BPO.
If you attempt to lock down a print that is already being locked down, make sure that you are not actually be proposing an "unlock" vote. Sounds stupid... but I spent a week proposing lock down votes on what appeared to be very stubborn BPOs and really what I was doing was a mix of lock and unlocks in rapid succession.
Thankfully CCP has implemented somewhat of a fix to the votes/sanctionable items list in the corp tab, because after that week my client would crash to desktop anytime I tried to open it. Convo me if this does not make sense. AW
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