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Pablo Shooni
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Posted - 2008.11.16 08:26:00 -
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what would be the best gallente cruiser for pvp after the patch? what would the setup look like on it?
same question goes for the gallente battleships |
arbiter reformed
Minmatar Systematic Chaos.
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Posted - 2008.11.16 09:12:00 -
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gonna say dominix and dominix anything from blaster dual repers too the nos nuet theing and not to forget the all important remote repping domi...
i really dont think megas are dead tho btw nor hyperions. on mega id defo go dual rep and ions tho |
techzer0
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.11.16 09:29:00 -
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Velator, hands down.
I still like the Vexor |
Elle D
The Taco Stand
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Posted - 2008.11.17 07:50:00 -
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It's not a cruiser but the Brutix is awesome bang for your buck. Dual Rep or plated, it dishes out awesome DPS and with named modules only costs 1-2mil more than a Thorax. I have my suicide Brutix fitting down to 2.7mil per loss.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.17 08:00:00 -
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Dominix, if you can stand to look at such a painfully ugly ship. One of the other drone boats, if you can't. Fit with neuts and laugh at all those pesky frigates when you drop a never-ending supply of light drones. Ignore the blaster ships though, they just suck. ----------- Blaster sig removed for now, pending those "changes we've been working on all day". CCP, don't screw this up.
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Yesukhei
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Posted - 2008.11.17 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Yesukhei on 17/11/2008 11:57:18 I'd rather train for Ishtar, instead of training for Dominix. And it looks nice.
Also, I've seen a nice Rokh sniper build, with 8 gauss' and all low slots fited with magnetic field stabilizers. Hitting enemy from 190 km sounds good if you have an interceptor tackler in your gang. Maybe, this build can be applied to Megathron or Hyperion. |
adriaans
Amarr Ankaa.
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Posted - 2008.11.17 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Elle D It's not a cruiser but the Brutix is awesome bang for your buck. Dual Rep or plated, it dishes out awesome DPS and with named modules only costs 1-2mil more than a Thorax. I have my suicide Brutix fitting down to 2.7mil per loss.
considering one loose about 6-8 mill after insurance just on a battlecruiser (any hull) i can't see how you can only loose 2-7 mill even if you t1 fit it....unless you get ships + modules for way below normal prices... -sig-
Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.17 13:47:00 -
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Cruiser: Vexor BC: Myrmidon BS: Dominix (can you say 'horrible to look at?')
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.11.17 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Cruiser: Vexor BC: Myrmidon BS: Dominix (can you say 'horrible to look at?')
Pretty much this. Drone's are still effective if you're able to carry a few types and switch them out depending on your target. Blaster boats are much less effective, because it's much harder to get in range now (most people carry a scram, and that switches your MWD off), and because it's harder to slow someone down. Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . . |
Johnny Gurkha
Death Cult Covenant
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Posted - 2008.11.17 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mickey Simon Blaster boats are much less effective, because it's much harder to get in range now (most people carry a scram, and that switches your MWD off), and because it's harder to slow someone down.
By the time you managed to scram a Brutix you'd be webbed and in armour... and god help you if they have ECM drones
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.11.17 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Gurkha
Originally by: Mickey Simon Blaster boats are much less effective, because it's much harder to get in range now (most people carry a scram, and that switches your MWD off), and because it's harder to slow someone down.
By the time you managed to scram a Brutix you'd be webbed and in armour... and god help you if they have ECM drones
Assuming you're in a same class ship, then that's certainly a possibility, yes. Your point about ECM drones is also quite a good one. However, it still seems to be a little harder for blaster ships to get right in and disable an opponent though, especially if the opponent is either a smaller class, or fitting an AB. Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . . |
Shadow's Caress
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Posted - 2008.11.17 14:42:00 -
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If you're going strictly for cruisers, go with a blaster fitted thorax w/ ECM drones. Oh, and fit a MWD despite what others are saying. All you need it for is getting into range. It's a very very effective ship for it's price, and they are NASTY in small wolfpacks. I'm just glad caldari noobs never wizened up and traded their drakes for these things.
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Robert0288
Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.11.17 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Cruiser: Vexor BC: Myrmidon BS: Dominix (can you say 'horrible to look at?')
This or we can expand to other T2 ships
HAC: Ishtar (another drone boat) AF: Ishkur (yes more drones) inty: Both extremly good at what they do, speed/tackle or DPS (taranis)
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.17 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Robert0288
Originally by: Cpt Branko Cruiser: Vexor BC: Myrmidon BS: Dominix (can you say 'horrible to look at?')
This or we can expand to other T2 ships
HAC: Ishtar (another drone boat) AF: Ishkur (yes more drones) inty: Both extremly good at what they do, speed/tackle or DPS (taranis)
With all the droneboats, I'm sure people can spot a pattern here... Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.11.17 17:41:00 -
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megathron
that is all ( i just read the title )
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.17 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 megathron
that is all ( i just read the title )
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Sigras
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Posted - 2008.11.18 11:44:00 -
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i like the way my domi looks |
Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.11.18 12:00:00 -
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The ishtar is way up ther with the best hacs, For t1 the thorax but also vexor both make excellent pvp ships depending on your skills.
And theyre both good fun to fly, too.
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Boosters and PirateProfessions
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Tandin
Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2008.11.18 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
With all the droneboats, I'm sure people can spot a pattern here...
Well, he was asking about gallente boats and there aren't an excessive number of gallente missile cruisers.. oh wait.. the patch
Grab your ship, get in fleet.. Eve is a party and PvP'ers just party harder. |
Lord Morgo
LEGI0N
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Posted - 2008.11.19 00:13:00 -
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BS wise, Megathron gets my vote. Although a neut Dominix is a close second. |
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.11.19 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0 Velator
Truly the best ship in its class. Needs a nerf imo
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Master Technique
Club Bear
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Posted - 2008.11.19 02:33:00 -
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This is a pretty impossible question imo, because of the fact that every single situation in EVE pvp is unique.
In WOW for example, if you are a 70 mage, and you see a 70 rogue, you are always going to do the exact same thing to kill him.
In EVE, ships can be fit a million different ways, and you can put them in millions of different situations. Only in retrospect will you be able to determine what would have been the best ship for the fight. Before you go out on a roam, all you can do is fit the ship you have the most fun flying, with the best mods you can afford to lose.
For gallente cruisers for pvp, you really only have 3 choices, and all can be very good, even post-patch.
The thorax is typically the most sturdy if you fit it 4 sml guns/1med nos, AB/web/scram, MAR/1600rtp/eanmx2/dc. Medium guns are doable, and help dps, but i wouldn't reccomend it for solo.
The Vexor is usually the most dps with the drone bonus. Fit doesn't matter a lot, I usually do the lows same as a rax but with one less eanm, same mids, and whatever you want on top. This is a really good ship but won't survive as long as a rax.
The celestis can either do ewar, which its good at for gangs, or you can shield tank it (scram/LSEx3/invuln in the mids, DC/SPRx2 in the lows), which people never see coming. 3med/2sml drones and a rack of small blasters and it can even do a little dps=)
But yeah, to sum up, there is no perfect ship. Just fly what sounds fun. ________________ Master Technique Latest Video:Never Gunna Stop
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Tobias Xiaosen
Gallente The Perfect Storm Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2008.11.19 08:28:00 -
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My unending love for the Myrmidon, and my refusal to fly anything else should tell you which I think is best.
Originally by: F'nog Take that as you will.
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Huurtney Gurdsen
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Posted - 2008.11.19 09:36:00 -
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Thorax, its cheap fast and does damage. Yea, though I wart through the valet of thy shadowy hut I will feed no norman. |
Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.19 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Xiaosen My unending love for the Myrmidon, and my refusal to fly anything else should tell you which I think is best.
Myrmidon is preety awesome, and worst thing about facing one is that you never know how it's fit.
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Shazard
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Posted - 2008.11.19 11:26:00 -
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Kind a noob here asking...
Why when I read about gallente good ships, Vexor comes out not Thorax! Thorax has additional Turret, more Powergrid, more shield, more armour, faster, more CPU... Only drones is better for Vexor. So how exactly you get Vexor even close to compare to Thorax? Shouldn't Thorax allways outperform Vexor? I see Vexors a bit over average in prices, why is that... what am I missing here?
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.19 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 19/11/2008 12:01:06 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 19/11/2008 12:00:38
Originally by: Shazard Kind a noob here asking...
Why when I read about gallente good ships, Vexor comes out not Thorax! Thorax has additional Turret, more Powergrid, more shield, more armour, faster, more CPU... Only drones is better for Vexor. So how exactly you get Vexor even close to compare to Thorax? Shouldn't Thorax allways outperform Vexor? I see Vexors a bit over average in prices, why is that... what am I missing here?
Vexor always outpreforms the Thorax post QR (and it was quite a toss-up pre QR really).
Warp scramblers make it trivial to disable ships like Thoraxes and render them incapable of reaching medium blaster range, the only crutch the Thorax relies on being ECM drones... add to that the vastly superior performance of the Vexor vs smaller targets and all, it becomes a no-brainer to use a Vexor.
Ships relying on medium blasters and without a range bonus of any sort (like Thorax, Brutix) are incredibly gimped and more of a comedy option in PVP.
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King Rothgar
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Posted - 2008.11.19 12:56:00 -
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Probably the Vexor. Drone boat cruisers typically do quite well in pvp thanks to their ability to murder frigates/inties/AF's and chew up cruisers too. Carry a variety of T2 drones with a plate setup and you should do fine. Range is pretty flexable on these ships as are high slot options. I lean towards neuts/NOS but guns/missiles are an equally good option.
The thorax is not dead. It's true that the shorter range scrambler is more popular now and that seriously gimps it, but many people still prefer the longer range models on most ships. Thus the thorax is and pretty much always has been a solid pvp ship. It took a hit in QR but it's still a good option. It is more expensive to properly fit than a vexor. |
Caleb Marathon
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Posted - 2008.11.19 13:48:00 -
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Vexor for pvp cruiser ownage. Throw in some neuts and some cap gainage in the ownage
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Pichonsita
Caldari FILTHY MINKY CORP DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.11.19 13:59:00 -
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deimos, nothing more to say
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Murina
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.19 14:11:00 -
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Bestest gallente ships:-
BS = Domi BC = Myrmidon Cruiser = Vexor
Mostly cos blasters suck arse with this new patch (along with a lot of other things) although these ships were good pre-patch as well.
POST NERF PVP SKILLS: "shall we engage?" "hmmm how many ships do they have?" "more than us" "lets not bother then" "WOW great job FC!!!!" "................. |
Elias Modron
Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.11.19 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Xiaosen My unending love for the Myrmidon, and my refusal to fly anything else should tell you which I think is best.
I've always struggled to like the Myrmidon. I find it a very awkward ship to fit out and am never fully satisfied with it. After flying HACs for so long I fancy another crack at the battlecruisers, mind sharing some setup ideas?
On topic: Drones boats are the best generally. Blaster boats for balls-to-the-wall action.
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Hot Tubes
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Posted - 2008.11.19 16:39:00 -
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While I love drone boats I can't help dismaying at the idea of facing a passive shield tank with them, especially something fearsome like one of those caldari command ships with their gigantic tanks. With most races you can do a neut domi type of thing to wear them down then let the drones finish them off, but not with those fellows, plus the drone dps hits its limit at something like 400-500 isn't it? |
Murina
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.19 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hot Tubes While I love drone boats I can't help dismaying at the idea of facing a passive shield tank with them, especially something fearsome like one of those caldari command ships with their gigantic tanks. With most races you can do a neut domi type of thing to wear them down then let the drones finish them off, but not with those fellows, plus the drone dps hits its limit at something like 400-500 isn't it?
True but the trade off for a ship having a passive tank that can stand up to a fully skilled domi with its drones is a lack of mwd/afterburner, point and web so the best your passively tanked target can do is chase you off cos he cannot tackle and kill you.
While the domi can fit all of those tackle and speed mods and a twin rep + heavy resistance tank fit. |
Streikeer
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Posted - 2008.11.20 06:44:00 -
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A Myrmidon with AC's is always a rude surprise to people. |
Joe Martin
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Posted - 2008.11.20 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Streikeer A Myrmidon with AC's is always a rude surprise to people.
Passive tank + AC's. So good. So many bitter tears when used as bait. |
Taliban Girl
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Posted - 2008.11.20 12:28:00 -
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drones die fast to smartboms. MEGA is the best dps BS out there has been and always be ;) cruiser -thorax - cos if an inty try's to cut your mwd you have warrior II's |
Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.20 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Raimo on 20/11/2008 12:37:22
Originally by: Hot Tubes While I love drone boats I can't help dismaying at the idea of facing a passive shield tank with them, especially something fearsome like one of those caldari command ships with their gigantic tanks. With most races you can do a neut domi type of thing to wear them down then let the drones finish them off, but not with those fellows, plus the drone dps hits its limit at something like 400-500 isn't it?
Hint: Drone boats have turret slots as well. Drone boats also have enough midslots for close range QR gank/tackle fits, as well as fits that can choose to be moderately effective BOTH as med range drone boats and in your face blaster boats. Funny patch, ainnit?
For me the best Gall ship has to be Ishtar for the type of pew I do. Right before the patch it was a toss up between Ishtar, Deimos and Ranis, with slight preference for Deimos.
Not really happy gimping the Deimos DPS with falloff- Null M so it stays in the hangar atm. The Thorax does not even have this option so it was nerfed to be one of the least desirable cruisers after having been gank king prepatch. Ofc it can still score kills depending on the enemies fittings but the drone boats atm are just so much more reliable. |
atiJ sdrawkcaB
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Posted - 2008.11.20 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sigras i like the way my domi looks
*dials 911*
The FBI are on their way to your house with a SWAT team, hostage negotiator, paramedics and emergency psychiatric specialists. God save us all!
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Sabrina Al'Kian
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Posted - 2008.11.20 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sabrina Al''Kian on 20/11/2008 22:19:33 One thing you guys aren't getting is that the Thorax can STILL shoot a Vexor's drones. Also, chances are good that by the time the Vexor gets a scram on you, you're both webbed and you're coasting into blaster range. Unless he's on the ball and fitting an AB, the Thorax shouldn't have any trouble.
On that note, I would put in my vote for the Lachesis for the best Gallente PvP ship. 18km-20km scram allows you to actually fit a MWD and fight at range, which is usually dangerous to do now. Also, you have a wide variety of options as to Ewar pick; I personally use ECM because damps just don't seem to do anything anymore. The one problem with this ship is tank against missiles and drones, so I always fit a medium smartbomb on mine to take care of drones (you can usually do this before you die, but it can be a toss up). And yes, it doesn't have the best DPS out there, but this fit will still trounce the average Vexor/Thorax/Deimos/Brutix. It has trouble against the harder-tanking ships, but that's the trick with solo PvP: you need to be able to choose your target. |
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.22 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Raimo
Not really happy gimping the Deimos DPS with falloff- Null M so it stays in the hangar atm. The Thorax does not even have this option so it was nerfed to be one of the least desirable cruisers after having been gank king prepatch. Ofc it can still score kills depending on the enemies fittings but the drone boats atm are just so much more reliable.
Ok, took the old Deimos for a spin in a pretty well-rounded small/mid-size gang and I have to retract a little, it still has its uses as a gank ship when proper support is around... Though my fit was not entirely cookie-cutter.
But for solo/ really small gangs it still is in need of some midslot love.
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Little Fistter
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Posted - 2008.11.22 06:56:00 -
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Several great Gallente ships, but the best are:
- Ares and Taranis Inteceptor
Incursis Frigate Ishtar Heavy Attack Cruiser Vexor and Thorax Cruiser Enyo Advanced Frigate Myrmidion Battlecruiser Dominix Battleship
All are great if you have level five skills.
I want to caution first time Megathron pilots: This is a tricky ship to fly unless your base skills (mechanic, engineering, electronics, navigation and spaceship command) are fours or fives. This is a great ship but it is far less forgiving than a Dominix.
Remember, if you are flying solo you aren't getting the best part of the game! By their diversity of ships and skills, a gang is far superior to any soloer. Had a bad experience? Get over it and try again! You will have far more fun in a good corp than alone.
Not having fun? Change corps!
Fly Safe, all. Suggestion: Please color jump gates the same color as the system security rating of the destination system in the overview.
LITTLE FISTTER
Broken Sigs?
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Torhas
Carebears Moan Alot
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Posted - 2008.12.02 06:17:00 -
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BS size :
Gang -> Domi either RR or Neuts
Solo/2-3 pilots Gang -> Kronos hands down. - Smarties > ecm drones - Huge DPS - Huge Tank (1K+ DPS tank + 40 cap booster 800 anyone ?) Run if you see a falcon around tho :P
Cruiser Size :
Myrm - Ishtar - Brutix - deimos - etc.. almost all cruiser sized gallente's ships are good for pvp
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rez914
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.12.02 09:45:00 -
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I looooove Vexors so much I bought a BPO so I can lose them by the dozen. Thing is I found a fitting that is slowing my Vexor losing spree.
4x Ion Blaster II's w/ CN or FN Antimatter 1x Salvager ---- 10MN MWD Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II ---- Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
Drone rack 1: 2x Ogre II, 2x Hammerhead II, 1x Hobgoblin II Drone rack 2: 5x Warrior II
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Tactics This Vexor is not meant to be a soloship at all. It's mainly surprise DPS. It's very survival depends on there being juicier targets than "a fukn Vexor". So now that you're sure your target is shooting something else hit Approach and bump that mofo. Launch drones, web, scram, blaster. I tend to Keep at Range - 1500m, you may orbit if you like but most people are too busy pewpin' their pants watching their health drop. Against other drone boats pop their drones first while keeping them tackled. |
Louis deGuerre
Gallente Universe At War
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Posted - 2008.12.02 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 02/12/2008 15:06:27
I had eight kills in my Blasternis saturday, so it seems to work just fine post-patch. I do have to work harder now I've lost > 1000 m/s The nice thing about it is that it is so difficult to catch. Fast in, fast out It's also nice to be in a ship feared by all the other inty pilots.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Universe At War
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Posted - 2008.12.02 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 02/12/2008 15:06:09 Cleared duplicate post
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Draco Rosso
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Posted - 2008.12.02 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow's Caress If you're going strictly for cruisers, go with a blaster fitted thorax w/ ECM drones. Oh, and fit a MWD despite what others are saying. All you need it for is getting into range. It's a very very effective ship for it's price, and they are NASTY in small wolfpacks. I'm just glad caldari noobs never wizened up and traded their drakes for these things.
Too late I come to the same conclusion last week.
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Dasalt Istgut
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Posted - 2008.12.03 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Dasalt Istgut on 03/12/2008 12:57:08
Originally by: Mickey Simon
Originally by: Cpt Branko Cruiser: Vexor BC: Myrmidon BS: Dominix (can you say 'horrible to look at?')
Pretty much this. Drone's are still effective if you're able to carry a few types and switch them out depending on your target. Blaster boats are much less effective, because it's much harder to get in range now (most people carry a scram, and that switches your MWD off), and because it's harder to slow someone down.
Uh, I don't know. Blaster ships are my weapons of choice and I haven't had issues getting into range. You just need scram + web + MWD. Likewise these days its heavy tackle or don't bother. My Brutix has been a workhorse as far as that goes. Doesn't need to survive long (gank fit), just needs to survive *long enough* for my gang to aquire lock + point.
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Pericles Redstorm
Caldari FishBones
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Posted - 2008.12.03 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Pericles Redstorm on 03/12/2008 13:21:15
For the BS I'm gonna have to say Mega, just my preference. If you have the right skills for fitting one of these with out fitting mods they are sick . I have seen a Sniper fit Mega fleet tear things apart while armor reping each other at the same time. It really depends on what you want to do, but hey I like sniper ships lol.
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nightrain914
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Pericles Redstorm Edited by: Pericles Redstorm on 03/12/2008 13:21:15
For the BS I'm gonna have to say Mega, just my preference. If you have the right skills for fitting one of these with out fitting mods they are sick . I have seen a Sniper fit Mega fleet tear things apart while armor reping each other at the same time. It really depends on what you want to do, but hey I like sniper ships lol.
With Gallente I love to use dual damage bonused ships and take advantage of both bonuses.
So in the BS I'd put blasters on a Dominix and use it to raep face with blasters and drones. Also a dual-repping cap-injected Blasta Hyperion is pretty fun. |
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Sean Faust
Gallente Point of No Return Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:40:00 -
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Vexor and Thorax are both great, but Thorax has to be pickier about what it engages. Vexor can bring a lot of hurt though with 5x Warrior II, 5x Hammerhead II, and 5x light ECM drones in the drone bay. Fit some electron blasters in the highs, a buffer in the lows, and standard tackle in the mids, and you've got yourself the beginnings of an excellent pvp ship.
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