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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jeirth Edited by: Jeirth on 12/11/2008 11:43:41 Personally, I foresee a future where those who scam with the tokens will get lifetime bans, as they are effectively removing other players from CCP's game, which is not something CCP will encourage.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Edit: Oh and CCP don't have to prove anything, they just have to decide something isn't what they want, we pay them to play their game, its up to them to decide who they allow to play their game and how they can play it.
That's very true. CCP can do what they want. If they want to make scamming ingame time cards a bannable offence, they can.
Look at it like this.
Pilot A spends a lot of his time building up enough money to pay for the in game GTC. They go on contracts and buy one, but wait, it's a scam it's not really one at all!!
Pilot A just got scammed out of 400 mil+ and he can't carry on playing EVE. I don't think CCP would be happy about that.
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Bodo Backer
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:04:00 -
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if plex scam would be illigel ccp wouldn have implemented them into the player controlled market.
further a scam has no negative consequences to ccp.
it's legal!
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Andraine
Pilot A spends a lot of his time building up enough money to pay for the in game GTC. They go on contracts and buy one, but wait, it's a scam it's not really one at all!!
Pilot A just got scammed out of 400 mil+ and he can't carry on playing EVE. I don't think CCP would be happy about that.
On one hand I feel that this should be allowed because no real-currency fraud has occurred. No PLEX card was involved, just a fool and his money. This is superficially no different to the 'Navy Raven' scam where somebody buys a regular raven for 400m because they didn't check the contents of the contract.
I can't really see how CCP would want to try and enforce a ban on this sort of scam.
On the other hand, your point is valid because the guy who got scammed may not be able to afford another license, so suddenly they are locked out of the game. I can't think of an existing scam that could have such a result.
I'm not sure what to make of this situation.
The other angle is a scam whereby somebody manages to get their hands on one or more PLEX licenses without paying. i.e. Player A buys GTC, converts it to a PLEX in-game, then does something dumb and loses it. This is fairly clear-cut imho, tough luck. Once you convert it to an ingame item you are on your own.
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bodo Backer if plex scam would be illigel ccp wouldn have implemented them into the player controlled market.
further a scam has no negative consequences to ccp.
it's legal!
You're so wrong it's funny
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:08:00 -
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How about we bet on CCPs stance on the subject by using our common sense?
I bet that they will NOT allow scamming involving PLEX. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Hixxy
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran How about we bet on CCPs stance on the subject by using our common sense?
I bet that they will NOT allow scamming involving PLEX.
what this guys said simply because the gm's would be over run with petitions otherwise.
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:13:00 -
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people seem to think there's a rule where, because scamming on ships and modules is aloud that scamming GTC's is allowed too.
I'm a noob. I've spent the last month making ISK so I can buy a GTC, then I get scammed and I can't afford to buy another one! My account is now expired! I now have to use real money to open my account! But I can't afford it! I can't play EVE!! Noooooooo!!!
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Quazal Atreides
Gallente Indictus Commeatus
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit If you type in 55M instead of 550M in the "secure method" then too bad, so sad, you are dumb.
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I did see the guy who put 500k instead of 500mill in the amount when he sold one LOL [/url] |
Mithfindel
Gallente Gariushi Foundation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:44:00 -
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The only scams possible here are: - Using the market in such of a fashion that someone might be tricked to buy a grossly overpriced PLEX -> Not a scam as far as I can see. - Using the market to set a very low buy order so that one might be tricked to sell a grossly underpriced PLEX -> Not a scam as far as I can see. - Using the contract system in such a way that you're selling some other item / selling nothings -> Easily avoidable if the PLEX appears in the item search. Use the item search when buying. -> It's the buyers responsibility to check that you get what you've ordered. -> If selling (=you've spent real money), you can likely get a better price anyway by setting a sell order, unless there's a very good-looking buy order. Count the zeroes. That way you won't be tricked, unless you set the sell price to take money off your wallet or something silly like that - well then it's your problem. -> Underpriced buy / overpriced sell problems do apply to contracts, as well, so you need to be careful when buying/selling.
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GM Grimmi
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:32:00 -
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CCP has not made any special exceptions for the PilotĘs License items. They are treated as regular in-game items with regards to market orders and contracts. Scams are easily avoidable by careful scrutiny of market orders and contracts and we urge anyone to be alert when dealing in PilotĘs Licenses.
Be sure to check actual item in contracts and the actual price of the PilotĘs License on offer. Also make sure to check prices for PilotĘs Licenses in market buy and sell orders before accepting the transaction.
As with any policy, this is subject to change if deemed necessary.
GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi CCP has not made any special exceptions for the PilotĘs License items. They are treated as regular in-game items with regards to market orders and contracts. Scams are easily avoidable by careful scrutiny of market orders and contracts and we urge anyone to be alert when dealing in PilotĘs Licenses.
One of the many reasons I love EVE
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:35:00 -
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Another win for natural selection. -
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DrefsabZN
Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:37:00 -
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Yup long story short if your stupid enough to fall for a scam then you deserve it :)
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:38:00 -
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OMG, let me get my mop first.....
Originally by: CCP Mitnal You put a bear in your tea???
Clear Skies - an EVE vid with a difference.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: GM Grimmi CCP has not made any special exceptions for the PilotĘs License items. They are treated as regular in-game items with regards to market orders and contracts. Scams are easily avoidable by careful scrutiny of market orders and contracts and we urge anyone to be alert when dealing in PilotĘs Licenses.
One of the many reasons I love EVE
Aye, love them too.
Especially because of this one:
Originally by: GM Grimmi
As with any policy, this is subject to change if deemed necessary.
as we are now none the wiser and speculations can run amok as usual. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Demeterus
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:45:00 -
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I've not decided. If I sell you a regular raven touted as a CNR in Jita, it's not actually going to prevent you from playing the game. If I buy one of your Plex's, then I can - in the worst case - physically prevent you from playing the game.
Otoh, if people fall for it...
I've not decided, but I don't think a Plex is equivalent of a fake navy raven.
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Tasty Bit
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran How about we bet on CCPs stance on the subject by using our common sense?
I bet that they will NOT allow scamming involving PLEX.
It depends if certain people are familiar with the words "common" and "sense". Judging by other decisions of late, the answer might not be too obvious.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:50:00 -
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If I play the game using ISK, and blow all my ISK on a raven to mission better, find I didn't really get a raven, can't mission better, can't get next month's ISK together in time, then a raven scam prevented me from playing. -
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Mallikan
Gallente Plundering Penguins Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn If I play the game using ISK, and blow all my ISK on a raven to mission better, find I didn't really get a raven, can't mission better, can't get next month's ISK together in time, then a raven scam prevented me from playing.
You prevented YOURSELF from playing by not paying attention to what is clearly stated in the contract. You know what little box that pops up, the confirmation message? Don't click it off the screen so fast like it's a mini game. Try reading it before you accept. lol... "raven scam prevented me from playing." And is it your mother's fault you're like this? Nope. --- lol.. I messed up.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mallikan You prevented YOURSELF from playing by not paying attention to what is clearly stated in the contract.
Well yes, this would be my attitude too, I was merely illustrating that it is not impossible to prevent people from playing with more traditional scams, though it is less likely. -
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Demeterus
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:05:00 -
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I'm not pretending any definite views on the subject, since I most likely will never buy or sell plex's.
But that was what struck me. You can still log in even if you have to do those L4:s in a merlin afterwards. Being scammed on a plex might - in the worst case - prevent you from logging in. Anyways, that's how I see it.
But then, caveat emptor.
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Plim
Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:05:00 -
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People actually fall for those scams?
EVE 'Megacorp or STFU' Online |
Ticondrius
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:05:00 -
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EVE has always been a brutal example of Darwinism. I don't know about you, but when I go to buy anything from contracts I look very carefully at the items, the price, and any other terms that might be suspicious, then do it again before hitting that "accept" button. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- RABBLE! RABBLERABBLE!! MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls |
Demeterus
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Plim People actually fall for those scams?
Yes.
Long answer: the effectiveness of a scan is best shown in its prevalence. If they weren't effective, you wouldn't see the scams so often.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Demeterus But that was what struck me. You can still log in even if you have to do those L4:s in a merlin afterwards. Being scammed on a plex might - in the worst case - prevent you from logging in. Anyways, that's how I see it.
Only if you spend the last of your ISK on the scam the day before your account terminates, and even then you could just find a way to pay with money that once. A really bad worst case, which a modi****of planning would avoid.
There can be no sympathy for those who screw up so badly their account deactivates. Though it is amusing that EVE is now so harsh that bad enough players will lose the ability to even log in. -
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Granmethedon III
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mallikan
Originally by: Crumplecorn If I play the game using ISK, and blow all my ISK on a raven to mission better, find I didn't really get a raven, can't mission better, can't get next month's ISK together in time, then a raven scam prevented me from playing.
You prevented YOURSELF from playing by not paying attention to what is clearly stated in the contract. You know what little box that pops up, the confirmation message? Don't click it off the screen so fast like it's a mini game. Try reading it before you accept. lol... "raven scam prevented me from playing." And is it your mother's fault you're like this? Nope.
Exactly the same response applies to anyone who falls for a PLEX scam.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi CCP has not made any special exceptions for the PilotĘs License items. They are treated as regular in-game items with regards to market orders and contracts. Scams are easily avoidable by careful scrutiny of market orders and contracts and we urge anyone to be alert when dealing in PilotĘs Licenses.
Be sure to check actual item in contracts and the actual price of the PilotĘs License on offer. Also make sure to check prices for PilotĘs Licenses in market buy and sell orders before accepting the transaction.
As with any policy, this is subject to change if deemed necessary.
I am pleased and surprised by this post!
I hope CCP are braced for the inevitable problems this will cause, but kudos for having the guts to risk it.
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Kathryn Dougans
Amarr B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:19:00 -
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Meh.
Only thing I would be concerned about is the market breaking.
The other day, I paid for 3 items, only received 2. Hmm. Cleared cache, relogged, nothing. Petitioned. GMs said they couldn't find it. Meh, I didn't really need 3 of them anyway.
Now if that happens with these PLEX things, then that's a problem.
Otherwise, I'm fairly indifferent.
However, I have a Prediction: Local in some places fills with "Help, I lost my isk to a PLEX scam and now I can't play! Please send me isk so I can buy another and I'll pay back 10x the amount!"
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 12/11/2008 16:23:02
Originally by: Demeterus
Originally by: Plim People actually fall for those scams?
Yes.
Long answer: the effectiveness of a scan is best shown in its prevalence. If they weren't effective, you wouldn't see the scams so often.
This, pretty much. I am continually astounded when I see people fall for the old "send me x ISK and i will send you nx ISK back" in Jita local, even after being warned that this is a scam.
As a child I used to think I was extremely intelligent. As I grew older - and EvE confirmed this - I realised that I was merely reasonably bright, but it was just the fact that so very many people are extremely stupid that had confused me.
Most people will believe to be true what they wish to be true even in the teeth of the bitterest opposition from the harsh, uncaring facts.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Plim People actually fall for those scams?
THat's just the blatant stuff. Even funnier is the crap you see in low sec markets, like the chucklehead who bought all the Badgers near Dantumi (for five jumps in any direction) and put them up for 800 million ISK.
ALMOST got me, and having enough ISK to cover that, would have been most...irritating. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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