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Ambo
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.11.07 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ambo on 07/11/2008 12:24:11
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Here are some of the topics discussed:
Provide live economic data dashboard are in the long term plans
5-year long term plans would ideally include
----Full Stock Market feature
----EVE Central Bank
Race-based currencies
Insurance and Trade
Consumer Goods usage
Changing Market Order while OOG
Store Front
Factional Warfare and Tech 1 items prices
No detail available yet but I'm excited... 
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.11.07 14:02:00 -
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I'd happily stick my neck out and say the following will never happen :
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Changing Market Order while OOG
EVE Central Bank
and that these are unlikely to happen :
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Full Stock Market feature
Race-based currencies
The rest is just piffle.
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Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2008.11.07 14:28:00 -
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Market manipulation OOG might happen, because it could offset server load of high traffic trade centers. The opportunities for market bots are large, but then again, market bots are already possible (and not readily used).
EVE Central Bank might also happen, possibly in the same way as the CoSM is run (through election of officials). It all depends on the role of the EVE Central Bank...
Stock market is has been requested for a long time, CCP seems interested, but it would require a lot of work. 5 years is a long time, saying it is unlikely to happen within a 5 year period is... Not wise... Nor realistic.
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flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc
Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2008.11.07 14:43:00 -
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Changing Market Order while OOG
I SO hope this will never happen.As since i can not game too much it's allready hard to adjust my orders and not have someone set theirs 0.01 above mine a few minutes later.This will only even more benefit people with a lot of time either at home or at work.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.11.07 14:50:00 -
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I don't see the point for an Eve central bank anyway. In game, isk is already handled flawlessly. And if the bank were to provide loans or opportunity for investment, that'd compete directly (and IMHO pointlessly) with player-run services.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.11.07 15:00:00 -
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Adding a central bank (through CCP) which offers services to the players at large in game should only happen if the bank is a SINK for ISK.
Look at it this way, imagine EveBank as being legitimized through CCP and now having the ability to secure funding on defaults through printing isk. Not good, not good at all. No a bank should only exist in EVE in the same way that corporations do, player run, owned, and operated. CCP should only assist in providing the tools to make those ideas easier to implement and run.
And market changes from OOG is just a bad, bad, bad, bad, bad idea. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2008.11.07 16:00:00 -
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If the OOG market updates could be done using the API or some similar mechanism, we might finally see some degree of automation emerge, at with the most popular commodities are concerned.
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Robacz
Essence Trade
Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.07 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ambo
Changing Market Order while OOG
The worst idea ever. 
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Manalapan
Dynasty Banking
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Posted - 2008.11.07 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Manalapan on 07/11/2008 18:32:22
I am going to be honest the only ones that I would even want CCP to implement would be...
Race-based currencies
Consumer Goods usage
Store Front
Race based currencies would provide a nice addition to the EVE economy so I like that one. Consumer Goods usage would be good if there was some means of producing them (I really hate NPC involvement in the market). Store Front is good there was an entire thread on it somewhere but the current implementation does not quite tickle my fancy.
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Dragonz Fire
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.08 03:39:00 -
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UGH!
A CENTRAL bank? Or just an eve bank?
Because a CENTRAL bank is the worst thing that could happen to eve.
I mean, the Fed caused the great depression. And Allen Greenspan was on the news the other day saying that he and the Fed screwed up and caused the current economic crisis.
A central bank just ruins the economy and everything it is involved in!
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Richard Cryshaw
Fable - Mining ops
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Posted - 2008.11.08 09:40:00 -
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Hey guys,
Just a thought. Could it be that CCP might incorporate the "Tools" for players to run "Banks" by themselves. This would give yet another aspect to the game. I, with my extensive experience in the stock market and with humble read up knowledge of the banking system around the world in this dark time of economics can only say that having a NPC run Bank or Stock Market will be close to impossible due to the fact that there are so many aspects that are so dependent on the "Human" factor.
However, do you guys believe that they will supply us with the "Tools" of ruinning such entities by ourselves maybe?
Best Regards,
R. Cryshaw
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iudex
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.11.08 10:12:00 -
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Eve Central Bank and Stock Market sounds very interesting, especially if we can invest and receive dividends and interest without having to risk the whole investment in "the next big market scam".
I'd love to see those features, but since that was only a player brainstorming it won't ever happen i guess.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.08 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cergorach
Market manipulation OOG might happen, because it could offset server load of high traffic trade centers. The opportunities for market bots are large, but then again, market bots are already possible (and not readily used).
So is it your argument that everyone should have an easier time of getting an unfair advantage because it is speculated that a few might already be getting an unfair advantage?
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.11.08 14:12:00 -
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1) OOG market orders - ccp don't want to allow log skill training. It's safe to say ccp will never allow oog order updates. Dead easy to macro.
2) eve stock market - wouldn't really work with player corps, short of having additional features like dividend history, CEO announcements & updates/modifications
3) central bank - no real way to automate, if risk free it will generate free isk into game. Only way I reckon it would work is if it had interest rate like RL bank, 5% per annum etc
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.11.08 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cergorach
Market manipulation OOG might happen, because it could offset server load of high traffic trade centers. The opportunities for market bots are large, but then again, market bots are already possible (and not readily used).
The high traffic systems, what causes 95% of the load is people using the market. Apparently the heaviest checks occur when items are moved from one location to another (obviously to prevent any bugs causing duplication of items). So anything that allowed more usage of the market would increase server load, not decrease it. The actual sitting in the station docked will probably cause a lot less load on the server, as the chat causes no load, and you're not transmitting anything for the server to process unless you're doing something. While an API based system is always going to be slower.
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
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Arthor Dark
Gallente
Dark Associates
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Posted - 2008.11.08 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
1) OOG market orders - ccp don't want to allow log skill training. It's safe to say ccp will never allow oog order updates. Dead easy to macro.
Though, this would finally end the 0.01 isk games once and for all :)
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:55:00 -
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it will end .01 bid wars, it will also mean that active players can no longer compete. Ccp don't want a game controlled by macros and neither do I.
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Inara Tyana
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Posted - 2008.11.09 08:54:00 -
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Race based currency sounds awesome. Would be v fun to enter the speculation game.
IMO what this game needs is futures, automatically closed of courese (no physical delivery). Past player attempts at a futures market havn't been terribly successful, however with an eve central bank it might actually become viable.
I'm not exactly sure how they would determine the futures price though (perhaps based off the average for the high-sec regions). With race based currency though this would be fantastic.
Hedging and speculation oh my...
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Jarne
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.11.10 10:20:00 -
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I think you misunderstood the whole thing. The only two points under "5_year long term plans" are the full stock market feature and the EVE central bank. All the other topics were discussed, but most probably not as future feature. I would rather think that they discussed for example why changing market orders from OOG will never be implemented.
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Ambo
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.11.10 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jarne
I think you misunderstood the whole thing. The only two points under "5_year long term plans" are the full stock market feature and the EVE central bank. All the other topics were discussed, but most probably not as future feature. I would rather think that they discussed for example why changing market orders from OOG will never be implemented.
Yes, I think that is most likley. However, I think it's the fact that CCP is willing to talk about all these things which is good.
The fact that the market discussion even happened is an indication that it's an area that is being taken seriously and not just completely ignored.
Tbh it does sound like they're unwilling to spend much effort on the market side of things because most Eve players are simply not interested. As long as it's somthing that's being talked about, I'm content with all the other good stuff that was announced instead.
The only thing from the list which would even really intesterest me is the stock market, all the other stuff is just never going to happen or a sideline issue. It still shows what CCP is about though, and that is more interesting than the list itself.
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