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Sobrenus
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.11.06 13:34:00 -
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Hello guys, I knew this topic was raised before and not 1 time only, but then I looked today on a fresh bought char with some lvl 1 absolutely unnecessary skills I would like to ask you again, could you do it for us please? It will not takes a lot of time to program, you could add up to 3 warning signs and to make 24 hours waiting period, before skill got deleted. What would you say? ------------------------------------------------- My list of found scummers: Alita Tiphares (direct trade scum), Biznismen |
Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum TRUST Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.06 13:45:00 -
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Why would you ever want to delete a skill? Skills are meant to be designed so they don't have negative effects, and thus having one trained is never worse than not having it trained.
Unless you're talking about manually lowering your skills to test things on SiSi with a different set of abilities. But then that's not the point of it really, the idea is that you test it with your skills (and thus in a context you can easily compare with), and other people test it with theirs. On aggregate all situations will hopefully be covered.
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Sobrenus
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.11.06 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gartel Reiman Why would you ever want to delete a skill? Skills are meant to be designed so they don't have negative effects, and thus having one trained is never worse than not having it trained.
Unless you're talking about manually lowering your skills to test things on SiSi with a different set of abilities. But then that's not the point of it really, the idea is that you test it with your skills (and thus in a context you can easily compare with), and other people test it with theirs. On aggregate all situations will hopefully be covered.
I just like to have specialized chars. I don't need industry 1 or projectile turret on a gallent pilot. You think they don't have negative effects, but in the same time no positive effect also. they like trash in the room, which you can not clean. ------------------------------------------------- My list of found scummers: Alita Tiphares (direct trade scum), Biznismen |
Sobrenus
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.11.06 14:07:00 -
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I even have a better example. I have a promotion, so now I have a new office. Previous owner designed it how he want's it, I like almost everything, but some trash on the table, which he has left. So I'm trying to get rid of it and... no success, it is just annoying. It is not hard to implement and it was asked for several times, why not to do it? ------------------------------------------------- My list of found scummers: Alita Tiphares (direct trade scum), Biznismen |
Terror Fox
X29 Ice Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:35:00 -
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As i started EVE, i trained the skill Small Projectile. And i would only see what how cool those Turrets are. But i didnt like them and tried to remove the Skill. And i could not. This Feature would help sorting out Unwanted skills.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum TRUST Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.06 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sobrenus I even have a better example. I have a promotion, so now I have a new office. Previous owner designed it how he want's it, I like almost everything, but some trash on the table, which he has left. So I'm trying to get rid of it and... no success, it is just annoying. It is not hard to implement and it was asked for several times, why not to do it?
I'd say it's more like you've just moved into this guy's office (and inherited his role), and consequently you get a filing cabinet with all the relevant data and reports. Now one of the folders in the cabinet was for a bit of a side project that the previous occupant embarked on, and that is a little distinct from day-to-day business. Now you've got nothing to do with this and ask to get rid of it, but you're not allowed to as it's something your company may be revisiting at some point in the future. So you just have to live with this folder at the back of your filling cabinet behind all the relevant stuff.
This is actually a surprisingly apt analogy, in that skills represent accumulated knowledge/experience, and the ones you want to get rid of are things you think you won't need now, because they affect areas you're not active in, but are definitely things that you could end up doing later if the situation changes. Plus of course they're basically completely out of your way exception when you're "going through the filing cabinet".
It's definitely not the same as a big pile of trash on your desk, either way.
So yeah, I suppose you could get annoyed by this. But then, if you're going to be that control-freaky, I'm sure there are plenty of other things in EVE you could get worried about. Bigger things, like the UI, or the overview bugs, or no server-side state of bookmark folders or overview settings, and so on. Consequently I really don't think you have much chance of getting this implemented, ever...
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OzakiFragments
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.11.06 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sobrenus I even have a better example. I have a promotion, so now I have a new office. Previous owner designed it how he want's it, I like almost everything, but some trash on the table, which he has left. So I'm trying to get rid of it and... no success, it is just annoying. It is not hard to implement and it was asked for several times, why not to do it?
You have a new internet office, you have e-trash on the e-table get used to it. People have wrote more reasonable threads on skill queues and haven't gotten it.
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Sobrenus
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.11.06 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: OzakiFragments
You have a new internet office, you have e-trash on the e-table get used to it. People have wrote more reasonable threads on skill queues and haven't gotten it.
More reasonable? Any why whey didn't get it? CCP was lazy or what? =) Why not to give, then ppl want it and it is not harm anybody? ------------------------------------------------- My list of found scummers: Alita Tiphares (direct trade scum), Biznismen |
Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2008.11.06 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sobrenus Why not to give, then ppl want it and it is not harm anybody?
Because only a minor section of the population is annoyed by this but no-one will actually quit over this.
It takes dev time that can be spent on better things. Quite a bit of dev time because it needs significant testing for correct functioning.
Lastly, no matter how many warning and confirmation boxes they put in, it will generate petitions of people wanting to reclaim skills.
A low dev time solution would be to add a "do not show" checkbox to each skill.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Sobrenus
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.11.06 20:22:00 -
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If you deleted your char - it will not be given back. Should we keep new stuff away, because an y new stuff = more petition? Let's follow this policy =) If you deleted a skill - say bb, that simple. Extra 3 petition a day will not ruin the GM's life and I do believe people will appreciate it. ------------------------------------------------- My list of found scummers: Alita Tiphares (direct trade scum), Biznismen |
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2008.11.06 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sobrenus Should we keep new stuff away, because an y new stuff = more petition? Let's follow this policy =)
The policy is cost vs benefit. The benefit of deleting skills doesn't weigh up to the costs I mentioned.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Kimisoka
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 21:27:00 -
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Heh, people want this because some people have obsessive compulsive disorder, like myself, just minor, but i do enjoy having perfect chars that fly only ships i like to fly, ships i dont fly is a waste of sp in my mind, i been playing 3 years so i have amazingly perfect combat attribute chars with everything i want in skills. All achura combat chars not trained for caldari = win.
But i do agree you should beable to untrain skills just so i can make them even better by not having industry I, or some stupid skill like that. Just so you can have the option if u want. Or like if u wanted to spend a bunch of money for a char just for its name, even if its trained for a race u dislike. You should beable to untrain and retrain other skills to chars, that may be worth more trained ur way. It would add a interesting aspect to the trading character market.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.06 22:06:00 -
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Especially after MASSIVE AND ALL ENCOMPASSING GAMEPLAY CHANGE nerfs.
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.06 22:11:00 -
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Is it so hard to have to sort through skills?
I have 187 different skills and I don't complain.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Takon Orlani
Caldari Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.11.06 23:34:00 -
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You could have a Skill Point Re-allocation feature.
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Ecky X
Shadow Company
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Posted - 2008.11.07 02:53:00 -
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I like my 3 level I industry skills. Sometimes I build ammo or refine loot in-station, because my alt is too far away.
No skill is useless. I therefore put you in the same category as the guy who wanted to fly a Laser-Raven because it looked cool.
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Sobrenus
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.11.07 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ecky X I like my 3 level I industry skills. Sometimes I build ammo or refine loot in-station, because my alt is too far away.
No skill is useless. I therefore put you in the same category as the guy who wanted to fly a Laser-Raven because it looked cool.
If you allow your self to refine with industry 3 without supportive skills for doing it, that mean you are very rich or very unwise. Should I put you to a very unwise category? =) "No skill is useless" are also very unwise idea - then I bought the char I had several absolutely useless for me skills, which I will never use. His lvl 4.25 Industry and Refining lvl 3 I would never use, so this skills are absolutely useless. IF some day a future owner would like to move him in industry direction, he will train it again. Any btw, I like, then the skills are trained on a lvl 1,2...5, not a 4.25 lvl. And yes, I'm taking about SOME estate question now, I like very much highly specialized chars, who don't have any useless skills. ------------------------------------------------- My list of found scummers: Alita Tiphares (direct trade scum), Biznismen |
Tsabrock
Gallente Circle of Friends
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Posted - 2008.11.07 18:20:00 -
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I see no logical reason to delete skills, but as a 5-year-old player with over 300 skills, I would like the ability to *HIDE* skills that I don't want to see, above and beyond the current filters in the game.
For example, lately I've been working on some mechanic skills, building up a few of the remote repair skills. I'd *LOVE* to be able to hide all of the Rigging skills for a while since I don't plan on training any of them in the near future.
The current show/hide skill filters have too few of options, are either too broad and hide too much, or too narrow and don't hide enough. --- AMD 64 4400+ X2 (Dual-Core) 4GB Corsair XMS Memory (2336) ASUS A8N-SLI Premium (1.09 Bios) GeForce 7800GTX 256 Megs; eVGA brand Windows XP Pro and Vista Ultimate 64-bit (Dual-Boot) |
Saint Shir
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Posted - 2008.12.18 09:20:00 -
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Edited by: Saint Shir on 18/12/2008 09:21:15 here here to HIDE rather than untraining (they never do) i have different kind of idea.
You mentioned a failing cabinet that has one folder that you cant throw awqay because company may need it later... YOU also may need it later. I know ALOT of players started as caldari and now purely in amarr ships and not just in them but flying even amarr marauders at all level V skills.
but from time to time they move to theyr missilespamming ships... just for the memory of it.
it would be sad if they would have one time removed all theyr milions of skill points to fly caldari and now need to retrain.
my idea finally: not untrain but to set skill hidden in the character sheet so you dont stumble umon it time to time.... i also hate l1 skills and i also have one level in small hybrid from my day one. (they were cheaper than pew pew turrets go figure....)
you set all your irrelevant or 'unwanted' skills hidden and wont see them.
It may also help skill planning if lets say you want certain skills at level 4 so you only set those visible and just go alphabetically or in whatever order without accessing notebooks, charts, printouts, 3d models, voice memos etc to remember them.
that would be lovely... :P
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Guth
Fatalix Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 11:23:00 -
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I wish I could lose the "Abilities" of some skills at times. Like Tactical Shield Manipulation, I made a char where I didnt train it up just for messing with some tank possibilities, and shield tanking at 15-20% shield allowed a better "oh ****" tank when some of the damage filtered through to the Armor buffer, so my shield was holding alot stronger.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.12.18 20:09:00 -
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Having a skill trained does you no harm, so why bother? -- 249km locking? |
War Fairy
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Posted - 2008.12.18 21:10:00 -
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FAIL.
CCP needs to spend time on features that have game design value. Spending time on a feature that does nothing but placates someone's OCD is a waste of resources.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.19 07:55:00 -
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It must really take an obsessive compulsive person to want to delete skills to clean up a skill tree.. trained skills equal time spent.. I don't approve of reallocation so .. in my mind this is just odd. Why not just keep that part of the tree minimized?
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Navick
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Posted - 2008.12.22 06:29:00 -
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No.
Having a skill you "don't want anymore" does not harm you. It does not even inconvenience you. It does not create an exploit, bug, or other gameplay imbalance of any kind. What you're asking for would be a waste of the Dev team's time, and a waste of whatever portion of the subscription fees paid by the majority of players who are not bothered by this in any way that goes to pay the devs' salaries.
In short: the dev team has much, much more important things to do with their time than coddle your Obsessive-Compulsive tendencies. Get over it.
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z0de
Gallente The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2008.12.22 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Navick No.
Having a skill you "don't want anymore" does not harm you. It does not even inconvenience you.
I counter with it makes me have to scroll just that much more in evemon. How I would love to delete my 12k in missles, stupid bastard caldari missle ***** told me to do it when I was a few days old.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.22 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: z0de
Originally by: Navick No.
Having a skill you "don't want anymore" does not harm you. It does not even inconvenience you.
I counter with it makes me have to scroll just that much more in evemon. How I would love to delete my 12k in missles, stupid bastard caldari missle ***** told me to do it when I was a few days old.
then ask eve mon to allow you to hide skills.
tada
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Lost Hamster
Serenity and Hungarian Operational Team Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.22 14:56:00 -
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I would like to point out a different aspect, why CCP should not implement this. Think about the case, when someone is getting access to your account, and the thief not only removes all your assets he is removing all your skills, and you are there with a char with 1M SP. Or it's not a thief, but someone who wants to f*ck you up. So he is silently removing some of your skills, what you won't notice first, just maybe in a month. They how will you explain that to CCP, when you fill a petition about missing skills.
This would create more problem then good. So forget it!
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Navick
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Posted - 2008.12.22 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: z0de
Originally by: Navick No.
Having a skill you "don't want anymore" does not harm you. It does not even inconvenience you.
I counter with it makes me have to scroll just that much more in evemon. How I would love to delete my 12k in missles, stupid bastard caldari missle ***** told me to do it when I was a few days old.
This. This is the entire point I'm trying to make. There's legitimate complaints, and then there's this.
Normally I try to be pretty tolerant of others' differing viewpoints. In this case, the only response I can think of is "Here's a tissue." Seriously, one extra spin of your mousewheel is not my concern, nor is it worth the Devs' time. I do not pay CCP my monthly subscription so that the Dev Team can spend their precious time accomodating your OCD.
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van Uber
SAE Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.23 09:52:00 -
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I'd like to hear the RP reason for 'unreading' a skillbook. Selective memory loss?
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War Fairy
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Posted - 2008.12.23 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Hamster I would like to point out a different aspect, why CCP should not implement this. Think about the case, when someone is getting access to your account, and the thief not only removes all your assets he is removing all your skills, and you are there with a char with 1M SP. Or it's not a thief, but someone who wants to f*ck you up. So he is silently removing some of your skills, what you won't notice first, just maybe in a month. They how will you explain that to CCP, when you fill a petition about missing skills.
This would create more problem then good. So forget it!
Excellent point. Not to mention the flurry of petitions that would result from this. " I accidentaly deleted all my skills. Please restore them." Complete waste of GM time also.
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