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Ghoest
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:03:00 -
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http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/arizona-bill-could-criminalize-internet-trolling-184547052.html
I hope none of us live there really. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
T' Elk
Happy Little Spaceships Spaceship Samurai
299
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:05:00 -
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****. My. Life. Wait, I live in Virginia? Dodged a bul-
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno is coming // |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
128
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:07:00 -
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Edit your post dude
This means that the Everyone in General Discussion will be going to jail as there is nothing but trolls here
Although if they created a jail for Eve online users and we could play EVE in our cells i dont think that most of the basement dwellers that make up the EVE community would mind all that much.
They are living without women anyway Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
haysis
Unforgotten. SoulWing Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:08:00 -
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Lol, I just finished reading that. America, gotta love it. all this "cyber-bullying" what a F**ing joke. kids these days need to HTFU so we don't have retarted laws like this wasting tax payers time and moeny. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
86
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:08:00 -
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:Edit your post dude
This means that the Everyone in General Discussion will be going to jail as there is nothing but trolls here
Although if they created a jail for Eve online users and we could play EVE in our cells i dont think that most of the basement dwellers that make up the EVE community would mind all that much.
They are living without women anyway
Speak for yourself.....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:09:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:****. My. Life. Wait, I live in Virginia? Dodged a bul- Virginia is clearly the best state in the US. All the other states exist just to entertain us. |
Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
272
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:16:00 -
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I wouldn't be too worried about it, even if I did live in Arizona. The wording of the law sets it up for failure because the language includes "annoy or offend", both of which can't be outlawed due to that little detail known as the first amendment. Any dimwit lawyer looking for a buck and some publicity could get this law shot down so fast it'd make your head spin. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
341
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:16:00 -
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"Ignorance of the law excuses no one." (Ignorantia juris non excusat)
It's already against the law to do such things listed in that law in person or through any other media. That the internet isn't included is yet another feature of its newness. I believe there are people who would communicate such things as are listed in that bill, but I find it hard to believe civil people would object to the fact there are repercussions to those who do. In fact, I'd think it's comforting to know our civility is backed by legality; conversely, incivility is not.
Obviously, EVE attracts more than its share of people who wish to engage in such behavior. The "you can do what you want and not get in trouble" feature exists here to a large extent, but don't overlook the "and not get in trouble" part of that phrase. It infers if you do this stuff anywhere else you WILL get in trouble. If this were not well-known, you wouldn't find these sorts of people seeking refuge from the consequences of their actions here.
The "hip to the jive" publication you link to chose the word "Troll" for its headline. We still argue here about what trolling actually is, and you know that. Too bad the age old Henny Penny behavior isn't illegal; taking a leaf falling on your head to mean the sky is falling, then running around terrifying everyone else about it. You know. Like your post here.
I've always marvelled (awesome, dude) at how the ill-behaved ilk in our culture viewed the internet as a place they could practice their sordid behavior and be above social reproach, and the law. Now, it's just become funny how they're outraged that the law is finally catching up to them. They suddenly want things to be FAIR. How dumb is that? Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Peter Raptor
Knights of Gallifrae
46
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:17:00 -
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US is turning into a Police State, TSA frisking babies and grannies for weapons of mass destruction, I hope I never set foot in that place. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
341
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:19:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:US is turning into a Police State, TSA frisking babies and grannies for weapons of mass destruction, I hope I never set foot in that place. Are you in the place where Rupert Murdoch's minions hacked into tens of thousands of cell phones? By the way, take a look at your country's laws before you fly off the handle. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
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Pyrus Octavius
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
10
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:19:00 -
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If this is true, and it is not itself some sort of troll, then I could not see how this could be prosecuted without being subjected to appeal. Trolling in itself is subjective, and in a fine line case, would cause difficulties in the distinction of being properly interpreted, because everyone's tastes are different. What some people find distasteful others don't. The EvE community itself is a test case for the different attitudes towards whats offensive and what's not. I could see this ending up in the Supreme Court, and eventually being over turned due to constitutional issues. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
48
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:22:00 -
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Like the article says, this probably won't hold up against the first amendment when brought to court. It's a very silly law from a very silly state. "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Ai Shun
572
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:23:00 -
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That type of nonsense makes me so glad I do not live in the United States of America. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
341
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:24:00 -
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Pyrus Octavius wrote:If this is true, and it is not itself some sort of troll, then I could not see how this could be prosecuted without being subjected to appeal. Trolling in itself is subjective, and in a fine line case, would cause difficulties in the distinction of being properly interpreted, because everyone's tastes are different. What some people find distasteful others don't. The EvE community itself is a test case for the different attitudes towards whats offensive and what's not. I could see this ending up in the Supreme Court, and eventually being over turned due to constitutional issues. Trolling wasn't mentioned in the bill. It's in the headline. A guy spray painting fascist symbols on a synogogue wouldn't find it objectionable. The ones offended would. Guess who the courts listen to? The EVE community isn't a dichotomy of real society. And, if you think this Supreme Court would overturn a law like this, you don't know THIS Supreme Court.
There's a lot of wishful thinking going on here. RE: another post. No lawyer worth his salt would bother taking a "trolling on the internet" case.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:26:00 -
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Freedomland |
haysis
Unforgotten. SoulWing Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:31:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Pyrus Octavius wrote:If this is true, and it is not itself some sort of troll, then I could not see how this could be prosecuted without being subjected to appeal. Trolling in itself is subjective, and in a fine line case, would cause difficulties in the distinction of being properly interpreted, because everyone's tastes are different. What some people find distasteful others don't. The EvE community itself is a test case for the different attitudes towards whats offensive and what's not. I could see this ending up in the Supreme Court, and eventually being over turned due to constitutional issues. Trolling wasn't mentioned in the bill. It's in the headline. A guy spray painting fascist symbols on a synogogue wouldn't find it objectionable. The ones offended would. Guess who the courts listen to? The EVE community isn't a dichotomy of real society. And, if you think this Supreme Court would overturn a law like this, you don't know THIS Supreme Court. There's a lot of wishful thinking going on here. RE: another post. No lawyer worth his salt would bother taking a "trolling on the internet" case. And, as I said before, if you think the country you're in has no laws like this, you're very mistaken.
See the thing is, on most forums and FB stuff, theirs this little function called block, people need to learn to use it. America is turning into the land of ****** that need to have their hands held. And this sickens me. We dont need more of these bills being pushed through that are just a huge waste of time and money. |
Kaelie Onren
Pyrrhus Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:32:00 -
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haysis wrote:Lol, I just finished reading that. America, gotta love it. all this "cyber-bullying" what a F**ing joke. kids these days need to HTFU so we don't have retarted laws like this wasting tax payers time and moeny.
I don't follow the logic. Bullying is not allowed in your schools. The rules of that community are enforced by the teachers and principals of the schools. So in this new community called the internet, who else but the government can enforce the same anit-harassment laws?
While in general I would agree that most people should HTFU, but if that means more snarky cynical crass douchebags on forums, then I'd rather them not. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
744
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:35:00 -
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I will gladly allow this law to pass if it applies to the the old media. This way, everytime I am ''annoyed'' at Fox News, for example, they go to jail and pay a fine.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
103
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:35:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:US is turning into a Police State, TSA frisking babies and grannies for weapons of mass destruction, I hope I never set foot in that place. Better watch what you say, or we will extradite you. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
48
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:36:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:I will gladly allow this law to pass if it applies to the the old media. This way, everytime I am ''annoyed'' at Fox News, for example, they go to jail and pay a fine. Good luck with that one. Fraud laws come to mind, but they'll just claim it's "entertainment". E: In fact, I think they already do. "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
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Dhorion Pyler
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:36:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:"Ignorance of the law excuses no one." (Ignorantia juris non excusat)
It's already against the law to do such things listed in that law in person or through any other media. That the internet isn't included is yet another feature of its newness. I believe there are people who would communicate such things as are listed in that bill, but I find it hard to believe civil people would object to the fact there are repercussions to those who do. In fact, I'd think it's comforting to know our civility is backed by legality; conversely, incivility is not.
Obviously, EVE attracts more than its share of people who wish to engage in such behavior. The "you can do what you want and not get in trouble" feature exists here to a large extent, but don't overlook the "and not get in trouble" part of that phrase. It infers if you do this stuff anywhere else you WILL get in trouble. If this were not well-known, you wouldn't find these sorts of people seeking refuge from the consequences of their actions here.
The "hip to the jive" publication you link to chose the word "Troll" for its headline. We still argue here about what trolling actually is, and you know that. Too bad the age old Henny Penny behavior isn't illegal; taking a leaf falling on your head to mean the sky is falling, then running around terrifying everyone else about it. You know. Like your post here.
I've always marvelled (awesome, dude) at how the ill-behaved ilk in our culture viewed the internet as a place they could practice their sordid behavior and be above social reproach, and the law. Now, it's just become funny how they're outraged that the law is finally catching up to them. They suddenly want things to be FAIR. How dumb is that?
You have to do a little more research there guy, as those laws don't do what you think they do. Verbal abuse is not regulated by any law. I can cuss you out all day long and when u swing and hit me, you go to jail and I laugh at you. What you can do is get a restraining order which again doesn't limit the speech, but limits behavior deemed to cause physical violence.
Bullying does not occur between adults as we are expected to take it or walk away. Children on the other hand do not have the option to walk away in most situations. This is the philosophy applied to harassing phone calls not the above mentioned. |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
397
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:39:00 -
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Hurrdurr they hate my freedom.
It's hilarious because Europe will probably copy this wonderful idea. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
344
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:40:00 -
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haysis wrote:See the thing is, on most forums and FB stuff, theirs this little function called block, people need to learn to use it. America is turning into the land of ****** that need to have their hands held. And this sickens me. We dont need more of these bills being pushed through that are just a huge waste of time and money. These arguments I find the most humorous. America has been turning into (fill in the blank) for the past 50 years. Talk to my grand parents you'll find it's been turning into (fill in the blank) for the previous 50 years! I've been waiting half a century now for it to turn into the one or the other. Any idea when this is going to happen? I can hear my grandson now, "You know, if it wasn't for (all the people I disagree with), America would be perfect! These (fill in the blank) are turning it into (fill in the blank.)"
Too funny. Get a clue. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
haysis
Unforgotten. SoulWing Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:42:00 -
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Kaelie Onren wrote:haysis wrote:Lol, I just finished reading that. America, gotta love it. all this "cyber-bullying" what a F**ing joke. kids these days need to HTFU so we don't have retarted laws like this wasting tax payers time and moeny. I don't follow the logic. Bullying is not allowed in your schools. The rules of that community are enforced by the teachers and principals of the schools. So in this new community called the internet, who else but the government can enforce the same anit-harassment laws? While in general I would agree that most people should HTFU, but if that means more snarky cynical crass douchebags on forums, then I'd rather them not.
They don't enforce it, that's the thing. if they did then the whole bullying movement would be dead in the water.
also Douchbages are everywhere, not just the internet., deal with it. |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:43:00 -
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Good. People need to "htfu" and learn a little civility. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
344
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:44:00 -
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Dhorion Pyler wrote:You have to do a little more research there guy, as those laws don't do what you think they do. Verbal abuse is not regulated by any law. I can cuss you out all day long and when u swing and hit me, you go to jail and I laugh at you. What you can do is get a restraining order which again doesn't limit the speech, but limits behavior deemed to cause physical violence.
Bullying does not occur between adults as we are expected to take it or walk away. Children on the other hand do not have the option to walk away in most situations. This is the philosophy applied to harassing phone calls not the above mentioned.
Au contraire mon ami. Au contraire. There is a thing called "offending morals". You can be arrested for offending someone's morals. All you have to do is call a cop. What you cite smacks of talking bad about your mother in a bar, taking a swing at someone and the cops arrest you both. Though, someone calling you bad names can't legally be responded to (no matter how you wish it were different) by punching them in the nose, had you called a cop and declared your morals were offended, you'd see something quite different.
Bullying? I can't believe you haven't heard of "Stand Your Ground Laws." You really need to get some air.
Nothing like Mom's Basement Lawyers. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:46:00 -
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haysis wrote:Lol, I just finished reading that. America, gotta love it. all this "cyber-bullying" what a F**ing joke. kids these days need to HTFU so we don't have retarted laws like this wasting tax payers time and moeny.
you mean like the money we wasted on your education? |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
413
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:48:00 -
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:Edit your post dude
This means that the Everyone in General Discussion will be going to jail as there is nothing but trolls here
Although if they created a jail for Eve online users and we could play EVE in our cells i dont think that most of the basement dwellers that make up the EVE community would mind all that much.
They are living without women anyway
Enjoy the game.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
116
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:49:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Enjoy the game.
Darn it! I just lost. THE GAME.
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Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
125
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:49:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:"Ignorance of the law excuses no one." (Ignorantia juris non excusat)
It's already against the law to do such things listed in that law in person or through any other media. That the internet isn't included is yet another feature of its newness. I believe there are people who would communicate such things as are listed in that bill, but I find it hard to believe civil people would object to the fact there are repercussions to those who do. In fact, I'd think it's comforting to know our civility is backed by legality; conversely, incivility is not.
Obviously, EVE attracts more than its share of people who wish to engage in such behavior. The "you can do what you want and not get in trouble" feature exists here to a large extent, but don't overlook the "and not get in trouble" part of that phrase. It infers if you do this stuff anywhere else you WILL get in trouble. If this were not well-known, you wouldn't find these sorts of people seeking refuge from the consequences of their actions here.
The "hip to the jive" publication you link to chose the word "Troll" for its headline. We still argue here about what trolling actually is, and you know that. Too bad the age old Henny Penny behavior isn't illegal; taking a leaf falling on your head to mean the sky is falling, then running around terrifying everyone else about it. You know. Like your post here.
I've always marvelled (awesome, dude) at how the ill-behaved ilk in our culture viewed the internet as a place they could practice their sordid behavior and be above social reproach, and the law. Now, it's just become funny how they're outraged that the law is finally catching up to them. They suddenly want things to be FAIR. How dumb is that?
This post is pretty epic.. +1
Who's gonna quote for fail? |
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