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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5906
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:25:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Sreegs for president ! Nah.
Sreegs for empress!
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Panties and Stockings
Bro Tech
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:25:00 -
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What's going to happen to the people who got caught in the crossfire? |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
75
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:25:00 -
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To the person complaining about boring isk making activities as a reason why rmt exists. To be honest, the reason most people do this is because of time, not because the activity is boring. You could have the greatest isk making activity ever but if it took days/weeks to do, people would still pull out their credit card and buy isk as it only takes a few minutes.
I'm curious as to see if market prices will increase or drop because of these actions. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
131
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Sreegs for president ! Nah. Sreegs for empress! Sreegs is very much a dude.
I mean, unless he got as drunk as he was at fanfest that one year and took a trip to Trinidad... |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
696
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:27:00 -
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Panties and Stockings wrote:What's going to happen to the people who got caught in the crossfire?
They've been repaired as they've been discovered but I will reiterate something I said in the blog which is that nobody truely innocent has thus far been determined to have been caught in this crossfire...
We've had people do illegal things that cause the system to mislabel them a bit because... what they did was indeed illegal. |
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Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:30:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Mioelnir wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:1) Right now we haven't had to go any farther than the consumer ie the guy who made the purchase. If things change we will as well. So, basically, you have been given carte-blanche to shut down the game by banning every single account producing anything for market if you deem necessary. It's not like we can choose who to sell to on the eve market. No offense, but I think I'll just switch my production chars from 12 month subscriptions to a monthly / as needed basis. Having 250 SP in industry is starting to feel like a security feature. I'm pretty sure you're going a bit overboard here.
I would say it's more likely they are deliberately mis-representing the facts for reasons of their own.
Not saying what those reasons might be but if I were you I would investigate these people for possible RMT infractions. Plus the ones who have responses like "Now I am not defending RMT but if you take action against it it fooks up the game for everyone".
But you've already thought of that haven't you?
PAN
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Lacco
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
9
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:30:00 -
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Quote:While there were reports of false positives related to this event, thus far every single valid "false" positive we've investigated was tagged because they had actually done something wrong, in most cases purchasing an account illegally or enabling RMT sellers via providing them with "loans". This is completely unacceptable behavior and in each instance thus far the purchased accounts were left closed and the loaned isk remained frozen.
I'm sad to see CCP makes claim of this sort. Just roughly three weeks ago GM's banned characters amarri4 and Norlana (who are both friends of mine) who received a plex free of charge at Jita. Supposedly these characters were tagged as result and were immidiately banned after the incident.
How ever, what happened next was that amarri4's petitions were answered and he was unbanned. Norlana remains banned, and his petitions remain unanswered, nor does he have received email to clarify what is the current status of his account.
This kind of activity where CCP blindfold hunts for RMT will lead to a disaster and many of those who are innocent will get banned. As a result I'm concidering closing all my accounts and start looking for another game if this problem remains unsolved for longer period of time. |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:31:00 -
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Good Stuff. |
Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
67
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:32:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Mioelnir wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:1) Right now we haven't had to go any farther than the consumer ie the guy who made the purchase. If things change we will as well. So, basically, you have been given carte-blanche to shut down the game by banning every single account producing anything for market if you deem necessary. It's not like we can choose who to sell to on the eve market. No offense, but I think I'll just switch my production chars from 12 month subscriptions to a monthly / as needed basis. Having 250 SP in industry is starting to feel like a security feature. I'm pretty sure you're going a bit overboard here.
Good. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
696
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:33:00 -
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Lacco wrote:Quote:While there were reports of false positives related to this event, thus far every single valid "false" positive we've investigated was tagged because they had actually done something wrong, in most cases purchasing an account illegally or enabling RMT sellers via providing them with "loans". This is completely unacceptable behavior and in each instance thus far the purchased accounts were left closed and the loaned isk remained frozen. I'm sad to see CCP makes claim of this sort. Just roughly three weeks ago GM's banned characters amarri4 and Norlana (who are both friends of mine) who received a plex free of charge at Jita. Supposedly these characters were tagged as result and were immidiately banned after the incident. How ever, what happened next was that amarri4's petitions were answered and he was unbanned. Norlana remains banned, and his petitions remain unanswered, nor does he have received email to clarify what is the current status of his account. This kind of activity where CCP blindfold hunts for RMT will lead to a disaster and many of those who are innocent will get banned. As a result I'm concidering closing all my accounts and start looking for another game if this problem remains unsolved for longer period of time.
I'm not a GM and can't speak for what they do. You should take this up with them as it has nothing to do with this thread or the work of my team. What I said stands and is 100% accurate. |
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
306
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:34:00 -
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Simply awesome Sreegs.
CSM7 Skype Leak
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Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:34:00 -
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Lacco wrote:This kind of activity where CCP blindfold hunts for RMT will lead to a disaster and many of those who are innocent will get banned. As a result I'm concidering closing all my accounts and start looking for another game if this problem remains unsolved for longer period of time.
Can I have your stuff?
PAN |
Z2ZzzzZ2Z
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:34:00 -
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RE: "While there were reports of false positives related to this event, thus far every single valid "false" positive we've investigated was tagged because they had actually done something wrong, in most cases purchasing an account illegally or enabling RMT sellers via providing them with "loans"." -team security - now with 100% more anti-rmt dev blog.
i heard early on that people who did reimbursements for alliances ( ie: u lose a ship in pvp, post the kill mail and the alliance pays you for that ship) recieved punishement as well. can you confirm this? if so that would be a huge problem. its not our job to figure out who trades illegallly; its urs ccp |
Zaxix
Black Frog Logistics Red-Frog
51
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:36:00 -
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KICK MOAR ASS, PLEASE!!!!
Go go gadget bot killer! Red Frog--Hisec Courier Black Frog--Losec/Nosec Courier
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
701
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:37:00 -
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Z2ZzzzZ2Z wrote:RE: "While there were reports of false positives related to this event, thus far every single valid "false" positive we've investigated was tagged because they had actually done something wrong, in most cases purchasing an account illegally or enabling RMT sellers via providing them with "loans"." -team security - now with 100% more anti-rmt dev blog.
i heard early on that people who did reimbursements for alliances ( ie: u lose a ship in pvp, post the kill mail and the alliance pays you for that ship) recieved punishement as well. can you confirm this? if so that would be a huge problem. its not our job to figure out who trades illegallly; its urs ccp
I won't comment on individual cases except to point to my earlier statement and attest to its accuracy. |
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
59
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:38:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:1) Right now we haven't had to go any farther than the consumer ie the guy who made the purchase. If things change we will as well.
Under what circumstances would you consider going beyond that level?
Quote:2) If I was going to loan someone money I'd make sure I knew who they were etc. In the cases this has popped up the person in question was a well known RMTer. There's no magic formula for this.
My point is how do you know that someone is a RMTer? I'm assuming this wasn't a character named CheapIskFast1234, so how are you supposed to know that they're RMTing? Please keep in mind that accusations of RMTing and/or botting are incredibly popular, and your refusal to discuss the details of RMT/botting-related bans publicly ensures that we have no way of knowing which accusations are legitimate and which are just the usual forum trolling.
Quote:3) In RMT nobody is innocent. In your scenario I can't figure out what player B actually lost? They spent nothing and therefore are no worse off than they were before?
How about time? For example, spending months/years contributing to the alliance, giving ISK, etc, with the expectation that once you reach a certain level in the alliance you get a supercapital. You put in that hard work, you are given the ship that you (as far as you're concerned) have legitimately earned. Except wait, turns out someone in the alliance was RMTing and now your ship has been deleted.
What do you have to say to that person? Too bad, we have to punish the guilty even if it means people who weren't involved have to suffer? Have fun in WoW now that you quit the game? You can claim "we don't allow cheating" all you want, but that isn't going to change the perception of that player that they have been unjustly punished.
Quote:We'll deal with this on a case by case basis but ultimately if there's an alliance run by RMT then I will end that alliance. It's unfortunate that some people may be negatively impacted by that but their leaders were cheating and we're not going to allow people to cheat.
So how do you compensate the people who didn't RMT but got punished anyway? You "end" an alliance because of what some of the leaders did, reverse their station ownership, etc. Now suddenly I log back on and find all of my (legitimately earned RMT-free) stuff trapped in a hostile station where I don't have docking rights.
Are you going to have a GM move my stuff out to a safe station, or are you going to just tell me to shut up and deal with the consequences of someone else cheating?
Quote:I'll also note that your question is hypothetical and I can't truly answer that until I've seen that scenario.
This is not true at all.
If you're going to interfere in a high-stakes game like alliance warfare, you MUST have procedures in place to handle the fallout. It is unacceptable to just declare "we'll deal with it when it happens', and the rules should be public so that everyone knows that these cases will be handled fairly and consistently. |
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
100
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:39:00 -
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The thinly-veiled tears here are delicious.
Bots for the bot throne. ISK for the ISK throne. "The Mittani isn't even gone for a day and CCP's management is already making bad decisions."
THE MITTANI for CEO of CCP 1-800-273-8255 |
Moon Kitten
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:39:00 -
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Z2ZzzzZ2Z wrote:RE: "While there were reports of false positives related to this event, thus far every single valid "false" positive we've investigated was tagged because they had actually done something wrong, in most cases purchasing an account illegally or enabling RMT sellers via providing them with "loans"." -team security - now with 100% more anti-rmt dev blog.
i heard early on that people who did reimbursements for alliances ( ie: u lose a ship in pvp, post the kill mail and the alliance pays you for that ship) recieved punishement as well. can you confirm this? if so that would be a huge problem. its not our job to figure out who trades illegallly; its urs ccp
If that did happen then Sreegs will take that into account, work out what it was about those specific users that triggered a false positive and fix it and move on. Do you really think they should do nothing, ever, unless they can be 100% sure (which is impossible) that no false positives occur? Don't be childish, it's not like they'd leave those people banned after verifying they were doing reimbursements. |
Lacco
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
9
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:40:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Lacco wrote:Quote:While there were reports of false positives related to this event, thus far every single valid "false" positive we've investigated was tagged because they had actually done something wrong, in most cases purchasing an account illegally or enabling RMT sellers via providing them with "loans". This is completely unacceptable behavior and in each instance thus far the purchased accounts were left closed and the loaned isk remained frozen. I'm sad to see CCP makes claim of this sort. Just roughly three weeks ago GM's banned characters amarri4 and Norlana (who are both friends of mine) who received a plex free of charge at Jita. Supposedly these characters were tagged as result and were immidiately banned after the incident. How ever, what happened next was that amarri4's petitions were answered and he was unbanned. Norlana remains banned, and his petitions remain unanswered, nor does he have received email to clarify what is the current status of his account. This kind of activity where CCP blindfold hunts for RMT will lead to a disaster and many of those who are innocent will get banned. As a result I'm concidering closing all my accounts and start looking for another game if this problem remains unsolved for longer period of time. I'm not a GM and can't speak for what they do. You should take this up with them as it has nothing to do with this thread or the work of my team. What I said stands and is 100% accurate.
The chain of petitions have been cooking for three weeks now and there is no progress. The quality of customer support from CCP is abysmal.
What I think this kind of public image you give out of banning your customers is going to cost CCP valuable long term customers. Our whole community is upset for this bullshit. |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
267
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:41:00 -
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CCP Sreegs for President of Eve for LIFE!
Also why does Sreegs not have a signature? Most CCP people have one. Stuff Goes here |
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Z2ZzzzZ2Z
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:41:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Z2ZzzzZ2Z wrote:RE: "While there were reports of false positives related to this event, thus far every single valid "false" positive we've investigated was tagged because they had actually done something wrong, in most cases purchasing an account illegally or enabling RMT sellers via providing them with "loans"." -team security - now with 100% more anti-rmt dev blog.
i heard early on that people who did reimbursements for alliances ( ie: u lose a ship in pvp, post the kill mail and the alliance pays you for that ship) recieved punishement as well. can you confirm this? if so that would be a huge problem. its not our job to figure out who trades illegallly; its urs ccp I won't comment on individual cases except to point to my earlier statement and attest to its accuracy.
i didn't ask for an individual cases...u said "loan money" ...if some1 is doing reimbursements out of corp wallet to an effected account would that cause issues? |
Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:42:00 -
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Lacco wrote:
What I think this kind of public image you give out of banning your customers is going to cost CCP valuable long term customers. Our whole community is upset for this bullshit.
Really? Want to read this thread and see how few people are whinging like you compared to people like myself who are happy that something is finally being done about the serial cheaters who spoil this game?
PAN
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MissGemini
Lightshift Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:44:00 -
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@CCP Screegs - I have info I would like to convey in an anon fashion, how should I do this? |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
705
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:45:00 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:TOO MUCH TEXT TO QUOTE
1) I'm not dealing in hypotheticals. I'm also not hamstringing myself. So no comment. 2) I've already explained this. In most cases thus far people knew. I already told you to vet the people you lend isk to. The last time I checked making loans wasn't something we insure. If you lose your loan you can't tell a GM to give it back. Your other risk is that they're crooked. I don't see why this is an issue to be frank with you. 3) Not doing hypotheticals.
You may disagree but that doesn't change the fact that I'm not going to deal in hypotheticals. That's my answer and the only one I'm going to give. None of these scenarios have happened and to be honest I don't find it a very productive use of my time to guess what could happen if maybe something might occur at some perhaps somewhat random chance based on some hidden algorithm whenever.
We will deal with situations as they arise and each one will be unique. That's the nature of this business. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
705
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:45:00 -
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MissGemini wrote:@CCP Screegs - I have info I would like to convey in an anon fashion, how should I do this?
[email protected] I'm the only one who sees it |
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Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:45:00 -
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MissGemini wrote:@CCP Screegs - I have info I would like to convey in an anon fashion, how should I do this?
Not post in a thread that the whole of EVE can read with the name of your main asking how you can do this?
PAN
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Lacco
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
10
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:45:00 -
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Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:Lacco wrote:
What I think this kind of public image you give out of banning your customers is going to cost CCP valuable long term customers. Our whole community is upset for this bullshit.
Really? Want to read this thread and see how few people are whinging like you compared to people like myself who are happy that something is finally being done about the serial cheaters who spoil this game? PAN
I'm talking about the community whose member has been banned for receiving a plex in Jita. I'm all up for fighting against RMT botters etc. but the fact that there are mistakes done by people who bann the **** out of players is concidered to be inexistent.
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
705
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:46:00 -
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Lacco wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Lacco wrote:Quote:While there were reports of false positives related to this event, thus far every single valid "false" positive we've investigated was tagged because they had actually done something wrong, in most cases purchasing an account illegally or enabling RMT sellers via providing them with "loans". This is completely unacceptable behavior and in each instance thus far the purchased accounts were left closed and the loaned isk remained frozen. I'm sad to see CCP makes claim of this sort. Just roughly three weeks ago GM's banned characters amarri4 and Norlana (who are both friends of mine) who received a plex free of charge at Jita. Supposedly these characters were tagged as result and were immidiately banned after the incident. How ever, what happened next was that amarri4's petitions were answered and he was unbanned. Norlana remains banned, and his petitions remain unanswered, nor does he have received email to clarify what is the current status of his account. This kind of activity where CCP blindfold hunts for RMT will lead to a disaster and many of those who are innocent will get banned. As a result I'm concidering closing all my accounts and start looking for another game if this problem remains unsolved for longer period of time. I'm not a GM and can't speak for what they do. You should take this up with them as it has nothing to do with this thread or the work of my team. What I said stands and is 100% accurate. The chain of petitions have been cooking for three weeks now and there is no progress. The quality of customer support from CCP is abysmal. What I think this kind of public image you give out of banning your customers is going to cost CCP valuable long term customers. Our whole community is upset for this bullshit.
I understand that and I'm informing you that this isn't the customer service thread. Take it up with them please. Neither I nor anyone else can do a single thing for you in this thread. |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
492
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:48:00 -
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I am concerned about the "enabling RMT sellers via providing them with 'loans' thing.
I make hundreds of millions a month and more by loaning to people, how do I know they are not RMTers?
Those who are not stupid are not going to show as one.
One year ago I held collateral for a guy who in turn had stuff given by a RMTer. This has caused me incredibly absurd issues for weeks to no end and all what CCP did to me when I petitioned, was a grand STFU - our logs show nothing.
Are we going to see people like Chribba (he does my same "EvE job") being banned and purple letter flagged because they unknowingly dealt with somebody related to RMT?
Second thing, who is going to be so stupid to mine (and ice mining more so) even now that it's supposed to become profitable?
It's a dull mechanic that is completely identical to botting even when done legitimately. It'll be just too risky, there's no way to detect a bot vs a real miner sitting for 18 minutes doing nothing, then unloading, warping back to the same bookmark and mining again.
Or there might be ways to discern them but CCP does not know them, as I have seen banned people who I chatted all the time with while they were mining, while in the same system and sitting next to each other.
As I posted many times, it's very cool you finally started hitting botters, RMTers and cheaters but there ARE false positives (which you dismissed) and they have no way whatsoever to prove they were not cheating.
Edit: and no the "we are not the customer service department" is not a valid excuse. You HAVE to have functional backend to sustain your bannings else we'll just get an even worse customer service than we have now, where petitions can sit there for weeks. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Kimiko Tojima
Daughters of Hada
5
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:48:00 -
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Burn 'em all !!
+12 for an exquisite bot vs bot |
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