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Grim
Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 19:47:00 -
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Chapter 1 - Summary of Grim's T2 Production ----- I am currently producing Field Command Ships, Astarte, Absolution, Nighthawk, and Sleipnir. These are very mean ships and high end pvpers will pay top dollar to get their hands on them. I have currently spent all my isk meant for both pvp and production on something big. So, after seeing some recent bonds, I have decided that this is how I am going to get production isk back up.
Chapter 2 - Background on current business ----- T2 ship production can earn you large amounts of isk. With this isk, you can effect almost anything. Money is Power and Vise Versa. If you want to put it all in a nutshell, cha-ching!
Chapter 3 - Corporate Governance ----- I build most of the components for these commands ships including the battle cruiser that goes with it. For the other parts, there are corporations that I struck deals with for around average prices but for a quick sale for them too. Production time is reduced and profits gained. I have also lined up buyers for when they come out of the oven for a contract price above regional
Chapter 4 - The Business Plan ----- What I am trying to do is build back up my capital to where I can be a major contender without selling the command ship BPOs.
Chapter 5 - Statement of Assets ----- ~ 300B+ in BPOs - 2 Astarte BPOs ~ 100B+ - 2 Absolution BPOs ~ 100B+ - 1 Nighthawk BPOs ~ 50B+ - 1 Sleipner BPOs ~ 50B+
Those prices are based on liquidation.
Chapter 6 - Full Disclosure of Risks ----- 1. High-Sec Gankers. The BPOs will not be moved. There will be a scout in front of all freighter transports including 2 logistics with remote repair provided by an alliance.
Chapter 7 - Exit Strategy ----- Should something happen to the BPOs or ships, I will continuing to pay the bond amounts as agreed. I will liquidate the big asset I bought totaling 90Billion ISK.
Chapter 8 - Bond Structure ----- Total Number of Blocks 2
Bonds in a Block 30 (3bn)
Price Per Bond 100,000,000
Payout Forth nightly
Payment per bond 4,000,000
Overall Weekly Return(%) 4%
At end of 2nd week the principle will be returned to the investor with a 4% increase.
Purchase of bonds will only be approved if the entire block has been filled, each block represents a portion of the capital to produce the ships thus unless a block is filled I can not accept the purchases.
Chapter 9 - FAQ ----- Q: How do I know this isn't a scam? A: Risk / Reward, right now I'm heavily invested in production, war in the north, a reputation as a general good eve player whoÆs good for his word.
Q: How do you know you'll be successful? A: T2 production requires a lot of components and minerals. To earn a decent return on any thing in t2 you have to produce a lot. With profit margins unimaginable by a noob.
Q: Why are you doing this? A: Need to get back to producing command ships because I have no capital left and I do not want to sell t2 BPOs.
Q: What's your background? A: BETA Player with a degree in Computer Science. -- Death By Titan :( |
Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.10.29 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ray McCormack on 29/10/2008 19:54:51 Why are you offering 16% a month when you can get a fully secured loan, which would be easy with your asset list, for less than half that?
Edit : Sorry, make that 4% a week, and less than half that secured.
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Grim
Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack Edited by: Ray McCormack on 29/10/2008 19:54:51 Why are you offering 16% a month when you can get a fully secured loan, which would be easy with your asset list, for less than half that?
Edit : Sorry, make that 4% a week, and less than half that secured.
ooops. Was going to make it 4% a month, but realized that it would only take me 2 weeks to pay off this loan. So I changed the month to week without changing the percent. facepalm. -- Death By Titan :( |
YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.10.29 20:16:00 -
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You have not wasted enough time detailing your plan. Please check my sig for inspiration.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.10.29 20:20:00 -
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Giving I also produce T2, Im pretty doubtful you can manage the returns on the items stated. That is unless your trading heavy to get your mats and have access to key materials.
In which case, why even bother with the production aspect of it and just buy the mats and resell for profit. |
Grim
Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Giving I also produce T2, Im pretty doubtful you can manage the returns on the items stated. That is unless your trading heavy to get your mats and have access to key materials.
In which case, why even bother with the production aspect of it and just buy the mats and resell for profit.
The returns are enough when you have stock piles of key components yet below average buying orders that continue to fall yet CS prices continue to remain the same due to the delay. -- Death By Titan :( |
Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.29 21:17:00 -
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Linkage
Your char is a beta player, so, who are you? Grim was put up for sale, there are indication that money was exchanged but sales were not completed?
You're a member of a large corporation with 73 members, are they contributing or are you on your own? Does the BPOs belong to Fallen Angels?
Looking at the skills ineve.net, you don't even have the skill requirements to build the ships mentioned.
Astarte - Cruiser construction not up to level 5 Absolution - Missing Amarr Starship Engineering and Cruiser Construction not up to level 5 Nighthawk - Cruiser construction not up to level 5 Sleipnir - Cruiser construction not to up level 5
You said you've been producing them, Looking at ineve, which was last updated at the beginning of the month, it takes roughly 15 days to get cruiser V, few hours to get amarr starship engineering, etc. In the past month, you've gotten ahold of 300 billions worth of BPO even though you didn't have the skill to use it in any way.
Interesting.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.29 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Brock Nelson on 29/10/2008 21:24:14 Plus, you've got 300 billions worth of BPO, spent 24 billion on purchasing Grim and you just ran out of money to build command ships? That seems like bad investment. Why not just start with one of the command ship BPO and work with it.
That's like saying "I'm going to drive to New York from LA and I know how to get there" and after 300km, you've ran out of gas. That's poor planning right there.
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Grim
Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson Edited by: Brock Nelson on 29/10/2008 21:24:14 Plus, you've got 300 billions worth of BPO, spent 24 billion on purchasing Grim and you just ran out of money to build command ships? That seems like bad investment. Why not just start with one of the command ship BPO and work with it.
That's like saying "I'm going to drive to New York from LA and I know how to get there" and after 300km, you've ran out of gas. That's poor planning right there.
Well, lol. It is something like that, except missing something. It was like I was driving from LA to NY in a Geo and finding a Bugatti Veyron for sale and being able to buy it. The faster I get back to producing command ships, the more I can invest in super caps. -- Death By Titan :( |
TheVad
Amarr Metalworks
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Posted - 2008.10.29 22:28:00 -
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If this is the same Fallen Angels corp/guild that has been seen in other PvP MMO's I would be very hesitant to invest your IPO. FA guild is known for questionable behaviors. Just history of your guild/corp is not on your side.
TheVad
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Grim
Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 22:32:00 -
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Lol, all I know is EVE m8. Bringing other MMOs into this is pointless because you will just stir questions about stuff i dont know about. -- Death By Titan :( |
Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.29 22:39:00 -
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You haven't answered my question about your char sale, nor about Fallen Angel's involvement
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Grim
Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson You haven't answered my question about your char sale, nor about Fallen Angel's involvement
I do not know of any fallen angels in other MMOs. I have no clue what other MMOs they play, if any. They seem to always be playing eve.
As for the character sale, it never went through. -- Death By Titan :( |
Athre
Minmatar The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2008.10.29 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson
You're a member of a large corporation with 73 members, are they contributing or are you on your own? Does the BPOs belong to Fallen Angels?
Looking at the skills ineve.net, you don't even have the skill requirements to build the ships mentioned.
Astarte - Cruiser construction not up to level 5 Absolution - Missing Amarr Starship Engineering and Cruiser Construction not up to level 5 Nighthawk - Cruiser construction not up to level 5 Sleipnir - Cruiser construction not to up level 5
You said you've been producing them, Looking at ineve, which was last updated at the beginning of the month, it takes roughly 15 days to get cruiser V, few hours to get amarr starship engineering, etc. In the past month, you've gotten ahold of 300 billions worth of BPO even though you didn't have the skill to use it in any way.
Interesting.
I believe the unanswered questions are - What about the lack of skills on this character? Who actually owns the BPOs? Is anyone from FA investing?
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Grim
Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Athre
Originally by: Brock Nelson
You're a member of a large corporation with 73 members, are they contributing or are you on your own? Does the BPOs belong to Fallen Angels?
Looking at the skills ineve.net, you don't even have the skill requirements to build the ships mentioned.
Astarte - Cruiser construction not up to level 5 Absolution - Missing Amarr Starship Engineering and Cruiser Construction not up to level 5 Nighthawk - Cruiser construction not up to level 5 Sleipnir - Cruiser construction not to up level 5
You said you've been producing them, Looking at ineve, which was last updated at the beginning of the month, it takes roughly 15 days to get cruiser V, few hours to get amarr starship engineering, etc. In the past month, you've gotten ahold of 300 billions worth of BPO even though you didn't have the skill to use it in any way.
Interesting.
I believe the unanswered questions are - What about the lack of skills on this character? Who actually owns the BPOs? Is anyone from FA investing?
Ok, I OWN THE BPOs, not falg.
The lack of skills on grim should not be taken into account because I a game full of alts, you have to have at least one that can build. ;) Grim is not building the ships and i refuse to give the character name away for risk of being purposely targeted for a high sec gank. -- Death By Titan :( |
Frenden Dax
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Posted - 2008.10.29 23:13:00 -
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Then at least submit to an audit so it can be verified that you're not trying to walk away with the cash. So far you've provided 0% proof that this is on the level.
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Grim
Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Frenden Dax Then at least submit to an audit so it can be verified that you're not trying to walk away with the cash. So far you've provided 0% proof that this is on the level.
Ok, how would you like your audit? -- Death By Titan :( |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.10.30 00:01:00 -
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I would like to see an audit that shows that you even own the BPO's and confirm that you spent 90B on 'something'. That can remain confidential, between you and the auditor. Kazuo or Shar preferably.
Your a bit surly, and there are some genuine concerns about the toon, I think no thx.
WIll some of your corp come here and back you?
Without an audit you will have no chance.
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Grim
Amarr Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2008.10.30 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray I would like to see an audit that shows that you even own the BPO's and confirm that you spent 90B on 'something'. That can remain confidential, between you and the auditor. Kazuo or Shar preferably.
Your a bit surly, and there are some genuine concerns about the toon, I think no thx.
WIll some of your corp come here and back you?
Without an audit you will have no chance.
Yep, I have one of the most trusted people in eve in my corp. I will give him the info when he logs in.
Strathis that is. -- Death By Titan :( |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.10.30 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grim
Originally by: cosmoray I would like to see an audit that shows that you even own the BPO's and confirm that you spent 90B on 'something'. That can remain confidential, between you and the auditor. Kazuo or Shar preferably.
Your a bit surly, and there are some genuine concerns about the toon, I think no thx.
WIll some of your corp come here and back you?
Without an audit you will have no chance.
Yep, I have one of the most trusted people in eve in my corp. I will give him the info when he logs in.
Strathis that is.
No, no, no and no.
When we say we want an audit, that means someone respected by the MD forum. All the trusted auditors used in MD do not publish secret information.
So either negotiate with Kazuo or Shar (need because 60B is very high) or you won't raise 1 ISK.
If you don't want to use an MD auditor I call SCAM!
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.10.30 04:55:00 -
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Don't even bother with an audit.
Given the possible sale on the toon, the corporation history, and the fact that once again. I produce T2, quite a bit of T2 and most assuredly with near 100% certainty claim that you'll never reach the returns on your given build choices.
Not that it would matter anyway since apparently you don't even have the skills to build them.
So lets all let this thread die quickly |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.30 06:26:00 -
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Who? |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.30 06:28:00 -
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You can use the T2 bpo lease program by EBANK to secure one or two of those bpo's which will in turn allow you to secure funding from players here in MD. |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2008.10.30 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Grim I have currently spent all my isk meant for both pvp and production on something big.
It would seem that planning ahead is not your strong point then. I find it best to earn the isk first and spend it second. Eating up your industrial capital for PvP is never a good plan. I know from long personal experience how demanding a PvP budget can be, but I never jeapordize long term returns for a short term blowout.
Originally by: Grim So, after seeing some recent bonds, I have decided that this is how I am going to get production isk back up.
So you are hoping we can bail you out? Fair enough.
Originally by: Grim
- 2 Astarte BPOs ~ 100B+ - 2 Absolution BPOs ~ 100B+ - 1 Nighthawk BPOs ~ 50B+ - 1 Sleipner BPOs ~ 50B+
This will have to be confirmed by an MD auditor.
Originally by: Grim
Price Per Bond 100,000,000
Payout Forth nightly
Payment per bond 3,000,000
Weekly Return(%) 1.5%
3% return after 2 weeks and that is it? Hardly worth the time of any serious investor. You would have to be a near zero risk proposition to make that viable at all.
Originally by: Grim
At end of 2nd week the principle will be returned to the investor with a 1.5% increase.
This is inconsistent with your previous statement that payments will be made after 2 weeks with a 3% return.
Overall, I'd say this isn't worth looking at. It's not worth the effort to audit you for such a small and short investment.
Ebank may be the right place for you to go and I would think that a larger and longer term loan would be required to allow you to become the major player that you wish to be.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.10.30 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 30/10/2008 17:27:42 I'd like to point out that the API doesn't directly report whether blueprints are originals or copies. There are several other reliable means of proving their status and proving ownership:- Place the BPO in a trade window...
- ...or an item exchange contract (requesting the same BPO back, so nothing bad happens).
- Place the BPO in a research job - BPCs cannot be put in copy jobs, and you cannot research ME/PL on them. The job then shows up in the R&D jobs API export.
- Place the BPO in a production job with runs > BPO production limit (obviously not much use here) and verify the job via API as above.
- Lock down the BPO in an alt corp, and give an auditor a single share in the alt corp. Copies cannot be locked down, so ownership & status can be confirmed from the corporation's vote records.
Any of these options would be ok. Linking the BPO in chat proves that you can at least see the blueprint, but not that that you own it. Screenshots are generally not very reliable for this sort of thing, as they can be faked on the test server or otherwise manipulated. --- DIY copying in Liekuri 20:1 mineral compression Eve Online folding@home team |
Xabier
THE SORORITY CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.10.31 05:10:00 -
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To quote Luke Skywalker
"I have a very bad feeling about this."
Xabiers Capital Bond #1
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Death4free
Caldari ADAMA Corps Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.10.31 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Xabier To quote Luke Skywalker
"I have a very bad feeling about this."
you sure that wasnt obi wan at the start of the phantom menace? Eve information kiosk
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Grim .. These are very mean ships and high end pvpers will pay top dollar to get their hands on them.
I heard that RMT gets you banned, c/d?
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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