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MenanceWhite
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.10.27 13:29:00 -
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I'm thinking of doing some lv4:
My char has no BS or large turret skills at the moment and with bs2 large turret2 my harbinger still outdamages the mission apoc.
There's no differences except for that the apoc activates 2x the dps than the harb, plus that it's turrets has about 10km longer range. Should I disregard the apoc and just use the harb for level4s? ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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InsanlyEvlPerson
Gallente Night-Stalkers
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Posted - 2008.10.27 13:42:00 -
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if for some reason you find yourself able to tank them, sure, if not, you have to use the apoc. i am personally training for an absolution right now b/c i hate battleships (and this includes my fully rigged apoc). speaking of my apoc, i could arrange a nice price for ya if ya want it, fully fitted and all ;) ---------------------------------------------
I may be a bit over Zealot, but i cant help myself, its the best investment i ever made! |
Talsha Talamar
Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.10.27 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 27/10/2008 14:23:02 There is a lot of difference between a properly fitted APOC and the Harbi, the main and decisive would be:
Tank
I doubt that you can tank more than a small share of level 4s in a harbi unless its pimped out like hell with top skills and even then :) If you want to do level 4s in a BC, try a passively tanked Drake :)
Yet people have done madder things in EVE, just by putting their mind to it, so if you are ready to loose a few Harbis for the fun, by all means try and tell :) |
MidnightMartyr
Gallente Chowabunga Inc. Ascendo-Tuum
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Posted - 2008.10.27 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Talsha Talamar Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 27/10/2008 14:23:02 There is a lot of difference between a properly fitted APOC and the Harbi. The main and decisive difference would be: Tank
I doubt that you can tank more than a small share of level 4s in a Harbi unless its pimped out like hell, with top skills, and even then its difficult. If you want to do level 4s in a BC try a passively tanked Drake. :)
Yet people have done madder things in EVE just by putting their mind to it. So if you are ready to lose a few Harbi's for the fun of it by all means try and tell :)
oh god. Your lack of periods in that post hurt my eyes. Fixed so its actually readable. |
MenanceWhite
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.10.27 16:33:00 -
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fixed original post.
what are the fittings on that apoc you want to sell? ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Elhina Novae
Sky's Edge
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Posted - 2008.10.27 16:45:00 -
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Level 4 mission Apocalypse:
Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II [Specific Hardener] [Specific Hardener] [Specific Hardener] Large Armor Repair II
Tracking Computer II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Energy Locus Coordinator I Energy Locus Coordinator I Capacitor Control Circuit I
This was my setup when I was really low skilled, low skilled as in you shouldn't be in a Battleship. Know what you're doing, read the guides until you know all missions without having to check it and this setup is godly against Sansha/Blood Raiders. |
Daergaar
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Posted - 2008.10.27 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Talsha Talamar Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 27/10/2008 14:23:02 There is a lot of difference between a properly fitted APOC and the Harbi, the main and decisive would be:
Tank
I doubt that you can tank more than a small share of level 4s in a harbi unless its pimped out like hell with top skills and even then :) If you want to do level 4s in a BC, try a passively tanked Drake :)
Yet people have done madder things in EVE, just by putting their mind to it, so if you are ready to loose a few Harbis for the fun, by all means try and tell :)
I'm able to do level 4 missions (as a 2.6 million SP character) in my Drake without any tanking issues (I can basically live forever without needing to warp out).
There is one major major problem with level 4's though for the passively tanked Drake: REPPING BATTLESHIPS. If you encounter a battleship that's repping itself, you won't be likely to break its tank. You basically end up in a stalemate. You've popped all the other ships, but you've got 3 battleships firing on you. I've managed to kill a few by having diverse ammo (make sure to have missiles of all 4 damage types on you, swap missiles when you're into armor), and it's good to have high drone skills. Your drones will help you break the tank, even if it takes awhile. You have to close range with the battleship, which means slowboating your Drake over there. Mine doesn't have any speed enhancement whatsoever (not even an AB), so this does take some time. But with a passively tanked Drake, you have all the time in the world.
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Dracthera
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Posted - 2008.10.27 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Daergaar You have to close range with the battleship, which means slowboating your Drake over there. Mine doesn't have any speed enhancement whatsoever (not even an AB), so this does take some time. But with a passively tanked Drake, you have all the time in the world.
The key here is NOT to fire any missiles at the rat BS until you've closed within 20-15km or less. You save LOTS of missiles that way, and you take him down faster.
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Daergaar
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Posted - 2008.10.27 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dracthera
The key here is NOT to fire any missiles at the rat BS until you've closed within 20-15km or less. You save LOTS of missiles that way, and you take him down faster.
Is that because they fly away and try to get range as soon as you start firing? My drone range is 30km right now and I have 3 of them.
Won't they proximity aggro if you get that close or start firing on their friends that are near them?
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Dracthera
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Posted - 2008.10.27 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Daergaar Is that because they fly away and try to get range as soon as you start firing? My drone range is 30km right now and I have 3 of them.
Won't they proximity aggro if you get that close or start firing on their friends that are near them?
No, the closer you are, the better chance your missiles have of evading the rat defender missiles, which means more of your missiles will hit them. In order to avoid getting aggro from their friends that are near, kill their friends first and save the BSs for last. In your Drake you should be able to comfortably tank 10-12 BSs at once. That tactic worked for me until I got frustrated enough with chasing BSs that I ended up putting a webber on my dedicated salvager to hold them in place until I got into close range.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:07:00 -
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Whats your drake fit?
you need IMO at least 2 BCU's on any missile ship, preferably 4. (You don't have to tank dead targets)
Unless you only have battlecruiser level 2 and level 1 missile skills, you should have no problem killing a BS. |
Daergaar
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf Whats your drake fit?
you need IMO at least 2 BCU's on any missile ship, preferably 4. (You don't have to tank dead targets)
Unless you only have battlecruiser level 2 and level 1 missile skills, you should have no problem killing a BS.
Highs: 7x 'Limos' Heavy Launcher (I can't use T2 missiles yet, not even close) 1x Tractor Beam
Mids: 1x Invul II 2x Shield Resistance Amplifier (I swap them for different missions to the two primary damage types) 3x Large Shield Extender II (I found these give me more regen than Shield Recharge modules)
Lows: 1x Shield Power Relay II 2x Power Diagnostic System II 1x Ballistic Control Unit I (I can't use tech 2 of these yet, not even close)
I have the power diagnostic systems to increase my recharge rate of my shields and boost their HP slightly, and I can't use 1 of my missile launchers if I take one of them off (I only have Weapon Upgrades at level 2 right now).
My total character SP is about 2.6 million, with the majority of that in Engineering. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:29:00 -
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If you're able to tank level 4's no sweat, I'd train weapon-upgrade and advance weapon upgrade, being able to fit 2 tech II BCU's will be the biggest DPS increase for you.
After that get all of these to level 3.
Rapid Launch Heavy Missiles Battle Cruiser Warhead upgrades.
Then train each of those to level 4 (in that order)
Then, assuming you haven't moved on to a raven, go for tech II heavy missiles.
You should even be able to kill the 2.5mill vengance boss with these skills (well.. after about 10 minutes and several re-loads :P) __________________________________________________________
Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
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Commander Thrawn
the united
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:34:00 -
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use a zealot. works well
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Kebast
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:46:00 -
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A 5 slot tanked Harbinger can tank some L.4 missions. Just be careful with aggro and read the mission descriptions first. Sac or Zealot also will work. A Geddon or Apoc will serve you better even with most skills at level 3 or 4.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.27 18:51:00 -
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You can start out with a harb, I suppose, but get your skills to swap to one of the amarr BS's
The rule of thumb for missions should be as little tank as necessary, as much gank as possible. You don't have to minmax your tank for it, but remember that how fast you clear spawns determines how fast you complete the missions, which speeds up your isk gain. _____________________
The unofficial faceless Achura alt of EVE Online
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Daergaar
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Posted - 2008.10.27 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf If you're able to tank level 4's no sweat, I'd train weapon-upgrade and advance weapon upgrade, being able to fit 2 tech II BCU's will be the biggest DPS increase for you.
After that get all of these to level 3.
Rapid Launch Heavy Missiles Battle Cruiser Warhead upgrades.
Then train each of those to level 4 (in that order)
Then, assuming you haven't moved on to a raven, go for tech II heavy missiles.
You should even be able to kill the 2.5mill vengance boss with these skills (well.. after about 10 minutes and several re-loads :P)
Yes I can survive very heavy fire for a very long time (my Shield Compensations are all at level 4, and my Battlecruisers skill is 4 also). Thanks a lot for the advice. I'll stop training my Drone skill for now and switch to training more in the skills that allow me to use BCU II, and once I have high enough Weapon Upgrades I can probably drop a PDS for a second BCU (Since I don't need anymore SPR, I forgot to mention I have 2 Core Defense Field Purger I and some EM resist rig as my rigs, though I forget its name).
It will be a long time before I can effectively use a Raven. I could fly one tomorrow, but I barely have the money to buy one and it would have to be fit with Torpedos since I can't use cruise missiles (and my Torp skill is level 1).
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Amarrbone
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Posted - 2008.10.27 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Amarrbone on 27/10/2008 20:58:04 The main differences between the Harbi/Any BC v. a Battleship are simple:
If you want a comparable tank, you will suffer in the DPS department.
If you want comparable DPS, your tank will suffer greatly for it, and even then your DPS will be low to mid level except at point blank range.
All BS's will have a longer targetting range and can easily hit targets 80-90km+ without any form of sensor boosting. Gun based BS's can engage and destroy frigates well beyond the range of a BC thanks to almost zero transversal. Apocs and Rohks can easily hit 150km+ ranges.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.10.27 22:48:00 -
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I'll get a zealot then. This char has all gunnery and other support skills but not BS or large energy turret. Oh, and AF3. So 1 level of AF and then zealot I go instead. Probably. |
InsanlyEvlPerson
Gallente Night-Stalkers
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Posted - 2008.10.28 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Thrawn use a zealot. works well
please fill us in on your setup, i cant imagine mine would even live thru the first 2mins. ---------------------------------------------
I may be a bit over Zealot, but i cant help myself, its the best investment i ever made! |
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