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NuklearWinter
Land Pirates IN SPACE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.25 03:22:00 -
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So for awhile now, I have been attempting to PVP/ninja rat in 0.0 and low sec and so far it has been one utter failure after another. Have lost a couple of cruisers, a battlecruiser, and a raven. Most of the time I was in a group of my friends. We all have 3.4 ish million skillpoints, yet being in a group seems to do nothing.
We either cant kill a ship (usually a HAC since that is all that seems to be in low sec and 0.0) before it kills us, or they bring in their friends. We look on loudouts and even though most of us cant use T2 weapons, we atleast think that we have a remote chance of killing someone.
I guess, I just dont know what to do. I want to PVP / get into 0.0 but it never seems to work out. It feels like the opponents I find ALWAYS have better ships. I look on threads and they always mention T2 guns and whatnot, but those are atleast 50 days for me. Thats JUST for the guns. I look for loudouts and they all seem to take 100+ days just to fly them.
Would flying on the test server be a benefit seeing how everything is cheap to try so I dont have to keep grinding for ISK? |
Atherin Gaius
Caldari Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.25 04:21:00 -
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yes flying on sisi helps.
You also need to get experienced FCs for your gangs. Maybe get into a pvp alliance with your corp.
But while it sucks loosing ships, that is how you learn. It happens to everyone when they start PVPing.
I would recommend starting with little ships, and train for their t2 variants. less expensive to lose one of them instead of a properly fit battleship.
Keep trying.
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2008.10.25 04:31:00 -
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While skillpoints aren't everything, they do count for alot. Especially when you are new. You haven't had the experience to see how things really work. Take a player who has already skilled up a 40+mil character, have them start a new character, and they will do pretty well. They know what to focus on, they know what to fit, and they know when and how to fight. By the time you get up to 6mil SP you'll probably do a bit better. You should have the skills to fully support cruisers and BCs and you'll figure out what you can do with them. Takes awhile, but well worth it.
If it's any consolation I did the same exact thing you are doing. Ran around with some other noob friends trying to pirate. We got our asses kicked so often. Then we slowly got better and figured things out. It always makes me laugh at how utterly clueless we were (not that much has changed really). But it was fun, and I wouldn't trade those times for the world.
You could also try to find a PvP or pirate corp to take you under their wing. Always helps. Key is to find one that teaches you rather than just using you as an expendable tackler.
Taxman VI: Voided Ledger
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Reverand Pastor
Caldari Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.25 05:02:00 -
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Also keep in mind EVE is just like anything else you will do and there is a learning curve (albeit a steep one). As stated I would suggest joining a null sec alliance and learning from your experience. The positives are 1. PVP is all over the place and 2. If your ship splodes you will have the means to replace it in short order. Getting tossed around is normal for your first few months but as long as you dont give up and have the capacity to overcome and adpt you should be fine. Also do not hesitate to convo other pilots and ask questions. I have found they are more than willing to give advice, tips, and mentoring to improve your game quality and theres also. Gl and may your pew be plenty.
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Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.10.25 05:58:00 -
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Check out Tusker Academy. I would echo Atherin Gaius' advice to learn in T1 frigates rather than cruisers, battlecruisers, or battleships.
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Amanda Wilkins
Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.10.25 08:17:00 -
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Edited by: Amanda Wilkins on 25/10/2008 08:21:27 Edited by: Amanda Wilkins on 25/10/2008 08:18:02 Learn from others. Ka Jolo if you want to be a pirate or us if you want to go into 0.0 - or try an Agony Unleashed class, although getting into one of those is hard. Essentially, getting into a corp with experienced pilots who know how to teach new pilots is going to be the way to learn. Learning on your own IS possible. It just isn't as easy or as fast as learning with the help from others.
Anyway, to begin with, take a look at the DGAF Newbie Guide and Forum, it has some public articles about pvp which may help you and you can ask questions about the stuff that puzzles you.
We tend to take our new pilots into 0.0 after 3 seminars of 1-3 hours each, which means about 14 days membership. They will still be flying t1 frigs fitted w. t1 gear if I have my way...
:)
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.10.25 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 25/10/2008 12:53:01 As others said, hokup with some that know what theyre doing - learning by doing works best in eve. But dont let the skillpoint gap turn you away from this game, clever piloting and good fittings which may as well be t1 only can net you nice kills, its all experience.
The problem with 0.0 is indeed that you will often have not one but several ppl coming after you, i suggest to team up with your friends and try faction warfare - there you will find a mix of experienced players but also newcommers with which you can easier compete.
Give it awhile and your problem wont be not to be able to kill somebody but rather to find somebody to kill ;)
A good sources for tactics and setups is this site: Scrapheap Ignore the nerdrages on ccp and youll find many good hints and ideas on how to fit and fly your ship. |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.10.25 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 25/10/2008 12:53:01 As others said, hokup with some that know what theyre doing - learning by doing works best in eve. But dont let the skillpoint gap turn you away from this game, clever piloting and good fittings which may as well be t1 only can net you nice kills, its all experience.
The problem with 0.0 is indeed that you will often have not one but several ppl coming after you, i suggest to team up with your friends and try faction warfare - there you will find a mix of experienced players but also newcommers with which you can easier compete.
Give it awhile and your problem wont be not to be able to kill somebody but rather to find somebody to kill ;)
A good sources for tactics and setups is this site: Scrapheap Ignore the nerdrages on ccp and youll find many good hints and ideas on how to fit and fly your ship.
this, in 00 space, your just going to get blobbed, plus im sure youve hit a couple of bubblecamps, which really suck, take all your friends, and get into the same corp, and jump into FW, it helped me tremendously getting pvp experience
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Atherin Gaius
Caldari Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.25 17:12:00 -
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0.0 isn't all blob, I see lots of small gangs (under 10) flying around getting kills.
Really,the only time there is blobbiness anymore is when there is an alliance op with capitals involved.
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Meridius Dex
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.10.25 19:45:00 -
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I'd definitely recommend faction warfare over 0.0 if you are a new player. I joined a 0.0 pvp alliance when I was a month old in the game - talk about jumping into the deep end of the pool! I felt useless and outgunned in every fight - because I was!
The problem is that null sec pilots on average have many times your skill points. You rightly point out what a huge disadvantage that is in EVE. There is a great deal more diversity in low sec/faction warfare.
Which brings me to another point that I haven't seen mentioned yet: make sure you have a good skill plan in place. Use EVEMon to build good, tight coherent skill plans for each aspect of the game in which you wish to improve. If you are certain that this is the game for you and want to stick with it long-term, get your Learning skills up. Trust me, it all adds up.
Another nice thing about fighting in low sec as opposed to 0.0 is that the absence of bubbles means you can often spend a bit more on your clone so long as you spam the warp button whenever your ship starts to pop. I recommend +3 implants at a minimum for all players (I fly with all +4s). A full set of PER/WILL/INT/MEM will cost you less than 30M if you get 'em on buy orders (and if you're flying BS already, you can certainly afford this). -- Meridius Dex --
Amarr = EVE on Hard setting |
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Lana Lanee
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Posted - 2008.10.25 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Atherin Gaius 0.0 isn't all blob, I see lots of small gangs (under 10) flying around getting kills.
Really,the only time there is blobbiness anymore is when there is an alliance op with capitals involved.
false. |
Redback911
Malevolent Intentions Divine Anarchy
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Posted - 2008.10.25 22:49:00 -
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Although we are mortal enemies of FW, I have to say that you should join your corp to one of the Empires. They have some good FC's now and you will learn a lot.
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NuklearWinter
Land Pirates IN SPACE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.26 04:13:00 -
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Thanks for the replies.
I did get onto the test server to try ships out. I must say, that helped quite abit by letting me atleast try other ships without having to worry about how Im going to pay for losing them. Was able to do some experimenting with various weapons and whatnot.
Lots of useful info in these posts especially the stuff from Ka Jolo. I guess I just need to bite the bullet and train some of those long gunnery related skills (Started caldari, went into missiles abit, then learn they arnt so great for PVP. go figure ) Also need to join a 0.0 alliance too (our corp has been wanting to do that for awhile now.
Ive been using EveMon (Which is Awesome) to plan out the skills. I have some learning trained, but not nearly enough that I probably should need.
I guess another question would be, when PVPing in lowsec, and the inevitable sector hit, what do you do for money when you run out and are more or less stuck in lowsec? Would I want to look for a group of lowsec systems so that I have choices for ratting and missions to earn money?
Ill keep at it though. EVE is just to unique to put down. SO many possibilities and things to do .
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Nexus Kinnon
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.10.26 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: NuklearWinter Also need to join a 0.0 alliance too (our corp has been wanting to do that for awhile now.
If you want to learn how to PvP, this isn't the way to do it.
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Burn Mac
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.10.27 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: NuklearWinter
Also need to join a 0.0 alliance too (our corp has been wanting to do that for awhile now.)
This is a path to the dark side, dont do it! |
BlackDeej
Aquila Astralis
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Posted - 2008.10.27 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius Dex I'd definitely recommend faction warfare over 0.0 if you are a new player.
Seconded. FW is pretty easy to get into (0.5 standings being easy to get from missions), and it'll give you a semi-controlled environment to learn the ropes in.
Definitely worth consideration imo.
Quote: Light is faster than sound, this is why some people appear bright until they speak.
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Lady Valory
Caldari Caldari Strike Force
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Posted - 2008.10.27 21:41:00 -
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The other problem u and ur friends are doing is the ISK ratio...
I've trained countless new players who can easily make 1 billion isk a month ratting with a raven or more mining arkanor and bistot with a retriever before moving up to covetors...
In other words, if you guys were ratting with ravens and making several billion a month, then losing ships in pvp is NO problem, especially for t1 ships...
In fact, it could be FUN for everyone to fit a thorax and then go on fun suicide ops where u just roam around and look for trouble...
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TimMc
Gallente The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2008.10.27 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Lanee
Originally by: Atherin Gaius 0.0 isn't all blob, I see lots of small gangs (under 10) flying around getting kills.
Really,the only time there is blobbiness anymore is when there is an alliance op with capitals involved.
false.
Its risky, and soon to be impossible after the nano nerf. All small gangs are usually nanoships to allow themselves to dodge bubbles and larger gangs.
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TrevHead
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.10.28 02:17:00 -
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Expanding on the idea of u gettting hold of some implants. If u spend any amount of time safe in high sec i would recomend you get yourself a jump clone and fit the expensive impants (+4 and +5s) onto it, but do remember you can only jump into another clone once every 24hrs.
Best way to get a jump clone without access to a 0.0 player run station is to pay a high sec corp which will cost you around 10 mill per character. Just type in the forum search bar for Jump Clone Services.
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Atherin Gaius
Caldari Domini Umbrus
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Posted - 2008.10.28 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Lanee
Originally by: Atherin Gaius 0.0 isn't all blob, I see lots of small gangs (under 10) flying around getting kills.
Really,the only time there is blobbiness anymore is when there is an alliance op with capitals involved.
false.
Not sure where you are flying in 0.0...Venal? or somewhere else in the north?
The biggest gang I've seen in the last 7 months was 30 and I've only seen that once. And I spend 95% of my time in 0.0. But I guess it also depends on what you consider a blob.
I do agree that the PVP in 0.0 will change after the speed nerf...don't know if it will turn in to blobs though.
If you find the right 0.0 pvp corp you will have opportunity to learn, allbeit you will learn gang warfare more than individual hunting.
But considering that there is a FW guide to gang warfare posted here, I'm thinking you will find a lot of that with FW too.
The other option is finding a pirate corp to fly with. They can be fun to fly with and give you opportunity for flying with 1-2 people or in large gangs.
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