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Brando Voogo
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:27:00 -
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[Raven Navy Issue, Level 4] Ballistic Control System II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Recharger II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor I
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
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What you guys think about this setup? Should be enough tanking dps for all L4's. I'm just worried about the DPS.
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Space Fascist
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:31:00 -
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First in a "don't passive tank a battleship" thread.
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Space Fascist don't passive tank a battleship
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Brando Voogo
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:36:00 -
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Hm, why not? =P
Seems to work just fine. Any word on the "don't passive tank a BS" please so I may understand the reason.
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Brando Voogo the DPS.
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Sarin Adler
Caldari Dark Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:48:00 -
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A single BC, carebear much.
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sarin Adler A single BC, carebear much.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:00:00 -
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There are a lot of Raven/CNR threads you can find, most of them have active shield tanks with 3 or 4 BCS's fitted.
Why? The BCS will increase your rate of fire significantly, thus reducing your killtime and speeding up your missions. On my CNR the ROF for my cruise launchers is below 8 seconds. So in about 25 seconds you have 28 cruise missiles headed at the target. Each BCS also increases the damage your cruises' deal out by 5%.
There is always a tradeoff between tank/gank. If you overtank then your gank suffers, and consequently you spend a lot more time on each mission.
It is your choice, but most players prefer sufficient tank/max gank to overtank/gimped gank.
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Elea Electronica
Gallente Dragon Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:33:00 -
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6 T2 Cruise Launcher (6,75sec rof) 1 Large Diminishing Nos
Gist B-Type XL Booster Gist X-Type Boostamp DG (or CN) Invul Depending on Mission the other 3 Medslots are Fittet with Gist X-Type Active Hardener in combination with Gist B-Type Hardener
3 x Kaikka BCU 2 x T2 PDU
1 T1 EM Shield Rigg (or T2) 1 T1 Thermal Shield Rig (or T2) 1 T1 Caprecharger Rig (or T2)
Imps Zainou Snapshot ZMU 2000 (slot 6) Zainou Deatheye ZML 1000 (slot 7) Zainou Deatheye ZMA 1000 (slot 8) Zainou Deatheye ZMS 1000 (slot 9) Zainou Deatheye ZMM 1000 (slot 10)
Not one of the Existing L4 can break this tank and you will never run out of cap. The Setup you have postet will break in an Angel Extra L4 Bonistage and will get you in strong loosing armor and strukture maby your ship.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Brando Voogo [Raven Navy Issue, Level 4] passive setup
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What you guys think about this setup? Should be enough tanking dps for all L4's. I'm just worried about the DPS.
The Raven is not a Drake. It doesn't have the natural shield recharge rate that the battlecruisers have, so don't try to passive tank it. Sure, it can then tank, but it's DPS is painfully low. Try something more like this:
[Raven Navy Issue, L's Navy Raven copy 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Damage Control II
Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor I
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
You can permarun this setup with maxed cap and shield compensation skills. If you want more damage and little less tank, drop the Damage Control II for another BCU II. The above setup works even better with some CN launchers and BCU, if you want to be a bit more extravagant.
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MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 22:26:00 -
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Elea Electronica your fit is what 3.5 to 4.0 billion ISK? I would be more worried about getting gank by a sucide squad then NPC mission rats.
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.10.15 01:27:00 -
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Repeat after me: The Raven is Not a Big Drake. The Raven is Not a Big Drake. The Raven is Not a Big Drake.
Will that fit work? Yes. Will I laugh at you for using it? Yes. Your DPS is quite lacking compared to a fit with 3-4 BCUs, which will affect how fast you can run missions. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth |
Brando Voogo
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Repeat after me: The Raven is Not a Big Drake. The Raven is Not a Big Drake. The Raven is Not a Big Drake.
Will that fit work? Yes. Will I laugh at you for using it? Yes. Your DPS is quite lacking compared to a fit with 3-4 BCUs, which will affect how fast you can run missions.
Drake - Shield : Recharge - 5469 : 1400 = 3.9 CNR - Shield : Recharge - 11250 : 2500 = 4.5
True, it has a better base recharge. =)
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Jita Sucks
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Brando Voogo
Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Repeat after me: The Raven is Not a Big Drake. The Raven is Not a Big Drake. The Raven is Not a Big Drake.
Will that fit work? Yes. Will I laugh at you for using it? Yes. Your DPS is quite lacking compared to a fit with 3-4 BCUs, which will affect how fast you can run missions.
Drake - Shield : Recharge - 5469 : 1400 = 3.9 CNR - Shield : Recharge - 11250 : 2500 = 4.5
True, it has a better base recharge. =)
Rattlesnake - Shield : Recharge - 12750 : 2500 = 5.1
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Brando Voogo
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Posted - 2008.10.16 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Brando Voogo on 16/10/2008 20:55:47
Originally by: Jita Sucks
Originally by: Brando Voogo
Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Repeat after me: The Raven is Not a Big Drake. The Raven is Not a Big Drake. The Raven is Not a Big Drake.
Will that fit work? Yes. Will I laugh at you for using it? Yes. Your DPS is quite lacking compared to a fit with 3-4 BCUs, which will affect how fast you can run missions.
Drake - Shield : Recharge - 5469 : 1400 = 3.9 CNR - Shield : Recharge - 11250 : 2500 = 4.5
True, it has a better base recharge. =)
Rattlesnake - Shield : Recharge - 12750 : 2500 = 5.1
GL getting a cheap one then. :)
Fact is that CNR can passive tank well. Period. Sure you can get more DPS if you use 3-4 BCUs but you wont get a tank as good as the passive one without spending billions of ISK.
With 3 Mission specific hardeners I get like 1000 DPS so I don't think AE Bonus would be a big problem.
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Dracthera
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Posted - 2008.10.17 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Brando Voogo
GL getting a cheap one then. :)
Fact is that CNR can passive tank well. Period. Sure you can get more DPS if you use 3-4 BCUs but you wont get a tank as good as the passive one without spending billions of ISK.
If you're going for a passive tank CNR, then why bother? It won't have DPS that much better than a Drake, and in fact you're far better off going for a Nighthawk instead - it'll be cheaper, it'll have more tanking abilities, and put out more DPS than your passive CNR.
There are also many setups out there for CNRs that won't break the bank, some using a pair of small boosters instead of the exorbitant large or XL boosters. And besides, if you can't come up with a billion ISK during the three or four months of training for a well-fitted CNR, then I think something's amiss.
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Cece Cline
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Posted - 2008.10.17 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: MilowFV Elea Electronica your fit is what 3.5 to 4.0 billion ISK? I would be more worried about getting gank by a sucide squad then NPC mission rats.
Is that really a realistic thing to worry about in high sec?
You can't really instapop him with 2 cruisers and concord response times just got beefed up to what, 4s in 1.0? I'm flying quite similar setup, not that expensive but still ~2b or so and I'm not afraid. should I?
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Vhiskey
Caldari Imperial Forces
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Posted - 2008.10.17 16:36:00 -
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you definately have to worry. a friend lost his faction fitted cnr next to a station. he had no chance
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Srioghal moDhream
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Posted - 2008.10.17 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cece Cline
Originally by: MilowFV Elea Electronica your fit is what 3.5 to 4.0 billion ISK? I would be more worried about getting gank by a sucide squad then NPC mission rats.
Is that really a realistic thing to worry about in high sec?
You can't really instapop him with 2 cruisers and concord response times just got beefed up to what, 4s in 1.0? I'm flying quite similar setup, not that expensive but still ~2b or so and I'm not afraid. should I?
ok cece look at it this way. a 4 billion isk setup is targeted for the gank. If only 1/4 of the value in isk drops that is 1 billion isk.
Raven = 84m Insur = 32m Fit'g = 15m Ins payout = 108m Net total = (23m)
So with 20 Ravens the cost is 460m leaving 540m making 27 mil each.
Now these are lowball numbers and rarely will you see a 20 person suicide gank squad, just put those up there to show that even with 20 people and minimal drops they still make a profit.
now put the drops at 2 billion and drop it to 10 ravens ravens cost 230m leaving 1770m in profit or 177 mil per person.
more than enough to keep a pvp'r in funds in low sec for a few months.
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Dechmeister
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Posted - 2008.10.18 06:25:00 -
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Edited by: Dechmeister on 18/10/2008 06:26:43 ish... passive CNR... my heart bleeds...
Seriously, I get 140DPS/600 alpha more than that fit with my near capped Cruise/Drone/Ship skills & puny T2 gear, and can still tank near 600DPS permanently, enough for everything thrown at me except AE Bonus (I switch to XL + Cap booster just for that single room or skip it entirely since faction drop nerf).
I complete missions 20% faster through DPS without being in any danger... so there is no use whatsoever to nerf your DPS for an overtanked brick. Overtanking is a direct ISK loss. Say no to overtanking.
Actually, my old Raven gets ~40 more DPS than your CNR, for a puny fraction of the cost lol
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