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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.10 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: mishkof
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: annoing
Just goes to show that the free market, low taxes economy is working as intended 
For once I can agree with you at least on the low taxes bit. Every presidential election the runners promise lower taxes and the people cheer but they don't realize it's screwing the nation as a whole, all they know is that it's more money in their pocket.
That is because the Socialist politicians do not want to stop their drunken sailor spending...If you cut taxes you MIGHT have less to spend...It figures modern day American politicians dont get it.
Regardless, expendatures have increased far faster then any tax system could keep up with anyways. No way am I paying over 50% in taxes so some states local politician can build a bridge to the North pole with federal funds.
If you guys want to be sheep and pick up the tab regardless of what is spent that is on you. I personaly prefer more responsible spending and lower taxes...Of course many of you believe that "paying taxes is your patriotic duty"...
There are two schools of thought- tax and spend, and free market.
To tax and spend is to say "we want control over what goes on in our country". So all the most important amenities (roads, emergency services, waste disposal, national defence, etc.) are dealt with communally. All citizens kick in an appropriate amount of cash, and then they elect a representative to manage the scheme. If the representative does bad, they can kick him out and elect someone else.
The free market is where you decide to leave it up to chance. You say "people will set up vital services so they can profit, so everything will deal with itself". There's no need for everyone to kick in some cash, and no need for an elaborate elected system of management. Everything will obviously cost a little more (seeing as the people running any given thing are after a bit of profit on top of the running costs), but it's also true that the risks aren't on the public, they're on small groups of individuals.
It is a dogged adherence to the free market principle, so fanatically followed since the '80s, that has gotten us into this current mess. Its the same devotion to the free market principle that contributed to the Great Depression. Advocating the free market as a solution to the current problem is naive at best. And advocating no-tax, no-spend is to advocate the free market.
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
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Mjnari
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2008.10.10 22:11:00 -
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Regarding the OP, this is just further support for the greater use of computers.
... rollover wouldn't have been a problem if they'd be using 2's comp. That's all I'm saying.  |
mama guru
Gallente
Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2008.10.10 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: mama guru on 10/10/2008 22:24:27
Edited by: mama guru on 10/10/2008 22:22:57
Originally by: Patch86
The free market is where you decide to leave it up to chance. You say "people will set up vital services so they can profit, so everything will deal with itself". There's no need for everyone to kick in some cash, and no need for an elaborate elected system of management. Everything will obviously cost a little more (seeing as the people running any given thing are after a bit of profit on top of the running costs), but it's also true that the risks aren't on the public, they're on small groups of individuals.
It is a dogged adherence to the free market principle, so fanatically followed since the '80s, that has gotten us into this current mess. Its the same devotion to the free market principle that contributed to the Great Depression. Advocating the free market as a solution to the current problem is naive at best. And advocating no-tax, no-spend is to advocate the free market.
Litsen to this guy.
Sweden are heading straight into the same shithole that we were in back in 1992. Loans are twice as expensive today as they were in 2005, alot of swedes now have loans that needs to be paid faster which also are more expensive. Combine this with the potential for housing prices to freeze and/or plummet now that we're racking up apartment complexes like madmen.
All in all things are heading straight to hell and our current goverment, the same centric-right liberal ******s that were in power during the 1992 crisis are doing next to nothing to prepare. They have the same policies of giving taxbreaks to those who are well off and employers in order to promote an increase in market activity and making more jobs out of the blue.
God i hate our current prime minister
TL;DR. Carl Bildt and Fredrik Reinfeldt, Same shit different *******s.
EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
CampyloBacter
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.10.10 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: CampyloBacter
Originally by: Vigilant
American history shows you, if you
Yes because Iraq played a big role in 9/11
And yes, ******s largely secular regime (abolishing sharia law, establishing a westernized legal system, giving women many new rights, having cristians in his cabinet) which was activly involved in stamping out religious zealots in iraq - was really heavily into "destabalising religious doctrine"
SKUNK
Some simplification there!
You feel that the intervention of western forces in Iraq was unjustified- Rather like the appeasers of the 1930's who felt that H Itler should be allowed to continue because he'd improved Germany's infrastructure!!
S Husein- a proven murderous dictator who dragged the world's biggest powers to war- Who you claim was a reforming, moderate influence in Iraq? Have you seen the photos of dead Kurdish children???
Al Qaeda- a shameless group of priveliged Muslims who use their influence to indoctrinate those less fortunate and well-educated than themselves. To do their dirty work to destabilise the peaceful, and largely tolerant Western Democracies, in the name of Islam.
Your naievety is touching. Husein didn't orchestrate 9/11. But would you prefer him still to be in control? His influence extended far beyond Iraq and his anti West sentiments were well known. I think history will judge the West to have done the right thing, although it's much more fashionable at present to jump on the anti-war bandwagon.
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mamolian
Madhatters Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: mamolian on 10/10/2008 22:30:31
10 trillion.. good lord..
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Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.10 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 10/10/2008 23:42:46
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: annoing
Just goes to show that the free market, low taxes economy is working as intended
For once I can agree with you at least on the low taxes bit. Every presidential election the runners promise lower taxes and the people cheer but they don't realize it's screwing the nation as a whole, all they know is that it's more money in their pocket.
Which loses value anyway, so your back to square 1. :)
PS: How did you guys celebrate the national debt climbing to a new order of magnitude ?
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2008.10.10 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sydonis
Am I the only one that would like to see a nationalised bank in the UK that only handles deposits and doesn't offer a fancy interest rate, but does offer security? Right now, I'm not sure where I'd be putting my cash if I had any... for once I'm glad to be broke (lost my job a while back and still no luck).
I'm guessing you didn't have a post office savings account when you were a kid then. I think I've still got mine somewhere with 86.5p or something like that in it (plus interest of course). Could be time to dust it off.
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