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Bayushi Kitsuke	Posted - 2008.10.06 22:52:00 - [1] Edited by: Bayushi Kitsuke on 06/10/2008 22:53:04 I'm currently playing Gallente and I love using drones. However, I noticed that there's only one ship that can shield tank (Myr) and people say you're practically forced to armor tank the rest. I never been comfortable with the idea of armor tanking (Lost more ships to armor tanking then shield). Now I'm close to upgrading to a battleship and what to see if it's possible to shield tank a Dominix. I know armor tanking with it will be better, I just want to see just how much less effective shield tanking is. So I made 3 builds to compare - 2 shield tanking and 1 armor. Constructive input would be appreciated! [Dominix, Passive shield] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Drone Link Augmenter I 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I Core Defense Field Purger II Core Defense Field Purger II Core Defense Field Purger II Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Defense value - 563 DPS - 2037 ========= [Dominix, Active shield] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Cap Recharger II X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Drone Link Augmentor I 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge L [empty high slot] Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Defense value - 403 DPS - 1725 ========= [Dominix, Armor Tank] Damage Control II Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 250mm Compressed Coil Gun I 250mm Compressed Coil Gun I 250mm Compressed Coil Gun I Heavy Nosferatu II Heavy Nosferatu II Drone Link Augmentor I Capacitor Control Circuit I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Defense value - 757 DPS - 847 ============== What I noticed so far is that a shield tank set up with a Domi will be weaker in the defense but have a lot more damage output. The best overall is the passive tank with decent tanking while having being able to dish out a lot of damage. Eve fitting tool was used in this and all skills are considered lv 5. Anti-Matter Charge was used as ammo. Comments?
Dyaven Interstellar Mining and Research	Posted - 2008.10.06 23:01:00 - [2] I think you've got extra digits in your DPS for the top two setups, or your missing a decimal place. 2k DPS in a Domi? O_o
Formulka	Posted - 2008.10.06 23:04:00 - [3] defence values are OK, but where the **** did domi get 2k dps? i want what you're smokin man ...
Bayushi Kitsuke	Posted - 2008.10.06 23:12:00 - [4] Yeah.... That's a BIG oops on my part - Sorry Passive S - 673 Active S - 634 Armor - 547 The shield tanks still dish out more dps. I'll edit the post to reflect the correct values.
Neyro7830 Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.	Posted - 2008.10.06 23:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Dyaven I think you've got extra digits in your DPS for the top two setups, or your missing a decimal place. 2k DPS in a Domi? O_o Maybe he had all 10 drones out at once? >_>
Ljonynja	Posted - 2008.10.06 23:39:00 - [6] Edited by: Ljonynja on 06/10/2008 23:41:51 Edited by: Ljonynja on 06/10/2008 23:41:23 Originally by: Bayushi Kitsuke Yeah.... That's a BIG oops on my part - Sorry Passive S - 673 Active S - 634 Armor - 547 The shield tanks still dish out more dps. I'll edit the post to reflect the correct values. Uh, you realise the only reason the armor tanked one deals less damage is that you for some reason put 2xNos and smaller guns on that one, right? EDIT: Not that I necessarily disagree with your point, I think shield Domis could make pretty good AFK mission boats. But I do not think your comparison is entirely fair. EDIT2: Why T2 rigs on the passive setup but not the others?
Bayushi Kitsuke	Posted - 2008.10.06 23:53:00 - [7] Quote: Uh, you realise the only reason the armor tanked one deals less damage is that you for some reason put 2xNos and smaller guns on that one, right? Yes, that's because the set up can only fit smaller guns. The NOS was added to help the cap recharge. I took the armor tank set up from the forums. Quote: Not that I necessarily disagree with your point, I think shield Domis could make pretty good AFK mission boats. But I do not think your comparison is entirely fair. Please post a better armor tank set up. I know I'm not a genius at ship set ups, hince the request for help. Quote: Why T2 rigs on the passive setup but not the others? Due to calibration. Putting all t2 rigs on it made the set go into the negatives. Again, if you have a set that you think would prove better, please post it.
Bayushi Kitsuke	Posted - 2008.10.07 00:28:00 - [8] Armor tank without the NOS [Dominix, Armor Tank] Damage Control II Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 350mm Compressed Coil Gun I 350mm Compressed Coil Gun I 350mm Compressed Coil Gun I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Drone Link Augmentor I Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit II Auxiliary Nano Pump I Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 DPS - 588 Defense - 669
Ljonynja	Posted - 2008.10.07 01:58:00 - [9] Sorry, I did not mean to sound snide. =/ Now, to try to be helpful. Time for setup posting! Here is an armor tank I like a bit more. I think it fits your priorities, an sturdy omni-tank and fair DPS. You are also content to use T2 rigs and the smallest type of BS rails. [Dominix, Dual Rep Armor Tank] Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Tracking Computer II Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x5 504 rainbow DPS tanked 718 DPS dealt Fully cap stable. If you want more drone range, you can easily drop a gun. This would also allow you to downgrade the CCC2 to a CCC1 while remaining fully cap stable. The main advantage I think this fit has over the first armor tanking one you posted is that it does not depend on Nos. The rest (I have a weaker tank and more damage) is a matter of preference, I think. As seen by your second setup. I think it is fine, just not how I want it. ================ Here is an armor tanking setup, probably closer to how I would do it: [Dominix, Monorep Armor Tank] Large Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Small Tractor Beam I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Garde II x5 181 rainbow DPS tanked 768 DPS dealt This may look quite a lot worse than the first setup I posted as far as tank/damage numbers are concerned. Let me explain myself. =) I like neither "overtanking" nor omni-tanks in PvE. So this setup here has a specific tank, setup to match a Serpentis damage scheme I have loaded in EFT (55% therm, 45% kin. No idea how accurate it really is, but it seems to work well enough). Using that scheme, my tank is 389. I think this is closer to being a "sniping" setup. It can sit at range and deal its DPS. No DPS lost to drone flight time. I would guess this completes missions faster. Also, I never use T2 rigs. Waaaaaaay out of my price range. This is cap stable without them. 0_o And it has a tractor. I like tractors. \o/ ================ Shield tanking... this turned out much better than I thought, actually. First I tried an XL booster, as you did, this is what I ended up with: [Dominix, Shield tank, XL booster] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Shield Boost Amplifier II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Small Tractor Beam I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x5 669 Serpentis DPS tanked (316 rainbow) 741 DPS dealt This is a bloody brick. You have to screw up reeeeeaally badly to have this blow up on you, I would guess. 0_o Weakness? Drone travel time, I suppose. And no tracking. =/
Ljonynja	Posted - 2008.10.07 02:08:00 - [10] Edited by: Ljonynja on 07/10/2008 02:10:49 OK, one more. EFT warrioring is fun. xD [Dominix, Shield tank, Large Booster] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x5 389 Serpentis DPS tanked (184 rainbow) 904 DPS dealt I guess this is the "gank" version of the XL boosting brick I posted above. I switched out the XL booster for a large one, and used the CPU, cap, and grid to get two more magstabs, an extra turret, and a T2 boost amp (was using the T1 boost amp before due to CPU shortage). I still did not have enough CPU for a full set of T2 hardeners, though. Both of the shield tanked fits are really tight on the CPU. =( Would probably use a turret CPU implant to make it all fit more snugly in real EVE. EDIT: Maybe it would be better to use CPRs to run an XL booster. Might try that tomorrow, sleep now. And I should also create a non-capstable setup sporting that yummy XL booster and more gank. Should be better in a real mission situation.

Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.10.07 02:11:00 - [11] You dont really passive shield tank a domi. What you do is active shield tank it with officer mods. Which allows you to use sentry dmg rigs and 6 large officer blasters. You deal near to 1000dps and the tank is tons. Only problem is other ships suicide ganking you. There's some vids on the forum somewhere with it. It's pretty fun. ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?"
Bayushi Kitsuke	Posted - 2008.10.07 02:44:00 - [12] Awesome, thanks! So this is proving to be rather informative threat showing that in fact Domi can shield tank. I would love to finish the thread with a armor vs shields for a Domi. Quote: You dont really passive shield tank a domi. What you do is active shield tank it with officer mods. Which allows you to use sentry dmg rigs and 6 large officer blasters. You deal near to 1000dps and the tank is tons. Only problem is other ships suicide ganking you. There's some vids on the forum somewhere with it. It's pretty fun. Officer mods aren't easy to get if I recall correctly. But if you can, post the set up? So, from what it looks like - you're not sacrificing much to pick shield tanking over armor tanking. Thus, it can actually be up to your play style preferences.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.10.07 06:15:00 - [13] Edited by: Pottsey on 07/10/2008 06:21:05 I prefer 6x 425mm railguns T2 with no drone aug with the passive shield tank. The Domi can shield tank I have been doing it for 4+ years. In fact the Domi started out as a shield tank, at the start you only ever shield tanked it. As its PvE you may as well add on the 3 passive implants that boost passive shield tanking and the one that boosts turret damage. ____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.07 06:29:00 - [14] Your dps sucks. This is the only shield-tanked Dominix setup you will ever need: [Dominix, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Reactor Control Unit II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Ogre II x5 You have considerably less need for tank when you're doing 1400 dps (more, with implants).
Bayushi Kitsuke	Posted - 2008.10.07 08:59:00 - [15] Thank you Merin, greatly appreciated!


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