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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2008.10.06 21:18:00 -
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Honestly I dont know why this hasnt been given serious (aka devblog-level) discussion, but whatever.
Item: Extended Webifier I
CPU: 35tf
PG: 1mw
Range: 30km (30% overload bonus)
Effect: -20% velocity
In other words, a webifier equivalent to the 20km scrambler. Nice long range, but only 20% reduction so even when stacked the best it can do is take the edge off a nanoship, not stop it dead in the water. But that's exactly what we need, the problem with nanoships and speed in general isnt that ships go fast, its that theres no particularly good counters like there are for other 'special abilities' like ECM, nos, etc.
And of course its easy to implement, as opposed to that turkey of a mass nerf that found its way to sisi a while back.
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Ineun
Minmatar
House An'geles
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ineun on 06/10/2008 22:48:43
its called a rapier dumbass
2x 90% webs at 32km
hat why they are always primaried after then falcons in nanogang vz nanogang
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Shin'Tor Varikior
Minmatar
Tactical Information Tribunal
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Posted - 2008.10.06 22:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Ineun
Edited by: Ineun on 06/10/2008 22:48:43
its called a rapier dumbass
 My... aren't we "Mr. Sociable" today... 
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Allen Ramses
Caldari
Typo Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.06 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shin'Tor Varikior
Originally by: Ineun
Edited by: Ineun on 06/10/2008 22:48:43
its called a rapier dumbass
My... aren't we "Mr. Sociable" today...
These are Eve Online forums. You expected maturity?
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Shin'Tor Varikior
Minmatar
Tactical Information Tribunal
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Posted - 2008.10.06 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Allen Ramses
Originally by: Shin'Tor Varikior
Originally by: Ineun
Edited by: Ineun on 06/10/2008 22:48:43
its called a rapier dumbass
My... aren't we "Mr. Sociable" today...
These are Eve Online forums. You expected maturity?
Well there is that 1 in a million chance a pig could sprout wings and fly... 
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2008.10.07 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ineun
Edited by: Ineun on 06/10/2008 22:48:43
its called a rapier dumbass
Hay guys I got a grate idear, lets make it so all ships have a sensor strength of 1 point and ECCM can only be fitted on the falcon. Then when people ***** that ECM is overpowered, I can respond and say 'its not really broke just fly a falcon' 
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Kransthow
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.10.07 23:34:00 -
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your idea is stupid at best,
GOGOGO BLACKBIRD WITH MIDS FULL OF EXTENDED WEBIFIERS
*watches rapier sales plummet*
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2008.10.07 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Del Narveux on 07/10/2008 23:42:37
Your claims are unjustified
Web penalties are proportional, so a blackbird with a full rack of Extended Web I would have an effective -73% speed reduction, i.e. less than one t1 web on a Rapier. Obviously it would be a cheap alternative to the Rapier, but that is sort of the point...as my troll-y example alludes to, the reason ECM is balanced and nano+MWD is not is there's no non-specialized counter to the latter.
edit: or put another way, a BBird with 6x web would have a similar anti nano capability as a BBird with 6x ECM/remote ECCM.
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Kransthow
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
ECM is balanced
stopped reading there
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.10.08 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Allen Ramses
Originally by: Shin'Tor Varikior
Originally by: Ineun
Edited by: Ineun on 06/10/2008 22:48:43
its called a rapier dumbass
My... aren't we "Mr. Sociable" today...
These are Eve Online forums. You expected maturity?
Ya could a couple years ago.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.10.08 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kransthow
wat, ecm only has one specialised counter which is eccm which isn't a very good counter at all. Nano on the other hand has many un-specialised counters which can be used very effectively to defeat/drive off such as:
- Zergling tacklers (OUR FRIGATES WILL BLOCK OUT THE SUN)
- Neut (hahabyebyemwd)
- Rapiers (MY 30 KM SPHERE OF INFLUENCE)
- Ecm (Won't catch them but used in counjuction with Frigate rushes severly increases their chance of success)
- 8 Battleships with smartbombs, 1 Bubble 
- And probably some others which I can't think of at the moment
Ok so your counters are:
Blob
neut, on an amarr recon or it's worthless vs nano
recon again, but with a web
ecm, which works exacly the same on any ship, nano or not
blob
And chances are the nano will STILL get away if he so chooses, which a smart nano pilot would.
As for the OP's idea: probably not. Even though you've set the speed reduction relativly low, I'm thinkin it's still enough with the range to be over powered. I'm not sayin it's wtfbbqpwnzorzualliwinbutton op'ed, but like "mandatory pvp gear" op'ed. Especially with the way it looks like they are doin the speed changes.
Then again maybe not. I can't say for sure without testing it.
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Tykkis
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Posted - 2008.10.08 12:15:00 -
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Very good idea. Breaks and bends a bit the ~12km fight range standard
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Commander Spectre
The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2008.10.08 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Spectre on 08/10/2008 12:22:00
I have a better idea...
How about if CCP just quits nerfing stuff? Everything they make they nerf in what seems like a carfully concieved time span that coincides with the exact amount of time it takes me to train for it. I even have a list of ships and mods I trained for that were all nerfed within 3 days of when I could use them that I won't bore you with...but it's growing to be quite a list.
All of this could be easily avoided if they spent more time thinking about the ship/mod and how it would interact with the rest of EVE before they release it.
It seems to me that one n00b complains cuz they can't "Win EVE" and take out all of "_______" alliance with an Atron and the devs start warming up thier trusty nerfbat to "Fix" the problem.
Look, if you don't like how good the ship/mod is that your enemy is using there's nothing stopping you from spending the time (like he did) to train it up too. That's probably why he trained it in the first place...cuz he got beat by someone that had it too.
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2008.10.08 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
As for the OP's idea: probably not. Even though you've set the speed reduction relativly low, I'm thinkin it's still enough with the range to be over powered. I'm not sayin it's wtfbbqpwnzorzualliwinbutton op'ed, but like "mandatory pvp gear" op'ed. Especially with the way it looks like they are doin the speed changes.
Then again maybe not. I can't say for sure without testing it.
To clarify, my proposal would be done in place of the scheduled speed nerfs, which frankly I don't think are going to have any more actual effect than the previous nanofiber nerf(I predict 3 days between the nerf and when the new way to correctly minmax using speed is found, posted, and FOTM'd). As for web use, theyre already mandatory pvp gear.
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