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Vikarion Caldari Hunters Imperiale Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.05 21:44:00 - [1] In my never-ending quest for knowledge, I have accumulated much information on the various factions in the cluster, from the cold and logical minions of Sansha, to the flamboyant Guristas and the business-like Serpentis, to say nothing of the four major empires. But there is one faction I do not yet understand or even really know much about. If anyone cares to enlighten me with fact and/or personal opinion about the doctrine, faith, and practices of the Sani Sabik, I would be grateful. And how do the Blood Raiders fit into all of this? I am deeply curious, and will offer a 2 million ISK prize - small, I know - to anyone I feel has been especially helpful or entertaining. -Vikarion -------- EVE - The only non-consensual PvP MMORPG* *Note: does not contain non-consensual PvP as of 9/3/2008
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.10.05 22:01:00 - [2] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 05/10/2008 22:02:21 The Sani Sabik faith is an ancient Amarrian religious sect which believes that some are born destined for greatness, and that all others are born simply to serve and enable the Elect with their lives and livelihoods. It went down well with the Holders who had a more nihilistic outlook on life, because it fed their egos and made them feel complete. However, when it became powerful enough to become a threat to Amarrian orthodoxy, it was brutally supressed by the Amarrian authorities in one of the few acts of religious supression which I've ever actually agreed with. The thing with blood came sometime during the time where the religion lived on as an underground cult in Amarrian society. Numerous sects and interpretations of it survive unto this day, with one of the most well-known being the Blood Raider Covenant, a collection of pirates and raiders who buy into the cult's dogma. Under the leadership of Omir Sarikusa, they add, on top of orthodox Sani Sabik belief (although it's difficult in the extreme to accurately define "orthodox" Sani Sabik belief, given how prevalent schisms and sectarianism are within its followers) that the blood of clones is somehow more "pure" or "sacred" than the blood of normals. If I had to venture a guess, I would say it is because they believe that capsuleers and those other fortunates with access to cloning technology are part of the Elect, and thus drinking their blood is more fulfilling somehow. That answer your question adequately? ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.10.05 22:24:00 - [3] The information above is accurate, I'll complement with a few details. The Sani Sabik is a set of ideologies expressed by the Holy Apocrypha. The Apocryphon is a collection of ancient texts that some believe were once part of the holy scriptures of the Amarr religion. These texts are considered heretical by the Amarr clergy and anyone founding preaching or distributing them is persecuted relentlessly. This ideology is followed by different sects each, having their own leadership and interpretation and focusing at an specific part of the teachings. A few examples: The Blood Sephrim - Cult ruled by Cephas Tane, First of the five, split from Blood raider sect years ago. Main focus, Empire politics. The Bloodveil and Archaeus of Blood - Cult ruled by Revan Neferis, Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign, also non related with Blood Raiders. Main Focus, Power through economical might and wars to influence politics. The Cruoris Seraphim- Cyshade - Blood Raider loyalists, I won't comment further about their policies as just a representative from such cult could detail what it comprises. The Blood raiders - Enough has been spoken about this cult, just worth remembering that their leader have vanished years ago and no actual leader have been known to take his place. Just a few examples. We have also, known names and celebrities being beacons of the Sani Sabik faith, as for example, the famous pop star Midna , capsuleers as Myadra Mebrithiel Ju'wien, Astarte Nosferatu among others. It's a mistake to equal Sani Sabik with Blood raiders. They are not synonyms nor represents the same thing. I hope this complements a bit your information database. And keep your isk. ...every fire needs a little bit help
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.10.05 22:26:00 - [4] Some more notes you may find useful: It should be noted that several sects of the Sani Sabik faith do not believe in the presence of a personified "God" figure. These are usually the sects of the religion that are also commonly identified with concepts such as self-worship or self-deification. Although almost all Sani Sabik believe, in one form or another, of the existence of some form of the supernatural, some confine this to the idea of the Elect or manifest destiny, others (such as the Blood Raiders) see this as the existence of God - some (also the Blood Raiders) even going so far as to identify this with the same God as the Amarr worship - a concept that is, of course, utterly vilified by the Amarr orthodoxy. Others believe in "magic", the supernatural ability to affect change on the world via force of will or adherence to strict ritual. Some combine these beliefs into inventive dogmas such as the assertion that the Elect are avatars of God on this plane, and/or have the ability, via birthright, to perform miracles. Some sects of the Sani Sabik are relatively quiet and insular, while others - generally, of course, the ones you hear about on the news - often consider kidnapping, torture, murder and other forms of terrorism as legitimate goals for acheiving both temporal power and spiritual fulfilment. The Blood Raiders are one such party, although others, such as the En-Slavers (although there is continuing debate as to whether they are actual followers of the Sani Sabik way or very well-disguised, psychotic clowns) also follow this tack. The presence of the Elect, in some form or other, is probably the one constant in Sani Sabik belief. The Elect (or whatever the particular sect calls them - I use "the Elect" here simply for clarity) are born destined for greatness, and it is believed that if they should accept that destiny, no mortal man may stand in their way. Mere mortals are there only for their amusement, and sometimes to hasten the realisation of their glorious destinies by laying down their lives in service of the Elect. Some sects intimate that one can ascend to the ranks of the Elect from the morass of the common man through hard work and perseverence - other sects say that this was destined, and that this particular member of the Elect was born in the ranks of common man only to make the realisation of his destiny more glorious. To these followers, you're either born great, or you're not. If you're one of the Elect, you'll become great in time, however you start out. Understandably this appeals to a select number of capsuleers because they are, in many ways, far above common humanity - physically, mentally and in the very form of their existence. It is only natural then that some would assume that their "apotheosis" into capsuleerdom was somehow destined. Given that barely one in a thousand truly has what it takes to be a pod pilot, and that the Elect are of course far smaller than the mass of humanity, there are some parallels that the astute person could draw between Sani Sabik belief and the realities of being a capsuleer. Much of my knowledge of one particular sect of the Sani Sabik comes from my friend MirrorGod, who was briefly part of it, although he never actually participated in any of its rituals. Another comes from my very well-publicised spat with Exalted, which contains the Cruoris Seraphim, who self-identify as Blood Raiders (their name, in fact, is, roughly translated from Amarrian, "Blood Angels"). It's good to know how your enemies think, you know? ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Stayche Minmatar Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.05 22:41:00 - [5] Warms me ****les to know you put all that time docked up during the war to good use Andy.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.10.05 22:48:00 - [6] Sites of particular religious significance include the Pagera Manton in the OK-FEM constellation, a huge, ancient Amarrian colony ship which became stranded in the wastes of Delve several centuries ago. Bereft of any help, or any means of summoning it, a bloody coup (to coin a phrase) started by an Ammatar named Kalorr Makur ensued and he began to secretely butcher those who opposed him and fed their meat to the rest of the crewmembers. He stored their blood in huge tanks as a last-resort for when the supply of meat ran out. This worked for over a year (although eventually he also had to eat his own followers), before the oxygen recycling system gave out and everyone who was still alive suffocated to death. The ship was found by the Blood Raiders a few years ago, fully intact and with the blood supplies still refrigerated. The blood was seen as a gift from God, but an even bigger boon was the fact that the bodies of Makur and his closest followers were found in stasis pods. Although he couldn't be resurrected, he was cloned using genetic material, and instated as an officer and later a Saint in the Covenant. Popular rumour has it that he and his closest followers (also cloned versions of his most faithful) are still at large, although many years of repetitive cloning, drug abuse and generally being a Blood Raider have driven them utterly insane. It is said that their ships can be found haunting the wreckage of the Pagera Manton, abducting anyone unfortunate enough to be set upon them and unable to drive them off. There's also a site (somewhere in Amarr space, I believe) called "The Bonfire" which I believe was once used as a ritual ground for mass human sacrifice. I've visited it but I can't quite remember the CONCORD Encyclopedia entry on it. It does, physically, resemble a kilometres-wide bonfire, with several slanted brown constructs surrounding a gigantic structure that emits a constant plasma flare. It's very symbolic but it's in Empire space and is thus no longer used for its original purpose. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Anneka Tong B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.10.05 23:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris There's also a site (somewhere in Amarr space, I believe) called "The Bonfire" which I believe was once used as a ritual ground for mass human sacrifice. It's in the Araz constellation. Apparently there's all manner of weird things to be found there. Or so I hear. I like genetic engineering Past projects: The Radioactive Sheep Current project: CyberCow
Vaden Khale Amarr the united	Posted - 2008.10.06 02:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Revan Neferis The information above is accurate, I'll complement with a few details. The Sani Sabik is a set of ideologies expressed by the Holy Apocrypha. The Apocryphon is a collection of ancient texts that some believe were once part of the holy scriptures of the Amarr religion. These texts are considered heretical by the Amarr clergy and anyone founding preaching or distributing them is persecuted relentlessly. This ideology is followed by different sects each, having their own leadership and interpretation and focusing at an specific part of the teachings. A few examples: The Blood Sephrim - Cult ruled by Cephas Tane, First of the five, split from Blood raider sect years ago. Main focus, Empire politics. The Bloodveil and Archaeus of Blood - Cult ruled by Revan Neferis, Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign, also non related with Blood Raiders. Main Focus, Power through economical might and wars to influence politics. The Cruoris Seraphim- Cyshade - Blood Raider loyalists, I won't comment further about their policies as just a representative from such cult could detail what it comprises. The Blood raiders - Enough has been spoken about this cult, just worth remembering that their leader have vanished years ago and no actual leader have been known to take his place. Just a few examples. We have also, known names and celebrities being beacons of the Sani Sabik faith, as for example, the famous pop star Midna , capsuleers as Myadra Mebrithiel Ju'wien, Astarte Nosferatu among others. It's a mistake to equal Sani Sabik with Blood raiders. They are not synonyms nor represents the same thing. I hope this complements a bit your information database. And keep your isk. Very well put, Revan. There are, of course, a multitude of sects, some consisting of only a handful of members, or in my case, a single practitioner. But those listed previously are some of the more prominent.
Vikarion Caldari Hunters Imperiale Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.06 02:57:00 - [9] Many thanks, Andreus and Revan, and to Andreus in particular. I could hardly have hoped for a more immediate and detailed response to my questions. As such, I will happily send 4 million ISK your way, though I will refrain from transmitting any to Revan, as per her request. I must admit to some duplicity here...I do know some of the things revealed about the Sani Sabik and the Blood Raiders. However, I must also point out that I have found pretended ignorance to be the best way of receiving a complete and non-truncated answer to a conundrum - here the problem being my uncertainty as to the various factions and varieties of Sani Sabik beliefs. While I must admit to a certain sympathy towards Sansha beliefs and ideals - specifically the transhuman transformations through mechanical/nano-tech implantation and augmentation, I regard the Sani Sabik as more of an intellectual puzzle, a "religion" characterized by almost paradoxical beliefs. I believe further and personal investigation may be necessary. -------- EVE - The only non-consensual PvP MMORPG* *Note: does not contain non-consensual PvP as of 9/3/2008
Orun Erajen Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.10.06 03:25:00 - [10] Edited by: Orun Erajen on 06/10/2008 03:28:33 Perhaps you would be interested in information on the Aenebra, Vikarion? They're an Intaki cult utterly unrelated to the Sani Sabik but with interesting parallels in their beliefs and practices. ----- Orun Erajen LeHane Family Representative and Capsuleer Liason

Vikarion Caldari Hunters Imperiale Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.06 03:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Orun Erajen Edited by: Orun Erajen on 06/10/2008 03:28:33 Perhaps you would be interested in information on the Aenebra, Vikarion? They're an Intaki cult utterly unrelated to the Sani Sabik but with interesting parallels in their beliefs and practices. Absolutely, Orun. What information can you provide me? -------- EVE - The only non-consensual PvP MMORPG* *Note: does not contain non-consensual PvP as of 9/3/2008
Orun Erajen Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.10.06 15:15:00 - [12] The Aenebra has been in the news fairly recently as an Intaki "death cult" responsible for several murders, and they've been linked to the Serpentis Corporation. Perhaps to explain their beliefs I should roughly outline Intaki orthodoxy, so that you may understand the contrast. Intaki religion posits the existence of the soul as an immortal entity that cannot be destroyed or harmed, and lives potentially hundreds of lives in a neverending cycle of death and reincarnation - "rebirth", as it is commonly known. Of course, there are different interpretations of this belief among different sects on our planet, but the beliefs that Andreus and I were raised on state, roughly, that souls are a fragment of the divine that were trapped here by the machinations of an imperfect but very powerful being who created the material world. This creator deity (Demiurge) seeks to trap us in the material world forever by hiding the truth behind a labyrinth of lies, dogma and false prophecies. You may be interested to know that many Intaki who follow this belief also identify the Amarrian God as either Demiurge itself, or one of its creations. Almost all Intaki religion relies on self-improvement and "enlightenment" - the purification of the Inner Self so that upon death (or sometimes, even before) one can escape the vulgar confines of the material world and acheive peace. Some Intaki become devoted ascetics, living in mountain monasteries and denying themselves their every want. Others, like myself, simply follow a small but strict code of morals that is not particularly restrictive in most areas, but requires very specific action in regards to a few set circumstances. The Aenebra Cult, meanwhile, are somewhat of an... oddity. They are perhaps a rather fearful entity to most people - a cult of serene and unerringly polite serial murderers who have absolutely no qualms about killing where they believe it is neccessary, yet generally do not show the tell-tale signs of mental instability. This is perhaps because (most) Intaki are very well known for having excellent emotional control, something that in normal circumstances makes us good diplomats and negotiators. In terms of the Aenebra, it makes them very well able to hide both their intent to their victims and the inevitable mental repercussions of taking human life. As for their beliefs, while Intaki see death as an inevitable part of life, the Aenebra take it further - they believe that the act of bringing death brings them power, and more than just temporal power. They believe that they can use death as a tool to effect change in the world - it is a common belief among them that a soul which has been struck from its body by murder is somehow "poisoned" in its next Rebirth. Some feel that Aenebra itself is a result of tis, and thus live to spread the cult like a disease - killing others so that they will reincarnate and continue the cult themselves in future years. The most dangerous ones do as they do because they realise that given their ammoral actions they will never transcend in this life - and thus they feel they have no moral obligations left, and may do as they please. This can lead from anything from abuse of drugs or hedonistic orgies of sensation (quite inappropriate for the stereotype of a quiet, collected Intaki, don't you think?) to very efficient and baffling sprees of random, untraceable murder. It is not surprising at all that the Serpentis use them as enforcers because they are frighteningly effective and devastatingly efficient but while they see their work for Serpentis as just that - simple work - they see the actions of the cult as art - humanity is the canvas for a masterpiece that no-one but them can truly understand - and anyone who gets in their way will become the next dab of paint. Frightening, no? ----- Orun Erajen LeHane Family Representative and Capsuleer Liason
Nicoletta Mithra Amarr Aretaic Turn	Posted - 2008.10.06 15:29:00 - [13] Originally by: Revan Neferis The Sani Sabik is a set of ideologies expressed by the Holy Apocrypha. The Apocryphon is a collection of ancient texts that some believe were once part of the holy scriptures of the Amarr religion. These texts are considered heretical by the Amarr clergy and anyone founding preaching or distributing them is persecuted relentlessly. The Apocryphon is the collection of many differing heretical religious texts, this includes some texts that the Sani Sabik have adopted as their own, but one has to be cautious: Not all texts in the Apocryphon are actually Sani Sabik texts and some are diametrically opposed to Sani Sabik beliefs. Some Sani Sabik would like to make us believe otherwise, but they always were a lot that tried to excell in the art of deception: And as we know, the best lie is the one you believe yourself. I think they are long lost in their own web of lies, not knowing what is true and a lie anymore. Originally by: Revan Neferis It's a mistake to equal Sani Sabik with Blood raiders. They are not synonyms nor represents the same thing. Playing with words like this is typical for Sani Sabik. All Blood Raiders are Sani Sabik, while not every Sani Sabik is a Blood Raider in the same way that all Sani Sabik are heretics but not all heretics are Sani Sabik. This is because one is the subset of the other: The Blood Raiders a subset of the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik a subset of the heretics. So, generally speaking it is a mistake to equal Sani Sabik with Blood Raiders, as they are not identical. But it's not always a mistake to equal them, because they are necessarily equal in some respects. They're equal in respect to being heretics, for example. The proposition "Blood Raiders and Sani Sabik are all the same." is certainly wrong taken at face value, but that's not what is meant by it and it would be wrong to do so. What is meant is that they are equal in most or all respects that matter and I at least think there are good reasons to believe this to be true.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.10.06 16:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Vaden Khale Very well put, Revan. There are, of course, a multitude of sects, some consisting of only a handful of members, or in my case, a single practitioner. But those listed previously are some of the more prominent. Pleasing to know that you are a Sani Sabik practioner Mr Vaden Khale. I wish you success in your endeavours. ...every fire needs a little bit help
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:56:00 - [15] Two things you may want to know. There are many Sabik out there who care little for proselytizing. The philosophies and beliefs of millions are likely to remain forever internalized when they see little reason to act otherwise. Remember that just because you do not see something, it doesn't necessarily mean it is not there. There are countless truths that remain hidden to all but the most determined of seekers. When it comes to subjects so varied and intricate as this, GalNet is often a profoundly limited source of information. This is due to both its public nature and the strict access limitations in place. Whilst I accept that there are some basic facts in existence that most anyone can agree on, the moment you depart from there you are simply speaking with Capsuleers who are, by and large, wholly disconnected from the world they are speaking to you about. You may want to keep that in mind when listening to what they have to say. I wish you the best of luck in this quest for knowledge, Vikarion.

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