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UloPe
Caldari
Quantum Trade Syndicate
Hereticus Aegis Communis
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Posted - 2008.10.05 00:16:00 -
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The idea is nice and all but - as usual with CCP - it's being turnes into a huge pile of BS.
Just look at the jerk-off answers given in the CSM-CCP meeting (I'm paraphrasing here):
CSM: Skill Queue?
CCP: Yeah sure we kind of know this has been bugging the hell out of everybody for years on end, but hey, we kind of like it that way. Oh sure we will "look into it".
CSM: Switching all ammo at once?
CCP: Yeah well you know this is all difficult and stuff. And it might add "L A G". But sure we will have a talk with the server guys who will (totally unexpected) concur with our opinion so we can shelve this as well. M'kay?
CSM: Forum Software?
CCP: Well you know this really difficult and hard to do too so we will probably just do nothing and continue to ignore the problem.
CSM: 30 Day GTC's?
CCP: Hmm we hear ya - but well we'd kind of much rather sell a ton of stupid BS products like mouse mats and key chains because you know having two seperate products it really much too expensve.
This all reads to me like CCP is going to throw a few token bones to us yo they can pretend to actually listen to player requests while in realtiy all they are doing is continuing to walk the same old path.
All those "cannot be changed", "would be much work", "would add too much load" answers are really driving me up the wall.
Instead of fixing preformance issues and usability problems they waste time on totally inane pointless garbage like ambulation (so they can pretend to be WOW in space in the hope to scr-ape up a few more gormless marketing victims).
Ah well at least writing this made me feel a bit better.
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UloPe
Caldari
Quantum Trade Syndicate
Hereticus Aegis Communis
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Posted - 2008.10.05 00:16:00 -
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The idea is nice and all but - as usual with CCP - it's being turnes into a huge pile of BS.
Just look at the jerk-off answers given in the CSM-CCP meeting (I'm paraphrasing here):
CSM: Skill Queue?
CCP: Yeah sure we kind of know this has been bugging the hell out of everybody for years on end, but hey, we kind of like it that way. Oh sure we will "look into it".
CSM: Switching all ammo at once?
CCP: Yeah well you know this is all difficult and stuff. And it might add "L A G". But sure we will have a talk with the server guys who will (totally unexpected) concur with our opinion so we can shelve this as well. M'kay?
CSM: Forum Software?
CCP: Well you know this really difficult and hard to do too so we will probably just do nothing and continue to ignore the problem.
CSM: 30 Day GTC's?
CCP: Hmm we hear ya - but well we'd kind of much rather sell a ton of stupid BS products like mouse mats and key chains because you know having two seperate products it really much too expensve.
This all reads to me like CCP is going to throw a few token bones to us yo they can pretend to actually listen to player requests while in realtiy all they are doing is continuing to walk the same old path.
All those "cannot be changed", "would be much work", "would add too much load" answers are really driving me up the wall.
Instead of fixing preformance issues and usability problems they waste time on totally inane pointless garbage like ambulation (so they can pretend to be WOW in space in the hope to scr-ape up a few more gormless marketing victims).
Ah well at least writing this made me feel a bit better.
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I SoStoned
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Posted - 2008.10.05 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: I SoStoned on 05/10/2008 01:44:02
Agreed.
Ambulation = SecondLife in space. Ooooooh, wow.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.05 09:06:00 -
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Actually the ambulation project is worked on by different sections than that of bug fixing and ship balance etc.
But it is lame when they say "its too hard" they shld really say "its a long way off" or something
Awesome EVE history
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Ankhesentapemkah
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.10.05 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 05/10/2008 09:45:20
I'm going to propose assigning a certain dev to an issue, just like an issue is assigned to a CSM. Then there will be some accountability, and the CSM that is responsible for the issue can get into contact with a CCP representative to get a status update or add further feedback.
*is currently working on a document that explains how all of this works*
We had a meeting with CCP yesterday, and I get the feeling that they agreed with the sentiment that some issues just end up in a black-box which neither CSM nor player has any sight on, and that we need some means to give some more transparancy there.
Once I have a wiki running for the issues, we will likely see some more two way communication as well, see this as example:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/ArenaNet:Developer_updates
In short, I agree with your concerns and see what you are coming from, but rest assured that there are people committed to making improvements in the future. This is the first CSM incarnation and it will get better from here.
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Thanks for all that supported me. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.05 09:55:00 -
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I would dance if devs gave people the ability to switch all turret/missile ammo at once, I cant believe this isnt in place yet.
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UloPe
Caldari
Quantum Trade Syndicate
Hereticus Aegis Communis
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Posted - 2008.10.05 16:03:00 -
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Ankhesentapemkah: good to hear that you are trying to get CCP to commit to a more open process.
I wish you luck with it ;)
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Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.05 19:36:00 -
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I got the feeling from the meeting that CCP are trying to be open. However, there's a limit on how much they can share. Devs assigned to an area etc already happens, as obviously issues are directed at different depts within CCP. Assigning a dev to an issue and a CSM member just complicates things, especially if that CSM member just shows up for meetings and occupies a slot on the CSM.
For ease of co-ordination and fairness, open dealings via CSM/CCP meetings is what should remain the mainstay. That's not to say more CCP/CSM meetings in a CSM term aren't needed!
Perhaps an update on submitted issue progress could be a requirement at the start of each CSM/CCP meeting, or a document that can be posted and accessed by players?
Take care,
Bruce Hansen
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DeviloftheHell
Caldari
RaaFharaX
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:49:00 -
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 Originally by: I SoStoned
Edited by: I SoStoned on 05/10/2008 01:44:02
Agreed.
Ambulation = SecondLife in space. Ooooooh, wow.
thx but i dont need for that shit :)
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Dex Timor
Forza Di Colpo
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:23:00 -
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Just as in RL. A very small part of the EvE population actually voted when they where asked to do so. Could be explained by not knowing what to expect from the CSM and by lack of time to read up all which was proposed during campaigns.
Currently I see the CSM as a form of filter, helping CCP to sift through the huge number of postings on this site. The CSM helps finding the rare gems and pre-polishes them. But CCP decides which ones they actually cut and put on display. After all they own the shop, they run the financial risk.
The CSM members seem very dedicated to me. ( good job !)
Concerning ambulation:
As long as game magazines playtest eve for 1 day (2 if CCP gets lucky) and end their review with: "EvE has nice graphics but your avatar is only a picture 32*32 pixels ..." that long CCP needs ambulation to keep up with other MMOs. (And yeah: I don't think very much of MMOs featuring 3d avatars which swing their weapon once every 5 seconds, with floating numbers above the head of opponents to indicate a hit. Ah well ... at least you can dance in those MMOs.)
But I think CCP promised to add useful features to ambulation. I hope they add the Macarena.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:27:00 -
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yet another slam the CSM post.
GBTWOW
: O P
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UloPe
Caldari
Quantum Trade Syndicate
Hereticus Aegis Communis
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Posted - 2008.10.06 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
yet another slam the CSM post.
I suggest you read my post again. I haven't said a single bad word about the CSM itself (neither outspoken nor implied).
All I was trying to say is that CCP (at least from my point of view) doesn't seem to take this CSM process very seriously.
Originally by: Drake Draconis
GBTWOW: O P
Yeah, Yeah, Bite me!
(Just for the record: I never have played nor will I ever play WoW)
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Miz Cenuij
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Posted - 2008.10.06 21:02:00 -
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I agree with the OP.
The responss to the CSM from CCP are donkey - carrot and the council members buy into it.
The whole CSM fiasco has been a joke - its members included.
"Men are going to die... and i'm going to kill them" |
Miz Cenuij
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Posted - 2008.10.06 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
yet another slam the CSM post.
GBTWOW
: O P
Yup, there have have been a lot of these threads latley - wonder why?
Got the message yet CCP, CSM ?
"Men are going to die... and i'm going to kill them" |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.06 21:54:00 -
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Assembly hall is not for ranting.
... nothing ever burns down by itself
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.10.06 21:58:00 -
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Locked.
Rant.
Mitnal
Community Representative
CCP Games, EVE Online
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