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Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:25:00 -
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As a point of clarity, CVA forces already engage Goons, TCF, UL, RA, AAA, BOB, EXE, MM, IRON, KIA, PL, TRI and a host of other groups because they did exactly what you have done. Piracy, NBSI in our area of influence or whatever label you want to slap on it. Also, a war is not required for the point to be made. Whatever temporary gain there is in your Militia involvement will be forgotten when you leave and take up your old ways. Militia is not amnesty and you need not be IN the Militia to serve the Empire faithfully. You have not changed, you serve yourselves. You will remain KOS.
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:37:00 -
[182]
 Originally by: Ratio Legis
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
goonswarm, tcf, -a- i bet they cringe to have to be found on the same KOS list as you are
You sidestep the point again. Your lack of affirmation that SL joining a random alliance is in itself a cause for automatic war with that alliance - as it seems to be the case with the Amarr militia - is answer in itself. No, it is not. Because the point is not whether -insert-alliance-here- are afraid to be KOS to you - it is whether YOU are ready to become KOS to them just because we joined them.
When presenting something in a way that won't make laughing stock out of you becomes impossible, it might be a good time to start pondering whether you are not, indeed, deserving to be laughed at. You are quickly getting to the point where your effort to present the black as white stops looking like rhetoric and becomes plain stupid.
you are again sidestepping the point of SL being KOS.
you will be KOS if you join any alliance.
if that alliance wishes to make us KOS for it is their problem not ours.
unless SL is taken of the KOS list (no matter if -insert-random-alliance-name-here is KOS to us or not) SL will be shot at.
the only one trying to make black look white are you guys by constructing piles of useless situations to cover that up.
if you want a temporary cease fire or get of the KOS list use the proper channels and don't whine here.
just cause you join an alliance or the milita doesn't change anything.
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Shad0wsFury
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:38:00 -
[183]
This topic goes nowhere, but here are the facts that have surfaced.
CVA SUPPORTS THE AMARR EMPIRE BY FIRING ON THE AMARR EMPIRE'S OWN COMBATANTS IN THE MILITIA.
CVA THINKS THEY CAN DICTATE TERMS IN EMPIRE BECAUSE THEY CLAIM TO BE AN EXTENSION OF THE AMARR EMPIRE. THIS HAS NOT BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE AMARR EMPIRE ITSELF, AND IS THEREFORE NOT OFFICIAL.
CVA THINKS THEY ARE RIGHT AND ACTING JUSTLY BY FIRING ON THE AMARR EMPIRE'S DEFENDERS, AND DISRUPTING LEGITIMATE COMBAT OPERATIONS AGAINST OUR TRUE ENEMY, THE MIMITAR REPUBLIC.
CVA THINKS THEY OWN AMARR LOWSEC.
The way I see it, CVA are acting as heathens. They support the Amarr doctrine, but not he Empire itself. These are not actions of a body that supports the Amarr Empire. No matter what their past deeds, they are currently the aggressor by attacking members of the Empire's loyal and righteous militia.
CVA are heathens and traitors, and should be dealt with accordingly from this point forward.
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Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:54:00 -
[184]
You are not Amarrian. You are confusing being allowed to serve the Empire with being granted the status of an Amarrian.
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Shad0wsFury
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:57:00 -
[185]
I serve the Empire without regard for personal reward. If they ever see fit to reward me in such a way as to recognize me as a true Amarrian, so be it. If not, I will have served the Empire proudly.
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Ratio Legis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 17:03:00 -
[186]
Edited by: Ratio Legis on 06/10/2008 17:04:41
Originally by: Pezzle
As a point of clarity, CVA forces already engage Goons, TCF, UL, RA, AAA, BOB, EXE, MM, IRON, KIA, PL, TRI and a host of other groups because they did exactly what you have done. Piracy, NBSI in our area of influence or whatever label you want to slap on it. Also, a war is not required for the point to be made. Whatever temporary gain there is in your Militia involvement will be forgotten when you leave and take up your old ways. Militia is not amnesty and you need not be IN the Militia to serve the Empire faithfully. You have not changed, you serve yourselves. You will remain KOS.
Are you daft? When did I ask who you engage because they've roamed through your space? Does this look like a place where anybody cares?
Seriously, all of CVA has a comprehension problem. You ask one thing, they suddenly become stupid and answer something completely unrelated. This is the result of inbreeding in a corner far away from anything relevant.
We know we are KOS, and we have always known we will remain so. No difference from the past - how many years already? Your inability to acknowledge that somebody who you do not like can possibly do anything more than interbreed in a desolate corner of space and actually be of real service to Amarr - your inability to comprehend the simple point that people who fight the same war you are claiming to support, might actually be worthy of not hindering - your inability to follow simple logic is monumental. Your inability, at last, to follow your own word - because SL and CVA had an agreement for not engaging each other in the war zone - is simply stupid.
We have proof to show the result of our service to Amarr. You claim years of service, yet for a few months SL has destroyed way more minmatar rebels than all of you can claim for the years you have been sucking your thumbs in fetal position in Providence.
Try asking 10 random Amarr militia members about the most valuable contributors to the Amarr war effort, then do the same with 10 Minmatar militiamen. You might be shocked to hear the answers.
Oh, and please invite more of your mentally challenged brethren to come here and do some rhetoric on behalf of CVA? It is really amusing watching your brain turmoils take form on paper.
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Chib
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.10.06 17:13:00 -
[187]
well i close my participation in this thread by saying that any CVA pilots presenting themselves as threats to ANY militia member in MILITIA space will be engaged by any gangs i am leading
the issue has been settled and KOS has been agreed and until such times as CVA change their stance regarding this or an agreement is reached between the our 2 factions as a whole CVA can consider themselves at risk from Milita and minmatar alike in low sec
just as we expect to be should we find ourselves in providence
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:18:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Chib
well i close my participation in this thread by saying that any CVA pilots presenting themselves as threats to ANY militia member in MILITIA space will be engaged by any gangs i am leading
the issue has been settled and KOS has been agreed and until such times as CVA change their stance regarding this or an agreement is reached between the our 2 factions as a whole CVA can consider themselves at risk from Milita and minmatar alike in low sec
just as we expect to be should we find ourselves in providence
Clear-cut, simple, factual, informative.
Thank you, Chib. Your intentions are noted.
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Hidetoshi Rushd
Caldari
7ulm Saif Niobe Industrial Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:20:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Hidetoshi Rushd on 06/10/2008 18:19:58
Originally by: Chib
well i close my participation in this thread by saying that any CVA pilots presenting themselves as threats to ANY militia member in MILITIA space will be engaged by any gangs i am leading
the issue has been settled and KOS has been agreed and until such times as CVA change their stance regarding this or an agreement is reached between the our 2 factions as a whole CVA can consider themselves at risk from Milita and minmatar alike in low sec
just as we expect to be should we find ourselves in providence
With this statement you choose to add another party to your enemy list: on one side you are already fighting the Minmatar and Gallente factions - and doing a p!ss poor job at it. On the other hand you are ready to accept being enemy to everyone that is upholding the KOS in Providence and Lower Domain, and applies the NRDSI-pact.
I suggest you worry about making the Amarr militia a bit more succesfull, since you suck at that, and stop pretending you are ready to go all-out against all Amarr residents that apply NRDSI. Because you are not.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:30:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Hidetoshi Rushd
With this statement you choose to add another party to your enemy list: on one side you are already fighting the Minmatar and Gallente factions - and doing a p!ss poor job at it. On the other hand you are ready to accept being enemy to everyone that is upholding the KOS in Providence and Lower Domain, and applies the NRDSI-pact.
I suggest you worry about making the Amarr militia a bit more succesfull, since you suck at that, and stop pretending you are ready to go all-out against all Amarr residents that apply NRDSI. Because you are not.
Wow...this is also unneccessary commentary. The facts clearly illustrate that the Crusade is now moving in the right direction after initial setbacks...and once again I'm not ashamed to point out that Slackers have been on the forefront of that effort, particularly in terms of churning out kills.
Insults in either direction are unneccessary here: this was a thread stating intentions towards CVA for our actions against hostiles! The intentions were acknowledged. Further insults, chest beating, speculation, and outright lies are nonconstructive and...just pointless. Productive commentary can be sought out through diplomatic channels should anybody feel the need to budge on their stance towards CVA.
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Shad0wsFury
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:05:00 -
[191]
Nobody wants or needs to change their stance to CVA.
CVA needs to change their stance towards the Amarr Militia. That simple. I suggest you discuss amongst your leadership what you are attempting to accomplish by shooting militia members. We are and should be on the same side. Shooting militia members is counter productive and should be considered heresy and treason.
Nobody but CVA needs to rethink their position. If you read through this thread, it's painfully obvious that the CVA and PIE members posting have been blindly following a doctrine by CVA that is leading them to the destruction of the core principals that the alliance is supposedly founded upon.
The bottom line is very simple, and has been stated multiple times. I'll put it in bold and italics this time, maybe that will work:
Members of the Amarr Militia have been appointed by the Empire as an extension of itself. Shooting members of the Amarr Militia is tantamount to shooting an emissary of the Empire itself. Shooting Amarr Militia members is not supporting the Empire, but instead causing harm to it, especially if said militia members are involved in an operation against our enemy, the Mimitar Republic. CVA, who proclaims their undying loyalty to the Amarr Empire, is virtually committing treason against the Empire with every shot fired against Amarr Militia members. Past issues, personal grievances and petty disputes MUST be set aside for the good of the Empire within the areas of operation of the Amarr Militia. If CVA truly stands by it's proclamation of unyielding support of the Amarr Empire, they must comply with this, or they will prove themselves to be nothing buy hypocrites, heretics and enemies of the Amarr Empire.
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Hidetoshi Rushd
Caldari
7ulm Saif Niobe Industrial Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:22:00 -
[192]
Edited by: Hidetoshi Rushd on 06/10/2008 19:21:46
Originally by: Garreck
Insults in either direction are unneccessary here: this was a thread stating intentions towards CVA for our actions against hostiles! The intentions were acknowledged. Further insults, chest beating, speculation, and outright lies are nonconstructive and...just pointless. Productive commentary can be sought out through diplomatic channels should anybody feel the need to budge on their stance towards CVA.
My intentions are not to insult anyone. I have stated valid arguments to plee the case, which in my opinion could not be more rational. These arguments stated are being approached in a sense I feel is disrespecting towards the efforts Amarr residents have put in to make both Providence and Lower Domain a better place for its residents. Piracy in both these parts is something the steady residents have agreed to fight, never tolerate and never put out for discussion. When other corps react to this as if this is nonsens and does not deserve respect, in those cases respect shall not be given. Of course I speak on my behalf and just stating my opinion. Although I know this is not CVA official stance, some CVA members have entrusted me that this is the way they feel regarding this subject.
The bottom line is: piracy in Providence and Lower Domain shall not be tolerated. This point of view is not open for discussion. If I have offended anyone with this point of view, you SHOULD take it personal. Because if you are offended by this point of view, you are encouraging piracy. Please note that the end intention is to intolerate piracy in these parts of space, and not to flame or offend anyone.
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Shad0wsFury
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:32:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Hidetoshi Rushd
Edited by: Hidetoshi Rushd on 06/10/2008 19:21:46
Originally by: Garreck
Insults in either direction are unneccessary here: this was a thread stating intentions towards CVA for our actions against hostiles! The intentions were acknowledged. Further insults, chest beating, speculation, and outright lies are nonconstructive and...just pointless. Productive commentary can be sought out through diplomatic channels should anybody feel the need to budge on their stance towards CVA.
My intentions are not to insult anyone. I have stated valid arguments to plee the case, which in my opinion could not be more rational. These arguments stated are being approached in a sense I feel is disrespecting towards the efforts Amarr residents have put in to make both Providence and Lower Domain a better place for its residents. Piracy in both these parts is something the steady residents have agreed to fight, never tolerate and never put out for discussion. When other corps react to this as if this is nonsens and does not deserve respect, in those cases respect shall not be given. Of course I speak on my behalf and just stating my opinion. Although I know this is not CVA official stance, some CVA members have entrusted me that this is the way they feel regarding this subject.
The bottom line is: piracy in Providence and Lower Domain shall not be tolerated. This point of view is not open for discussion. If I have offended anyone with this point of view, you SHOULD take it personal. Because if you are offended by this point of view, you are encouraging piracy. Please note that the end intention is to intolerate piracy in these parts of space, and not to flame or offend anyone.
Good. Fight piracy in your inconsequential little corner of 0.0. It's YOUR space, do whatever you want with it.
Don't bring your policies regarding YOUR space into Empire though. It's NOT your space anymore when you go there.
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Khan Rodak
Amarr
Manu Dei
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:45:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Shad0wsFury
This topic goes nowhere, but here are the facts that have surfaced.
CVA SUPPORTS THE AMARR EMPIRE BY FIRING ON THE AMARR EMPIRE'S OWN COMBATANTS IN THE MILITIA.
CVA THINKS THEY CAN DICTATE TERMS IN EMPIRE BECAUSE THEY CLAIM TO BE AN EXTENSION OF THE AMARR EMPIRE. THIS HAS NOT BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE AMARR EMPIRE ITSELF, AND IS THEREFORE NOT OFFICIAL.
CVA THINKS THEY ARE RIGHT AND ACTING JUSTLY BY FIRING ON THE AMARR EMPIRE'S DEFENDERS, AND DISRUPTING LEGITIMATE COMBAT OPERATIONS AGAINST OUR TRUE ENEMY, THE MIMITAR REPUBLIC.
CVA THINKS THEY OWN AMARR LOWSEC.
The way I see it, CVA are acting as heathens. They support the Amarr doctrine, but not he Empire itself. These are not actions of a body that supports the Amarr Empire. No matter what their past deeds, they are currently the aggressor by attacking members of the Empire's loyal and righteous militia.
CVA are heathens and traitors, and should be dealt with accordingly from this point forward.
Lets make this clear one and for all, now and forever:
MILITIA:
1. a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2. a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
ARMY: the military forces of a nation, exclusive of the navy and in some countries the air force.
Understand the diference and STOP claiming any particular amarr status. Where were when it actually made a diference and effort was needed to actually fight amarrian enemys?
New Seminarium open
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Khan Rodak
Amarr
Manu Dei
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:47:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
Originally by: Madmartigan
Edited by: Madmartigan on 06/10/2008 15:07:38
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
Originally by: Madmartigan
Edited by: Madmartigan on 06/10/2008 13:27:49
Originally by: Hidetoshi Rushd
Reacting to OP:
If a pilot - by his actions in what we know as CVA space solely - has been put on the KOS, he will be shot down on sight, regardless his work for the Militia. Being in the militia does not free pilots from the responsibility to obey rules that are applied in what is known as CVA space and are applied by the sov holders (CVA, Sev3rance, IAC, Tread, etc.).
Wraith might pleed a case for the militia, considering militia fleet activity puts them above the law but keep in mind: the militia has been active for only a few months, while CVA space sov holder have been doing this defence shit for Amarr for years.
Hmmm...........seems CVA arenŠt even following their own doctrine.
Last time I checked Bleak Lands werenŠt CVA space but a a space where universal law of CONCORD applies to (proven by the criminal flagging of CVA pilots by the only entity that has any right to uphold any given law or doctrine in that area, namely CONCORD).
So please tell me, where in CVAŠs doctrine does it say that CVA has ANYright to uphold their law but in their own space.
Might I add that the Empress and the late emperor made a deal with CONCORD to have them deal with any who opposed those rules. So in effect you are actually working against the empire you claim to work for. In my knowlegde that would be called a treason at best.
reading, it helps a lot!
If a pilot - by his actions in what we know as CVA space solely - has been put on the KOS, he will be shot down on sight
you were put on the KOS list for piracy in and around KBP-7G
you were never removed
you are KOS and will be attacked in CVA space and all of amarr low sec space as we have sworn to clear amarr low sec space from pirates.
if you wish to get of that KOS list use the proper channels and stop whining like a nano-girl.
I believe IŠve read it quite correctly, you seem however to be blind to anything other than CVA propaganda and lies.
It just shows that once again CVA state that their own laws supercede Amarr laws.
See, you can set and uphold your "laws" in YOUR space, I have no problems with that.
However, when you uphold your laws in a space that is NOT your own, and actually are in contradiction to the laws that are allready in place in that said space, you are actually committing a criminal action (hence criminal ***ging in said local).
And since the space you did this in is Amarr space you are therefor breaking Amarr laws and thus a criminal to the Amarrian Empire, wich you constantly claim to be working on behalf.
And furthermore you are disrupting an official Amarr operation within Amarr space. You can dictate who is a pirate in your own space, but I believe Amarrian Empire are the only ones that have the right to do so in their own space.
This, "good" sir is widely considered an act of treason.
yes, CONCORD may criminally flag me as it wishes if i kill pirates hiding behind the rules they superimpose.
get over it, you are KOS to us for criminal acts in our space and amarr low sec space.
CONCORD is a toothless band of degenerated infidels scared to enter low sec, amarr authorities don't really care.
WE do care.
WE reacted when you killed innocents in low sec and our space for money.
WE will not let you off the hook just cause you bring some dead fluffy bunnies from the ushes like a rabid dog eager to be spared his master's wrath.
show true dedication and repent your sins and we shall be as forgiving as God is.
just twisting words and trying to use some kill mails as general seal of amarr is a failout plan nothing more.
You were missed. Welcome back!
New Seminarium open
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Hidetoshi Rushd
Caldari
7ulm Saif Niobe Industrial Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shad0wsFury
Good. Fight piracy in your inconsequential little corner of 0.0. It's YOUR space, do whatever you want with it.
Don't bring your policies regarding YOUR space into Empire though. It's NOT your space anymore when you go there.
I don't know what you are on. I've stated clearly: the NRDSI-pact AT THIS MOMENT applies to Providence and Lower Domain. If you feel that either of these parts of Amarr Space does not fall under this pact, we will know by your actions from hereon. If you want to change this (or at least try), I wish you all the best with that useless effort.
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Ratio Legis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.07 02:37:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Hidetoshi Rushd
Edited by: Hidetoshi Rushd on 06/10/2008 18:19:58
Originally by: Chib
well i close my participation in this thread by saying that any CVA pilots presenting themselves as threats to ANY militia member in MILITIA space will be engaged by any gangs i am leading
the issue has been settled and KOS has been agreed and until such times as CVA change their stance regarding this or an agreement is reached between the our 2 factions as a whole CVA can consider themselves at risk from Milita and minmatar alike in low sec
just as we expect to be should we find ourselves in providence
With this statement you choose to add another party to your enemy list: on one side you are already fighting the Minmatar and Gallente factions - and doing a p!ss poor job at it. On the other hand you are ready to accept being enemy to everyone that is upholding the KOS in Providence and Lower Domain, and applies the NRDSI-pact.
I suggest you worry about making the Amarr militia a bit more succesfull, since you suck at that, and stop pretending you are ready to go all-out against all Amarr residents that apply NRDSI. Because you are not.
What would you know about how successful the Amarr militia is, sir? Have you fought there? Have you set foot there at all? Have you even read any news? I will once again reference this statistic for you to take a look at. There you will see that for the past week, the Amarr militia has destroyed more ships than the Minmatar one, despite having a third less members. Also, the Amarr has captured five systems against zero for Minmatar - again, in spite of the severe number disparity. How exactly does this amount to "sucking" and "**** poor job"? You are clearly as uninformed as you are unable to read, because nobody ever said anything about going "all-out" against your precious Providence landlords. What Chib stated was that he intends to have militia forces defend themselves if they get engaged by CVA in the Bleak lands - the same thing CVA do in their occupied space.
Trying to scare us with the big threat CVA will pose to our militia in case we actually defend ourselves is laughable. In case you did not bother to read the original post, we did defend ourselves and are somehow still alive and kicking Minmatar behinds - while you spew nonsense and waste everybody's time, speaking of things you know nothing about. Go on, run back to your CVA masters and tell them we hurt your feelings and called you an idiot.
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Hidetoshi Rushd
Caldari
7ulm Saif Niobe Industrial Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.07 07:28:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Ratio Legis
What would you know about how successful the Amarr militia is, sir? Have you fought there? Have you set foot there at all? Have you even read any news? I will once again reference this statistic for you to take a look at. There you will see that for the past week, the Amarr militia has destroyed more ships than the Minmatar one, despite having a third less members. Also, the Amarr has captured five systems against zero for Minmatar - again, in spite of the severe number disparity. How exactly does this amount to "sucking" and "**** poor job"? You are clearly as uninformed as you are unable to read, because nobody ever said anything about going "all-out" against your precious Providence landlords. What Chib stated was that he intends to have militia forces defend themselves if they get engaged by CVA in the Bleak lands - the same thing CVA do in their occupied space.
Trying to scare us with the big threat CVA will pose to our militia in case we actually defend ourselves is laughable. In case you did not bother to read the original post, we did defend ourselves and are somehow still alive and kicking Minmatar behinds - while you spew nonsense and waste everybody's time, speaking of things you know nothing about. Go on, run back to your CVA masters and tell them we hurt your feelings and called you an idiot.
First of all, I have been in the militia from the beginning. You can ask your CEO about that. You can also ask about the efforts I have made to help make the militia a succesfull operation. We have pulled out due to differences of the path to follow with, for example, your corporation. You better check your facts before you start throwing this at me, cause you will not come close to what my corp was prepared to do for the militia, and a lot of people in the militia will back this up.
Second of all, if you're gonna throw statistics at me, the least you can do is NOT narrow it down to just one week, since FW has been going on for some months. And overall taken, you guys are still doing a p!ss poor job at it, making you divert the focus to doing piracy in Amarr space - on Amarr residents!!! -, and then start crying like b!tches when you are being put to communital trial for these actions - instead of putting your focus on fighting the Amarr militia enemies and taking out some fleets, instead of flaming at me about you taking out a few frigates and cruisers.
Not only are you KOS for Providence and Lower Domain, you are also on this corps sh!tlist that is applied throughout EVE space.
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Ratio Legis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.07 09:48:00 -
[199]
Edited by: Ratio Legis on 07/10/2008 09:49:50
Originally by: Hidetoshi Rushd
First of all, I have been in the militia from the beginning. You can ask your CEO about that. You can also ask about the efforts I have made to help make the militia a succesfull operation. We have pulled out due to differences of the path to follow with, for example, your corporation. You better check your facts before you start throwing this at me, cause you will not come close to what my corp was prepared to do for the militia, and a lot of people in the militia will back this up.
Not from the beginning, moron - in the beginning is the expression that eludes you. Your "knowledge" of the state of affairs shows you have left not more than half a month after we joined - which means you have been gone for at least two months already, or more than half the duration of the war. I'm afraid however that my CEO would not be a reliable source about your involvement with our militia - if he had taken the burden to remember every imbecile he has run across, he would be a very troubled man indeed - which he is not. It readily shows what your self proclaimed efforts to help the militia amounted to - you left it when it was struggling the worst and needed every bit of resource it could get. We, on the other hand, stayed and helped it rise to its feet. Basically, your service to Amarr militia totals out at you deserting it - there's a fact for you.
Originally by: Hidetoshi Rushd
Second of all, if you're gonna throw statistics at me, the least you can do is NOT narrow it down to just one week, since FW has been going on for some months. And overall taken, you guys are still doing a p!ss poor job at it, making you divert the focus to doing piracy in Amarr space - on Amarr residents!!! -, and then start crying like b!tches when you are being put to communital trial for these actions - instead of putting your focus on fighting the Amarr militia enemies and taking out some fleets, instead of flaming at me about you taking out a few frigates and cruisers.
On this same interactive communique that I linked, and which is clearly too complicated for your midget brain capacity to comprehend, you have the option of viewing statistics for the last full month as well. I will be nice and assist you in reading it, so that we avoid further brain damage to you. There you can see that Amarr militia has scored more kills than the Minmatar in 24 of the last 30 days, has had less kills in 4 and is tied in 2 more days. Our kills have for two consecutive days surpassed the ones of the Caldari and Gallente militias as well - one of which has more than twice the members we possess. In the victory points department we have scoring better than the Minmatar about half the time throughout the month, however we have still been able to secure system after system from them while denying them taking a single one from us. If that is not clear superiority, I do not know what is. This goes back in time considerably more than a month too, though you cannot see it on the site at this point.
So take your insults and spew them where they are due - they are clearly aimed at your memory of what you left and your own failure at the time of your desertion.
I'll also refer you once more to the original post, which unambigusously stated it was, in fact, your poor victimized "Amarr residents!!!" who initiated the aggression discussed here, and they were subsequently flagged as pirates for everyone in the system to shoot at their whim. You are again confusing your desired reality with the factual one.
Originally by: Hidetoshi Rushd
Not only are you KOS for Providence and Lower Domain, you are also on this corps sh!tlist that is applied throughout EVE space.
Yes, all of your corp's lists are totally relevant throughout all EVE. Delusions of grandeur here?
Sir, you are in need of clinical help. Your condition goes beyond simple stupidity.
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Hidetoshi Rushd
Caldari
7ulm Saif Niobe Industrial Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.07 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ratio Legis
Sir, I'm yapping.
Basically you are talking very loud but ain't really saying sh!t. Yes, your CEO will remember when you mention the Elite Fleet Plan. If he doesn't, he should not be a CEO managing a corp. The reason we left the militia is that it was getting ran by idiots and morons such as your corporation, turning the militia into a group led by suckers that can't survive in an alliance set-up. No, we are not traitors, as we do NOT pirate on Amarr residents. Yes, YOU are the traitor for doing piracy in Amarr space.
All that other sh!t you are yapping is considered weath for the birds.
Bottom line and my only point is (to keep it ontopic): Let us catch you do piracy in Providence and Lower Domain and that will be your @ss. Let us catch you anywhere else, low sec or 0.0 - outside Providence and Lower Domain -, and you will be slapped with your own beloved NBSI-pact. Applied specifically for your corporation. End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. If you feel any need, keep yapping.
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Ratio Legis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.07 17:04:00 -
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I am saying and proving with facts that you, sir, are an imbecile who has no idea about what he is on about. Even CVA's Garreck told you that whatever else we can be accused of, failure on the inter-faction battlefield is not one of our transgressions - contrary to the time when militia had to rely on clinical idiots like you.
We are KOS to CVA and its pets - congratulations, moron, you get the prize of being the 133452th person to tell me that. NOW I am finally scared, whatever shall I do? Oh, wait I'm not - I've been KOS to them for years on end.
Seriously, CVA - if this is the kind of people that inhabit your precious Providence, I would not hurry up to open its borders to the Empire either. I would deploy even more troops on the exits so that no one can get out and work on some kind of solution involving euthanasia.
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.07 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hidetoshi Rushd
Originally by: Ratio Legis
Sir, I'm yapping.
Basically you are talking very loud but ain't really saying sh!t. Yes, your CEO will remember when you mention the Elite Fleet Plan. If he doesn't, he should not be a CEO managing a corp. The reason we left the militia is that it was getting ran by idiots and morons such as your corporation, turning the militia into a group led by suckers that can't survive in an alliance set-up. No, we are not traitors, as we do NOT pirate on Amarr residents. Yes, YOU are the traitor for doing piracy in Amarr space.
All that other sh!t you are yapping is considered weath for the birds.
Bottom line and my only point is (to keep it ontopic): Let us catch you do piracy in Providence and Lower Domain and that will be your @ss. Let us catch you anywhere else, low sec or 0.0 - outside Providence and Lower Domain -, and you will be slapped with your own beloved NBSI-pact. Applied specifically for your corporation. End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. If you feel any need, keep yapping.
Actually, I have no idea who you are or of this spectacularly failed plan that that you keep bragging about. Shockingly enough, you're not even registered on the internal communications network that the rest of the militia uses so I'm afraid to say that it is you, sir, who is full of shit.
However, if you'd like to settle this like real men and to pass along a war dec (since we're already on your galaxy-wide shitlist, apparently), please do so with haste. I would encourage you to back up your nonsensical words with some modi****of action, just so we can see what value the militia lost when you gave up and turned tail from the Minmatar.
I await the CONCORD notification sir, good day to you.
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BattleStar Crusader
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Posted - 2008.10.07 18:20:00 -
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I would like to state the truth of CVA's so called involvment in the Amarr militas plight. CVA HAVE not been seen to fight or win a "massive" fleet battle against the minmitar. They assisted in defending a pos take down against Armada, and Busting some bunkers, But each time milita fleet have been far larger. And to say that CVA are the end all be all of amarr loyalists is a rather pathetic way of saying, we have alot of space, so we ARE in control. PLease CVA make a milit corp and prove how loyal to the Amarr you really are, or go back to fighting POS warfare.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.07 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
And to say that CVA are the end all be all of amarr loyalists is a rather pathetic way of saying, we have alot of space, so we ARE in control.
Wow, that is pretty dumb. I'm glad no one in the CVA has made such stupid claims.
I believe what has been said of CVA's service as loyalists in contrast to the Crusade is that we fight on a different front. The validity of our campaign in Providence has continually been brought into question by our detractors, of course, but that's not our concern.
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Vlad Cetes
Caldari
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.10.07 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
I would like to state the truth of CVA's so called involvment in the Amarr militas plight. CVA HAVE not been seen to fight or win a "massive" fleet battle against the minmitar. They assisted in defending a pos take down against Armada, and Busting some bunkers, But each time milita fleet have been far larger. And to say that CVA are the end all be all of amarr loyalists is a rather pathetic way of saying, we have alot of space, so we ARE in control. PLease CVA make a milit corp and prove how loyal to the Amarr you really are, or go back to fighting POS warfare.
Somewhat correct. My records show that no pilots belonging to the CVA alliance where present in system TZVI when the fleet of carriers entered system. Upon receiving transcriptions from other ship log's it appears CVA's "support" was to occupy a gate outside the TZVI system and do nothing to prevent any hostile movements.
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Chib
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.10.08 11:50:00 -
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I had to poke my nose in again just to point out the irony in the minmatar and amarr militias banding together against CVA
it provides me lols :)
I do not intend to take anything away from CVA's accomplishments in Providence, they have developed and held the region for a long time. However i do find it slightly hypocritical that you can be so anti-pirate and have used pirates in your own history to help secure victory. (clarification here from CVA regarding the Establishment as i only learned this info from this communique)
Are slackers currently conducting campaigns into providence? No they are not! Will they do so in future? Probably!
Standings and relationships change as time goes on and for various different reasons being common enemys/friends, corporate action and personal agenda. No-one is asking CVA to "like" slackers but we are merely putting on the table that CVA leave them alone to conduct operations FOR the amarr militia while being a part of them.
I seriously doubt that they joined the militia to try and "escape" CVA's wrath but they did join it to fight for the empire and while doing so they are not pursuing CVA pilots in or around providence yet slackers have to tolerate you hunting them in "militia" space without you being classed as pirate yet if slackers enter your nulsec region with the laws YOU impose slackers are deemed to be pirates.
With that i Challenge the CVA diplomat here to justify if he so chooses why he can continue to condone the hunting of militia members that are NOT currently campaigning against CVA which hinders the empires war effort.
It seems to me like CVA want their cake and to eat it, if you truly are servants of the empire and the empire has deemed slackers suitable to be a part of its militia then why can't you put on hold hostile action until such times as they are no longer militia members
Furthermore there any many examples throughout eve history where one entity who has reason to grudge another has put aside their differences for their common interests before going back to shooting each other
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isqander
Amarr
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2008.10.08 12:52:00 -
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this thread makes me lol.com
i just skimmed through quickly and saw things like "we defend the amarr empire" "i have killed our true enemy, the minmatar militia for years" "are you even amarrian?"
NO HES NOT REALLY AMARRIAN YOU IDIOT, HES PROBABLY AMERICAN
AMARR IS JUST A RACE
im amarr, i like amarr ships BUT YOU DONT NEED TO GET PATRIOTIC ABOUT A GAME
calm down, take a deep breathe and blow some ships up, instead of having a big patriotic, political orgasm on a online forum.
roflcopter
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.08 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Chib
I do not intend to take anything away from CVA's accomplishments in Providence, they have developed and held the region for a long time. However i do find it slightly hypocritical that you can be so anti-pirate and have used pirates in your own history to help secure victory. (clarification here from CVA regarding the Establishment as i only learned this info from this communique)
Perhaps learning what really happened rather than making a fool of yourself would be better in the future. It seems people are confusing the etheral dawn attempt to take over the station in 9UY with the CVA attempt that happened much later. The Establishment was part of the Etheral Dawn attempt to take over 9UY that was stopped by ISS hiring MC. CVA took no part in those hostilities.
When CVA took the system The Establishment was very much on the side of Ushra'Khan due to CVA destroying several of their capital ships afew weeks prior to the siege and them being out for some revenge. Ofcourse why look up facts when you are trying to prove a point that is a lie in the first place, we cant have simple facts getting in the way can we? We must have our jesters for our continuing amusement.
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Chib
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Chib on 08/10/2008 14:27:46
i think you will find i put the bit in brackets asking for clarification on this as i stated that information was based on someone elses post in this thread.
AND i'm also trying to prove nothing, atm your actions so far speak for themselves
Ignore the statement i made about piracy and read the rest of the post which i think you will find is a respectful series of questions/statements aimed at CVA diplomats with no malice intended as to how they/you can justify shooting militia members who have past grief with your establishment but who are now currently working FOR amarr and are not currently campaigning against you
you chose to answer 1 paragraph out of a series which bears the least relevance to the issue at hand
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.08 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Solusar on 08/10/2008 16:25:47
The issue is being sorted. However CVA diplomats do not operate on IGS. This communication, while full of speculation and accusation has little to do with the issues at hand.
You are not a member of either Slackers, CVA or the Amarr Militia and according to your corp description are currently operating in Northern Stain so one wonders what your interest is other than to do the usual that we expect from IGS jesters and stir the pot?
If you wish to contact CVA diplomats IGS is not the way to do it.
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