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Greme
Amarr
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 12:25:00 -
[151]
Whilst you indeed posted log from a private subspace communication.
Though this does not change the matter, the offer was declined whilst I was asleep in my quarters tonight, and had you not come flittering to the Galnet boards to increase your own importance, the same reply would have reached you via subspace message to ensure your privacy.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2008.10.06 12:31:00 -
[152]
 Originally by: Greme
Whilst you indeed posted log from a private subspace communication.
Though this does not change the matter, the offer was declined whilst I was asleep in my quarters tonight, and had you not come flittering to the Galnet boards to increase your own importance, the same reply would have reached you via subspace message to ensure your privacy.
No, the log was posted by a friend of yours. You might do well browsing IGS. Actually, you might do well doing just that.
It seems like the meaning of private subspace comm relay escapes you now, as it escaped you when you found need to expose it.
The only loss here, in this whole thread, was yours. Unfortunately.
I'll leave you to think about it.
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 12:52:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Wraithstorm
Deciding to set an entity in the AMARR Militia hostile is one thing, however to enter our area of operation to hunt them down is another entirely. Especially when the pilot from said entity is on his way to assist a militia fleet. I have an obligation to defend the men under my (Fleet) Command, and I will do so vigorously. You may very well have your reasons for setting said entity red, however I will not tolerate you disrupting our fleets in sector.
Be advised that you will be fired upon by Armada forces, and any Militia fleet under our Command should we encounter you in our AOP disrupting our operations against the Minmitar.
Never thought Id have to put the above into writing
a long discussion has come out of this short notice and basicly Garrecks answer should have sufficed from a CVA point of view.
i have not read all the communications in this thread but i will comment the OP and the OP alone.
who you chose to have fly with your fleet is your business.
if you chose to fly with known pirates it is your business.
Slacker has been on our KOS list for ages now and will therefore be engaged by CVA forces.
if they are in a fleet with you or not is not of any consequence in this matter.
assisting known criminals is in itself an offense that might well get the offender on said KOS list.
so maybe rather you chose wisely who you team up with and not use that 'i'm an amarr militia member' banner on us cause we are as likely to care as the stars.
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Hidetoshi Rushd
Caldari
7ulm Saif Niobe Industrial Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 13:00:00 -
[154]
Reacting to OP:
If a pilot - by his actions in what we know as CVA space solely - has been put on the KOS, he will be shot down on sight, regardless his work for the Militia. Being in the militia does not free pilots from the responsibility to obey rules that are applied in what is known as CVA space and are applied by the sov holders (CVA, Sev3rance, IAC, Tread, etc.).
Wraith might pleed a case for the militia, considering militia fleet activity puts them above the law but keep in mind: the militia has been active for only a few months, while CVA space sov holder have been doing this defence shit for Amarr for years.
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Shad0wsFury
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 13:09:00 -
[155]
That's just it. They hold sovereignty and look after their OWN interests first, and the Amarr Empire second.
Just because they control an inconsequential slice of 0.0 and hold sovereignty does NOT give them the right to dictate terms on what happens within Amarr sovereign space.
Not only that, they claim to support the Empire, yet their own operations disrupt those of the Amarr Militia, a body who has been killing FAR more Mimitar and doing FAR more to advance the cause of the Amarr Empire than CVA can say they have of late. They claim support by third party, yet nobody, save possibly PIE, can speak of any support received from CVA.
Saying it and doing it. Still two separate things.
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Ratio Legis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 13:19:00 -
[156]
There is no "law" in pirating people in low sec, no matter what standings you choose to set them at. Trying to present voluntary aggression as an application of a universal code is popular among CVA supporters. They apparently lack the mental capacity to make the distinction between their private policies and state laws.
The threats of escalation by CVA are amusing too. I urge them to follow through with their threats and send more patrols to the Bleak lands, then carefully update their KOS list with all the corporations they see on the lossmails they are going reap. Seeing how Armada and SL end up as commanding the militia fleets much of the time, CVA clerks will have a lot of catching up to do with all the new reds they are going to get.
Then I would like to see them claim support for the militia again, while simultaneously shooting its majority on sight.
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Greme
Amarr
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 13:24:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
so maybe rather you chose wisely who you team up with and not use that 'i'm an amarr militia member' banner on us cause we are as likely to care as the stars.
So if I am correct, you are asking militia members to forgoe adding any slacker industries members to gangs, thereby removing our proven effectiveness from the fight against the minmatar scourge. Your logic is impeccable, I am sure you would not like the effect on the bleak lands occupancy after effectively removing us from the militia.
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Madmartigan
Gallente
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 13:24:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Madmartigan on 06/10/2008 13:27:49
Originally by: Hidetoshi Rushd
Reacting to OP:
If a pilot - by his actions in what we know as CVA space solely - has been put on the KOS, he will be shot down on sight, regardless his work for the Militia. Being in the militia does not free pilots from the responsibility to obey rules that are applied in what is known as CVA space and are applied by the sov holders (CVA, Sev3rance, IAC, Tread, etc.).
Wraith might pleed a case for the militia, considering militia fleet activity puts them above the law but keep in mind: the militia has been active for only a few months, while CVA space sov holder have been doing this defence shit for Amarr for years.
Hmmm...........seems CVA arenŠt even following their own doctrine.
Last time I checked Bleak Lands werenŠt CVA space but a a space where universal law of CONCORD applies to (proven by the criminal flagging of CVA pilots by the only entity that has any right to uphold any given law or doctrine in that area, namely CONCORD).
So please tell me, where in CVAŠs doctrine does it say that CVA has ANYright to uphold their law but in their own space.
Might I add that the Empress and the late emperor made a deal with CONCORD to have them deal with any who opposed those rules. So in effect you are actually working against the empire you claim to work for. In my knowlegde that would be called a treason at best.
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 13:54:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Greme
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
so maybe rather you chose wisely who you team up with and not use that 'i'm an amarr militia member' banner on us cause we are as likely to care as the stars.
So if I am correct, you are asking militia members to forgoe adding any slacker industries members to gangs, thereby removing our proven effectiveness from the fight against the minmatar scourge. Your logic is impeccable, I am sure you would not like the effect on the bleak lands occupancy after effectively removing us from the militia.
you are KOS to CVA.
you know it, i know it.
he can invite trouble and deal with it by flying with you, or he can reject trouble right away by not flying with you.
you accept to be shot at by CVA, he has to accept slackers are being shot at by CVA.
what you claim to do of service to the militia is another point completly and does nothing regarding your KOS status.
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 13:59:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Madmartigan
Edited by: Madmartigan on 06/10/2008 13:27:49
Originally by: Hidetoshi Rushd
Reacting to OP:
If a pilot - by his actions in what we know as CVA space solely - has been put on the KOS, he will be shot down on sight, regardless his work for the Militia. Being in the militia does not free pilots from the responsibility to obey rules that are applied in what is known as CVA space and are applied by the sov holders (CVA, Sev3rance, IAC, Tread, etc.).
Wraith might pleed a case for the militia, considering militia fleet activity puts them above the law but keep in mind: the militia has been active for only a few months, while CVA space sov holder have been doing this defence shit for Amarr for years.
Hmmm...........seems CVA arenŠt even following their own doctrine.
Last time I checked Bleak Lands werenŠt CVA space but a a space where universal law of CONCORD applies to (proven by the criminal flagging of CVA pilots by the only entity that has any right to uphold any given law or doctrine in that area, namely CONCORD).
So please tell me, where in CVAŠs doctrine does it say that CVA has ANYright to uphold their law but in their own space.
Might I add that the Empress and the late emperor made a deal with CONCORD to have them deal with any who opposed those rules. So in effect you are actually working against the empire you claim to work for. In my knowlegde that would be called a treason at best.
reading, it helps a lot!
If a pilot - by his actions in what we know as CVA space solely - has been put on the KOS, he will be shot down on sight
you were put on the KOS list for piracy in and around KBP-7G
you were never removed
you are KOS and will be attacked in CVA space and all of amarr low sec space as we have sworn to clear amarr low sec space from pirates.
if you wish to get of that KOS list use the proper channels and stop whining like a nano-girl.
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Ratio Legis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 14:12:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
you are KOS to CVA.
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what you claim to do of service to the militia is another point completly and does nothing regarding your KOS status.
To rephrase your message - you care nothing of militia interests and your KOS list is the ultimate authority in the universe as far as CVA is concerned.
Regarding our "claims of service", I suggest you look at official statistics. You will find the SL pilot Elise Randolph the top killer of all time, SL pilot Elise Randolph in top 10 killers for the week, SL topping the Amarr chart for kills of all time and SL at second place for last week for the Bleak Lands theater of operations, bested only by Armada. I challenge you to produce equally verifiable statistic that proves CVA's involvement with militia interests, since so far nobody has shown a single thing in public. You insinuate our claims of service are empty, now I throw it back at you. I, sir, say CVA is purposefully deceiving the public regarding its support for the Amarr militia and the Amarr empire as a whole. Your acts contradict your claims.
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 14:18:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Ratio Legis
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
you are KOS to CVA.
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what you claim to do of service to the militia is another point completly and does nothing regarding your KOS status.
To rephrase your message - you care nothing of militia interests and your KOS list is the ultimate authority in the universe as far as CVA is concerned.
Regarding our "claims of service", I suggest you look at official statistics. You will find the SL pilot Elise Randolph the top killer of all time, SL pilot Elise Randolph in top 10 killers for the week, SL topping the Amarr chart for kills of all time and SL at second place for last week for the Bleak Lands theater of operations, bested only by Armada. I challenge you to produce equally verifiable statistic that proves CVA's involvement with militia interests, since so far nobody has shown a single thing in public. You insinuate our claims of service are empty, now I throw it back at you. I, sir, say CVA is purposefully deceiving the public regarding its support for the Amarr militia and the Amarr empire as a whole. Your acts contradict your claims.
let me emphasise this one more and final time:
your, after checking the statistics as you proposed, undoubtedly very effective performance for the militia does NOT have an influence on our KOS list.
if you repent the sins and crimes commited before joining the militia and chose to renounce piracy in low sec and accept our NRDS rules for CVA space (ignoring those got you on the KOS list) i am sure there is a way for you to get of the KOS list.
killing loads of terrorists is not enough however.
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 14:22:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Ratio Legis
To rephrase your message - you care nothing of militia interests and your KOS list is the ultimate authority in the universe as far as CVA is concerned.
You got the second half right. Without mandate from Her Holiness directing us otherwise, CVA will indeed sustain our own standings as the final authority of "shoot/don't shoot." You can interpret this as "we care nothing of militia interests," but that is spin on your part.
And, interestingly enough, our reasoning is being justified right here in front of the public's eyes. We are indeed finding out what happens when now re-affirmed pirates fight for the right cause for the wrong reasons. You have your glory, and already you're seeking the next big thing.
And still you try to point the finger at CVA for not having the Militia or the Empire's interests at heart. Clever ploy...should be interesting to see how many folks buy it.
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Ratio Legis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 14:23:00 -
[164]
In other words, you state your determination to continue to disrupt militia operations on the grounds that at some time in the past CVA and SL became hostile to each other.
This, sir, makes CVA patriotic exactly how?
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 14:40:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Ratio Legis
In other words, you state your determination to continue to disrupt militia operations on the grounds that at some time in the past CVA and SL became hostile to each other.
This, sir, makes CVA patriotic exactly how?
more patriotic than you for the only reason you had to join with the amarr milita was the comfortable proximity of recruitment offices.
we have fought in the name of the empire long before you had your piloting license.
and for the record: the only thing in discussion here is as you very correctly pointed out: CVA and SL became hostile to each other.
and as you seemingly don't want to change that, live with it.
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Greme
Amarr
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 14:57:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
he only reason you had to join with the amarr milita was the comfortable proximity of recruitment offices
Which is where you are again wrong. Our reasoning for signing up for the Amarr militia was out of patriotism and pitty. Having lived inside Amarrian space for so long, we feel a close link with what we know as our great empire (myself being a true Amarrian, I take even further offence at this statement). Furthermore, we saw the slaughtering that our defensive forces in the bleak lands were receiving from the minmatar and decided, for these two reasons, to sign up and help.
Though apparently such help is not wanted by our "great overlords".
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 15:03:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Greme
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
he only reason you had to join with the amarr milita was the comfortable proximity of recruitment offices
Which is where you are again wrong. Our reasoning for signing up for the Amarr militia was out of patriotism and pitty. Having lived inside Amarrian space for so long, we feel a close link with what we know as our great empire (myself being a true Amarrian, I take even further offence at this statement). Furthermore, we saw the slaughtering that our defensive forces in the bleak lands were receiving from the minmatar and decided, for these two reasons, to sign up and help.
Though apparently such help is not wanted by our "great overlords".
the comment was intended to sting!
neither are we your great overlords nor is help not welcome.
as i said before your achievements are not in any way doubted by any of CVA.
the whole point of this is that you are still on our KOS list and help for the empire does not replace the ships you destroyed during your pirating days nor does it erase the memory of those you killed ruthlessly. |
Madmartigan
Gallente
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 15:05:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
Originally by: Madmartigan
Edited by: Madmartigan on 06/10/2008 13:27:49
Originally by: Hidetoshi Rushd
Reacting to OP:
If a pilot - by his actions in what we know as CVA space solely - has been put on the KOS, he will be shot down on sight, regardless his work for the Militia. Being in the militia does not free pilots from the responsibility to obey rules that are applied in what is known as CVA space and are applied by the sov holders (CVA, Sev3rance, IAC, Tread, etc.).
Wraith might pleed a case for the militia, considering militia fleet activity puts them above the law but keep in mind: the militia has been active for only a few months, while CVA space sov holder have been doing this defence shit for Amarr for years.
Hmmm...........seems CVA arenŠt even following their own doctrine.
Last time I checked Bleak Lands werenŠt CVA space but a a space where universal law of CONCORD applies to (proven by the criminal flagging of CVA pilots by the only entity that has any right to uphold any given law or doctrine in that area, namely CONCORD).
So please tell me, where in CVAŠs doctrine does it say that CVA has ANYright to uphold their law but in their own space.
Might I add that the Empress and the late emperor made a deal with CONCORD to have them deal with any who opposed those rules. So in effect you are actually working against the empire you claim to work for. In my knowlegde that would be called a treason at best.
reading, it helps a lot!
If a pilot - by his actions in what we know as CVA space solely - has been put on the KOS, he will be shot down on sight
you were put on the KOS list for piracy in and around KBP-7G
you were never removed
you are KOS and will be attacked in CVA space and all of amarr low sec space as we have sworn to clear amarr low sec space from pirates.
if you wish to get of that KOS list use the proper channels and stop whining like a nano-girl.
I believe IŠve read it quite correctly, you seem however to be blind to anything that CVA propaganda and lies.
It just shows that once again CVA state that their own laws supercede Amarr laws.
See, you can set and uphold your "laws" in YOUR space, I have no problems with that.
However, when you uphold your laws in a space that is NOT your own, and actually are in contradiction to the laws that are allready in place in that said space, you are actually committing a criminal action (hence criminal ***ging in said local).
And since the space you did this in is Amarr space you are therefor breaking Amarr laws and thus a criminal to the Amarrian Empire, wich you constantly claim to be working on behalf.
And furthermore you are disrupting an official Amarr operation within Amarr space. You can dictate who is a pirate in your own space, but I believe Amarrian Empire are the only ones that have the right to do so in their own space.
This, "good" sir is widely considered an act of treason. |
Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 15:15:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Madmartigan
Edited by: Madmartigan on 06/10/2008 15:07:38
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
Originally by: Madmartigan
Edited by: Madmartigan on 06/10/2008 13:27:49
Originally by: Hidetoshi Rushd
Reacting to OP:
If a pilot - by his actions in what we know as CVA space solely - has been put on the KOS, he will be shot down on sight, regardless his work for the Militia. Being in the militia does not free pilots from the responsibility to obey rules that are applied in what is known as CVA space and are applied by the sov holders (CVA, Sev3rance, IAC, Tread, etc.).
Wraith might pleed a case for the militia, considering militia fleet activity puts them above the law but keep in mind: the militia has been active for only a few months, while CVA space sov holder have been doing this defence shit for Amarr for years.
Hmmm...........seems CVA arenŠt even following their own doctrine.
Last time I checked Bleak Lands werenŠt CVA space but a a space where universal law of CONCORD applies to (proven by the criminal flagging of CVA pilots by the only entity that has any right to uphold any given law or doctrine in that area, namely CONCORD).
So please tell me, where in CVAŠs doctrine does it say that CVA has ANYright to uphold their law but in their own space.
Might I add that the Empress and the late emperor made a deal with CONCORD to have them deal with any who opposed those rules. So in effect you are actually working against the empire you claim to work for. In my knowlegde that would be called a treason at best.
reading, it helps a lot!
If a pilot - by his actions in what we know as CVA space solely - has been put on the KOS, he will be shot down on sight
you were put on the KOS list for piracy in and around KBP-7G
you were never removed
you are KOS and will be attacked in CVA space and all of amarr low sec space as we have sworn to clear amarr low sec space from pirates.
if you wish to get of that KOS list use the proper channels and stop whining like a nano-girl.
I believe IŠve read it quite correctly, you seem however to be blind to anything other than CVA propaganda and lies.
It just shows that once again CVA state that their own laws supercede Amarr laws.
See, you can set and uphold your "laws" in YOUR space, I have no problems with that.
However, when you uphold your laws in a space that is NOT your own, and actually are in contradiction to the laws that are allready in place in that said space, you are actually committing a criminal action (hence criminal ***ging in said local).
And since the space you did this in is Amarr space you are therefor breaking Amarr laws and thus a criminal to the Amarrian Empire, wich you constantly claim to be working on behalf.
And furthermore you are disrupting an official Amarr operation within Amarr space. You can dictate who is a pirate in your own space, but I believe Amarrian Empire are the only ones that have the right to do so in their own space.
This, "good" sir is widely considered an act of treason.
yes, CONCORD may criminally flag me as it wishes if i kill pirates hiding behind the rules they superimpose.
get over it, you are KOS to us for criminal acts in our space and amarr low sec space.
CONCORD is a toothless band of degenerated infidels scared to enter low sec, amarr authorities don't really care.
WE do care.
WE reacted when you killed innocents in low sec and our space for money.
WE will not let you off the hook just cause you bring some dead fluffy bunnies from the ushes like a rabid dog eager to be spared his master's wrath.
show true dedication and repent your sins and we shall be as forgiving as God is.
just twisting words and trying to use some kill mails as general seal of amarr is a failout plan nothing more.
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Ratio Legis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 15:25:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
Originally by: Ratio Legis
In other words, you state your determination to continue to disrupt militia operations on the grounds that at some time in the past CVA and SL became hostile to each other.
This, sir, makes CVA patriotic exactly how?
more patriotic than you for the only reason you had to join with the amarr milita was the comfortable proximity of recruitment offices.
we have fought in the name of the empire long before you had your piloting license.
and for the record: the only thing in discussion here is as you very correctly pointed out: CVA and SL became hostile to each other.
and as you seemingly don't want to change that, live with it.
Again you offer empty claims without a single fact to back them.
We have lived inside your KOS list for years, and we will for more to come, I'm sure. What we are doing here is exposing the hypocrisy of CVA's claims of involvement with the cause of Amarr, while you actually place your private interests above those of Amarr.
Your hard line and unwillingness to acknowledge the common sense of a limited ceasefire between militia corps and CVA for the area of the Bleak lands is possible because you face no repercussions for it. If SL tomorrow become part of an entity not as powerless as an irregular army, but a real alliance (like, for example, Goonswarm or TCF), would you continue shooting us, automatically entering a state of war with that alliance? I do not believe that even your hypocrisy goes far enough to affirm that, because a claim like that is very easily verifiable if one takes the time to look at CVA's inter-alliance politics in the past, where many corps have changed allegiance, including ones that were KOS to you.
So, you act with greater disregard toward the interests of the war Amarr is leading than you would for a random private alliance, and still have the face to pose as an Amarr patriot?
You fail to produce facts about your supposed support for the Amarr state, and you still call us traitors, despite the fact our effective action on behalf of the state is out there for everyone to see?
No one is debating your power to choose who you shoot and where - that's a fact of life. Another such fact is that SL is now an integral part of the Amarr militia - no matter if you like it or not - and shooting us WILL disrupt the war effort. How you choose to combine those two facts is up to you. You act like there is nothing you can do about it, while in reality you have a choice on the matter - only the way you have chosen is not very appropriate for showing in public. Instead of taking a step back and looking for a way to act for the common benefit, you choose to screw everyone over your private interest.
This is what you've been trying hard - and failing - to conceal, and what I've been exposing all along.
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 15:26:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
yes, CONCORD may criminally flag me as it wishes if i kill pirates hiding behind the rules they superimpose.
get over it, you are KOS to us for criminal acts in our space and amarr low sec space.
CONCORD is a toothless band of degenerated infidels scared to enter low sec, amarr authorities don't really care.
WE do care.
WE reacted when you killed innocents in low sec and our space for money.
WE will not let you off the hook just cause you bring some dead fluffy bunnies from the ushes like a rabid dog eager to be spared his master's wrath.
show true dedication and repent your sins and we shall be as forgiving as God is.
just twisting words and trying to use some kill mails as general seal of amarr is a failout plan nothing more.
Your ability to talk in circles is astounding. Have I wandered into a feminist convention or is this just a collection of the worst debate team CVA has to offer?
Buhu, we're pirates. The lot of you have been crying about it for six pages now, and again my question remains unanswered: are you really that butthurt by it? Is there a sting in your backside for every ship we've killed and every time we've evaded your blob?
Because honestly that's all I'm seeing here. As you appear as uninformed as the rest of your moronic brethren, we didn't come here seeking your forgiveness nor do we want it. We came here with the intent to kill Minmatar. In the interim, in speaking with Grr and several others we decided the best course of action was a mutual avoidance.
Since you morons want to get trigger happy because you've got something to prove against us, so be it. I DARE you to get more involved.
You'll back down though, because you're the worst kind of Amarrian cowards.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 15:50:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Righteous Fury
Buhu, we're pirates. The lot of you have been crying about it for six pages now, and again my question remains unanswered: are you really that butthurt by it?
Are you really that butthurt by the loss of a command ship? Are you really that butthurt that our now-well-established-as-infrequent visits to the Bleaklands might result in an engagement between our organizations?
This discussion drags on covering no new material and getting further and further off topic...even after CVA has acknowledged the original announcement. We're crying for six pages? Negative. We've been saying the same thing for six pages: CVA and Slackers are in a state of hostilities, we acted on those hostilities, we accept responsibility for those actions (ie potential hostilities between all top performing corporations within the militia and CVA.)
What more is there to add, beyond your incensed ramblings? Can we put this baby to bed yet, or do you have more emotional mouth-frothings to get off your chest?
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Ratio Legis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:01:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Garreck
Are you really that butthurt that our now-well-established-as-infrequent visits to the Bleaklands might result in an engagement between our organizations?
Originally by: Ratio Legis
I urge [CVA] to follow through with their threats and send more patrols to the Bleak lands
Originally by: Righteous Fury
I DARE you to get more involved.
Reading comprehension anyone? But in case you are still confused - now read my lips - we are looking forward to it. Too bad you will not deliver, because in the same post
Originally by: Garreck
Can we put this baby to bed yet, or do you have more emotional mouth-frothings to get off your chest?
Originally by: Righteous Fury
You'll back down though, because you're the worst kind of Amarrian cowards.
So soon? Oh wait, is this not the kind of publicity you were striving to get, CVA?
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Greme
Amarr
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:03:00 -
[174]
The loss of the command ship does not bother us in the slightest, especially in monetary value, in fact you may still have control of enough brain cells to notice that it was no we who started this thread, but a militia fleet commander who was bothered by the disruption the incident caused to the militia. It is this (in addition to you overriding egos) that concerns us.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:05:00 -
[175]
We have made no threats, and Righteous Fury can "dare" us until he's blue in the face. It'll hold about as much sway with us as if I were to stand here and "dare" Slackers to invade Providence.
Ego is not an issue here. Acknowledging an announcement to the CVA was the only issue here. If you wish to assume CVA is backing down on anything by repeatedly reasserting our standings and our actions, that's your own lookout.
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:08:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Righteous Fury
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
yes, CONCORD may criminally flag me as it wishes if i kill pirates hiding behind the rules they superimpose.
get over it, you are KOS to us for criminal acts in our space and amarr low sec space.
CONCORD is a toothless band of degenerated infidels scared to enter low sec, amarr authorities don't really care.
WE do care.
WE reacted when you killed innocents in low sec and our space for money.
WE will not let you off the hook just cause you bring some dead fluffy bunnies from the ushes like a rabid dog eager to be spared his master's wrath.
show true dedication and repent your sins and we shall be as forgiving as God is.
just twisting words and trying to use some kill mails as general seal of amarr is a failout plan nothing more.
Your ability to talk in circles is astounding. Have I wandered into a feminist convention or is this just a collection of the worst debate team CVA has to offer?
Buhu, we're pirates. The lot of you have been crying about it for six pages now, and again my question remains unanswered: are you really that butthurt by it? Is there a sting in your backside for every ship we've killed and every time we've evaded your blob?
Because honestly that's all I'm seeing here. As you appear as uninformed as the rest of your moronic brethren, we didn't come here seeking your forgiveness nor do we want it. We came here with the intent to kill Minmatar. In the interim, in speaking with Grr and several others we decided the best course of action was a mutual avoidance.
Since you morons want to get trigger happy because you've got something to prove against us, so be it. I DARE you to get more involved.
You'll back down though, because you're the worst kind of Amarrian cowards.
obviously even repeating my one point over and over again or as you wish to call it talking in circles doesn't drive the one point home.
i have found it easier to make people of the short bus squad see points.
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:09:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Greme
It is this (in addition to you overriding egos) that concerns us.
And it is repeated reassertions that Slackers remain pirates to this very moment that concerns us.
The standings will remain until appropriate diplomatic actions are taken (which, again, you have assured us will not happen). I'm sure it will be of little consequence as it has been well established that CVA are far too afraid of Slackers to do anything about it.
Well, other than engage and destroy the vessel that kicked off this whole dramafest to begin with of course.
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:09:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Ratio Legis
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
Originally by: Ratio Legis
In other words, you state your determination to continue to disrupt militia operations on the grounds that at some time in the past CVA and SL became hostile to each other.
This, sir, makes CVA patriotic exactly how?
more patriotic than you for the only reason you had to join with the amarr milita was the comfortable proximity of recruitment offices.
we have fought in the name of the empire long before you had your piloting license.
and for the record: the only thing in discussion here is as you very correctly pointed out: CVA and SL became hostile to each other.
and as you seemingly don't want to change that, live with it.
Again you offer empty claims without a single fact to back them.
We have lived inside your KOS list for years, and we will for more to come, I'm sure. What we are doing here is exposing the hypocrisy of CVA's claims of involvement with the cause of Amarr, while you actually place your private interests above those of Amarr.
Your hard line and unwillingness to acknowledge the common sense of a limited ceasefire between militia corps and CVA for the area of the Bleak lands is possible because you face no repercussions for it. If SL tomorrow become part of an entity not as powerless as an irregular army, but a real alliance (like, for example, Goonswarm or TCF), would you continue shooting us, automatically entering a state of war with that alliance? I do not believe that even your hypocrisy goes far enough to affirm that, because a claim like that is very easily verifiable if one takes the time to look at CVA's inter-alliance politics in the past, where many corps have changed allegiance, including ones that were KOS to you.
So, you act with greater disregard toward the interests of the war Amarr is leading than you would for a random private alliance, and still have the face to pose as an Amarr patriot?
You fail to produce facts about your supposed support for the Amarr state, and you still call us traitors, despite the fact our effective action on behalf of the state is out there for everyone to see?
No one is debating your power to choose who you shoot and where - that's a fact of life. Another such fact is that SL is now an integral part of the Amarr militia - no matter if you like it or not - and shooting us WILL disrupt the war effort. How you choose to combine those two facts is up to you. You act like there is nothing you can do about it, while in reality you have a choice on the matter - only the way you have chosen is not very appropriate for showing in public. Instead of taking a step back and looking for a way to act for the common benefit, you choose to screw everyone over your private interest.
This is what you've been trying hard - and failing - to conceal, and what I've been exposing all along.
goonswarm, tcf, -a- i bet they cringe to have to be found on the same KOS list as you are
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Ratio Legis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:19:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
goonswarm, tcf, -a- i bet they cringe to have to be found on the same KOS list as you are
You sidestep the point again. Your lack of affirmation that SL joining a random alliance is in itself a cause for automatic war with that alliance - as it seems to be the case with the Amarr militia - is answer in itself. No, it is not. Because the point is not whether -insert-alliance-here- are afraid to be KOS to you - it is whether YOU are ready to become KOS to them just because we joined them.
When presenting something in a way that won't make laughing stock out of you becomes impossible, it might be a good time to start pondering whether you are not, indeed, deserving to be laughed at. You are quickly getting to the point where your effort to present the black as white stops looking like rhetoric and becomes plain stupid.
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Hidetoshi Rushd
Caldari
7ulm Saif Niobe Industrial Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:20:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Shad0wsFury
That's just it. They hold sovereignty and look after their OWN interests first, and the Amarr Empire second.
Coming from a relative noob I wont hold this against you.
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Just because they control an inconsequential slice of 0.0 and hold sovereignty does NOT give them the right to dictate terms on what happens within Amarr sovereign space.
You could not be more wrong. Usually this kind of criticism comes from people who haven't had the gutts, patience and insight to do what CVA has done for and within Providence and some parts of the Lower Domain region. Putting in the dirt and the works , that's what makes you earn that right and as far as I can tell you should know your place, given your shorter than a Raven's tail record. CVA and allies have earned that right. The militia has only just begun earning that right. Big difference.
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Not only that, they claim to support the Empire, yet their own operations disrupt those of the Amarr Militia, a body who has been killing FAR more Mimitar and doing FAR more to advance the cause of the Amarr Empire than CVA can say they have of late. They claim support by third party, yet nobody, save possibly PIE, can speak of any support received from CVA.
The militia has only started doing it. CVA and allies have been doing it ever since most militia pilots were still pod fluid.
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Saying it and doing it. Still two separate things.
You're saying it. Others are doing it.
Originally by: Greme
So if I am correct, you are asking militia members to forgoe adding any slacker industries members to gangs, thereby removing our proven effectiveness from the fight against the minmatar scourge. Your logic is impeccable, I am sure you would not like the effect on the bleak lands occupancy after effectively removing us from the militia.
If you are pirating in what I have already referred to: 'space known as CVA space', you will be shot. The logic tha you maintain is the one that is really impeccable: on one side you are fighting Amarr enemies, on the other side you are promoting piracy on Amarr residents. The last thing we need are hypocrites.
We can go on forever explaining how the KOS works and what not; bottom line is that everyone knows how it works so reacting in full surprise to this is just stating discussion for the discussion.
Any pilot on the KOS list has done something to earn his position on that list and will pay the price for being on it. Fighting in the militia FOR the Amarr does not give you the right to promote or do piracy against residents OF the Amarr, who you claim to be fighting for in the first place. Stating this otherwise just makes you a hypocrite and more ridiculous than the opposite of this point of view already is.
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