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Alori Emiratek	Posted - 2008.10.03 21:55:00 - [1] Edited by: Alori Emiratek on 03/10/2008 22:05:30 MANU DEI RELIGIOUS ORDER PUBLIC STATEMENT Manudeist Order will be leaving Vigilia Valeria Alliance ranks as off tonight. Following the coronation cerimony and Magister Rodak's surprising speach. Further notice will be given as we see fit, or the need arises. coronation cerimony We leave you with a full version of the speach given tonight in Amarr solar system. FELLOW AMARRIAN BROTHERS: The words ôdesperate times call for desperate measuresö as come to be a common clichT these days. Too often they have been used as motto to justify bending from little rules to ancient traditions. Well, we say: ôdesperate times only meet desperate peopleö. How desperate a people living in faith and by GodÆs rules can be? It can not. How worth is faith or principles if we let them drop at the first sign of difficulty? And if we drop them, canÆt it possibly be seen as a lack of both? We stand here today, speaking the words of truth. If Yonis Ardishapur was to be seen and would I be allowed to look straight into his eyes, I would proudly do so. Cause the words I will speak tonight are those that many among us would wait to hear from him. I sorrow that many that we would expect to be here tonight had not come. And I sorrow even more the reason behind their absence. We must never forget those that for several years have been fighting our fight in Providence, claiming an entire region in the name of Amarr. We are the sole empire with claims in outer regions thanks to them. CVA you have our respects, for both the deeds from last years as well has holding true to your strong principles. Several words could be used to describe this coronation and the ways that lead us into it. Unexpected is the least we can all agree on. Unexplained is the point were no one in its right mind can disagree. We wont go further as the future should be kept intact. GodÆs ways can vary, and signs will be welcome. Yet some things should be clearly spoken, as the righteous who stand silent in front of obnoxious events are not worth of any respect. When facing two evils, a decision must be called. The commons choose the lesser one; the uncommon tries to justify the commons choice; those extraordinary fight both. We lack the last, and that has been our fault and our major sin. We wont say any further, as our points were clear even before we came here tonight. I should only add that we wont be inconsequent about our choice and that we wont drag others with our words. One is free to follow us as they wish. Time will tell. In order to be consequent and to preserve our brotherÆs record in units such as VFOR or the honourable First Praetorian Guard, Manu Dei Religious Order will be leaving Vigilia Valeria Alliance as of tonight. Despite our differences which should worth your respect, God and Amarr should be our only rulers and masters and our primary focus. May God bless you all, may God bless Amarr and our future leadership into something better than what we have achieved so far. Under One God, One Amarr and One Empire, Hail Amarr!!! _________________
Alori Emiratek	Posted - 2008.10.03 21:55:00 - [2] Edited by: Alori Emiratek on 03/10/2008 22:13:55 Edited by: Alori Emiratek on 03/10/2008 22:09:47 Edited by: Alori Emiratek on 03/10/2008 22:05:30 MANU DEI RELIGIOUS ORDER PUBLIC STATEMENT Manudeist Order will be leaving Vigilia Valeria Alliance ranks as off tonight. Following the coronation cerimony and Magister Rodak's surprising speach. Further notice will be given as we see fit, or the need arises.
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:06:00 - [3] Ponder on this surprising turn of events we shall. While an official CVA statement is yet to be issued on tonight's events I will personally thank you for your compliments and wish Manu Dei well in whatever they pursue. In our time together in Vigilia Valeria we have disagreed and many things but have always agreed on several key issues. For example, the need to maintain purity and our traditions because that is what makes us who we are.
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:06:00 - [4] Ponder on this surprising turn of events we shall. While an official CVA statement is yet to be issued on tonight's events I will personally thank you for your compliments and wish Manu Dei well in whatever they pursue. In our time together in Vigilia Valeria we have disagreed and many things but have always agreed on several key issues. For example, the need to maintain purity and our traditions because that is what makes us who we are.
Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.10.03 22:15:00 - [5] This was the speach given by myself. FELLOW AMARRIAN BROTHERS: The words ôdesperate times call for desperate measuresö as come to be a common clichT these days. Too often they have been used as motto to justify bending from little rules to ancient traditions. Well, we say: ôdesperate times only meet desperate peopleö. How desperate a people living in faith and by GodÆs rules can be? It can not. How worth is faith or principles if we let them drop at the first sign of difficulty? And if we drop them, canÆt it possibly be seen as a lack of both? We stand here today, speaking the words of truth. If Yonis Ardishapur was to be seen and would I be allowed to look straight into his eyes, I would proudly do so. Cause the words I will speak tonight are those that many among us would wait to hear from him. I sorrow that many that we would expect to be here tonight had not come. And I sorrow even more the reason behind their absence. We must never forget those that for several years have been fighting our fight in Providence, claiming an entire region in the name of Amarr. We are the sole empire with claims in outer regions thanks to them. CVA you have our respects, for both the deeds from last years as well has holding true to your strong principles. Several words could be used to describe this coronation and the ways that lead us into it. Unexpected is the least we can all agree on. Unexplained is the point were no one in its right mind can disagree. We wont go further as the future should be kept intact. GodÆs ways can vary, and signs will be welcome. Yet some things should be clearly spoken, as the righteous who stand silent in front of obnoxious events are not worth of any respect. When facing two evils, a decision must be called. The commons choose the lesser one; the uncommon tries to justify the commons choice; those extraordinary fight both. We lack the last, and that has been our fault and our major sin. We wont say any further, as our points were clear even before we came here tonight. I should only add that we wont be inconsequent about our choice and that we wont drag others with our words. One is free to follow us as they wish. Time will tell. In order to be consequent and to preserve our brotherÆs record in units such as VFOR or the honourable First Praetorian Guard, Manu Dei Religious Order will be leaving Vigilia Valeria Alliance as of tonight. Despite our differences which should worth your respect, God and Amarr should be our only rulers and masters and our primary focus. May God bless you all, may God bless Amarr and our future leadership into something better than what we have achieved so far. Under One God, One Amarr and One Empire, Hail Amarr!!!
Dantalus Portos Amarr Vigilia Valeria Expeditionary Forces	Posted - 2008.10.04 00:25:00 - [6] Your speach disappointed me. But I wish you well in your future endeavours.
Arderich Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen A.R.K.	Posted - 2008.10.04 01:06:00 - [7] It is good to see Amarr with a backbone still exist. Khan Rodak, you are extraordinary.
Gangleri Amarr Vigilia Valeria Expeditionary Forces	Posted - 2008.10.04 07:53:00 - [8] Edited by: Gangleri on 04/10/2008 07:54:05 My dear Khan Rodak, You have been a beacon for us and me personally is the last years but it can only be concluded that you have become misguided and a priest errand during your last long period of absence. You seek and see new strongholds of misguided beliefs that ain't there. Originally by: Grr I, Admiral Grr, CEO of Epitoth Fleetyards, swear fealty to the Empire and its legally anointed Empress, Jamyl I on behalf of myself and our corporation. As you can read the bodies you speak high of in regards of principles do swear fealty as much as the alliance you have left. I do hope you will see the true light again and when done so, know you are always welcome again in our mids. Meanwhile, as I have already mentioned, I will always come to your aid when needed. Marshal Gangleri Walker between Stars VFOR is recruiting
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.04 12:53:00 - [9] What's done is done. While I do not necessarily agree with the recent coronation process details and firmly believe we have sacrificed traditions and a part of ourselves to get here Jamyl Sarum is our new leader and as close to the voice of god as you will get. Regardless of my personal beliefs I will be supporting her 100%.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.10.04 13:04:00 - [10] I agree with Lady Grr. You took it wrong Lord Rodak, the hard thing is not to flee but to remain and stay with those that matter, even in the dark hours. I wish you well in your endeavours, you know you have a friend in us, but remember that the Empire comes only second to God. And sicne we know not the will of God, we have to follow the will of the Empire now that we have an Empress. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum

Darius Shakor Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.04 20:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Arderich It is good to see Amarr with a backbone still exist. Khan Rodak, you are extraordinary. You know, I feel dirty for agreeing with your sentiments, but I cannot escape it. An Amarrian with backbone indeed. Still an Amarrian though, but backbone is a start. ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment
Xenea	Posted - 2008.10.05 05:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Grr What's done is done. While I do not necessarily agree with the recent coronation process details and firmly believe we have sacrificed traditions and a part of ourselves to get here Jamyl Sarum is our new leader and as close to the voice of god as you will get. Regardless of my personal beliefs I will be supporting her 100%. No Emperor, not Sarum, nor her lackluster predecessor, or the equally impotent one before him, or any though the history of all of Amarria, has ever been the voice of Lord God. Great men most were; great woman Sarum may be; of the True Chosen they all were. None, however, have written the Scripture -- the very word of Lord God that guides every Faithful day in and day out. Who, just exactly who wrote those? Who was His voice for ten thousand years? Not men, not women, not mighty warlords, not pod pilots, and definately not Emperors. It was the Apostles. May Lord God watch over Sarum and may she be part of His Great Plan, but to hell with this new understanding of the Faith. Therein lies the difference between the True Faithful and those who just "firmly believe we have sacrificed traditions."
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.05 14:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Xenea Originally by: Grr What's done is done. While I do not necessarily agree with the recent coronation process details and firmly believe we have sacrificed traditions and a part of ourselves to get here Jamyl Sarum is our new leader and as close to the voice of god as you will get. Regardless of my personal beliefs I will be supporting her 100%. No Emperor, not Sarum, nor her lackluster predecessor, or the equally impotent one before him, or any though the history of all of Amarria, has ever been the voice of Lord God. Great men most were; great woman Sarum may be; of the True Chosen they all were. None, however, have written the Scripture -- the very word of Lord God that guides every Faithful day in and day out. Who, just exactly who wrote those? Who was His voice for ten thousand years? Not men, not women, not mighty warlords, not pod pilots, and definately not Emperors. It was the Apostles. May Lord God watch over Sarum and may she be part of His Great Plan, but to hell with this new understanding of the Faith. Therein lies the difference between the True Faithful and those who just "firmly believe we have sacrificed traditions." I know my history which is why I stated AS CLOSE TO the voice of god as you will get.
Xenea	Posted - 2008.10.06 23:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Grr I know my history which is why I stated AS CLOSE TO the voice of god as you will get. Well then, let's just do away with the Emperor and the Heirs, and jump headfirst into a Gallente-like orgy of democratic governance. Then, our democratically elected leader can be "as close to the voice of God as you will get." Sorry, but I don't buy into your liberal interpretation any more than I buy into the value of a democracy. Only the Apostles have the ability to speak for Lord God, as they have done for the last 10,000 years, and as they will do for the next 10,000 years. The Emperor is but a political figurehead, surely chosen by Lord God and divinely inspired, but definately not the closest thing to the voice of Lord God for me -- or anyone else who has a strict, conservative interpretation of the Faith. That does not mean I hold contempt for Sarum. Quite the opposite, but she is not divine.
Drakonus Laerdon Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.07 01:47:00 - [15] Originally by: Xenea The Emperor is but a political figurehead, surely chosen by Lord God and divinely inspired, but definately not the closest thing to the voice of Lord God for me -- or anyone else who has a strict, conservative interpretation of the Faith. And as such you prove your heresy. For it is the heretic who believes that his/her own personal interpretation is superior to the Faith as dictated by our clergy. God has entrusted His Empire with upholding the Faith, and would not allow it to be corrupted. The Faith, as it is now practiced, is the Will of God: if God decides to change it, it will change slowly and His Will will be reflected in the changes. If everyone were simply to follow their own interpretations of the Faith, then we have no Faith at all, it being totally subjective. --------------- Non Nobis, Domine, Non Nobis, Sed nomini tuo da gloriam.
Xenea	Posted - 2008.10.07 03:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Drakonus Laerdon Originally by: Xenea The Emperor is but a political figurehead, surely chosen by Lord God and divinely inspired, but definately not the closest thing to the voice of Lord God for me -- or anyone else who has a strict, conservative interpretation of the Faith. And as such you prove your heresy. For it is the heretic who believes that his/her own personal interpretation is superior to the Faith as dictated by our clergy. God has entrusted His Empire with upholding the Faith, and would not allow it to be corrupted. The Faith, as it is now practiced, is the Will of God: if God decides to change it, it will change slowly and His Will will be reflected in the changes. If everyone were simply to follow their own interpretations of the Faith, then we have no Faith at all, it being totally subjective. Being called a heretic by a fraud has little meaning to me. These are not my personal opinions, but the pillars of our religion for the last 10,000 years. Fact remains, your twisted brand of theology began a mere 850 years ago. It was your clergy who abandoned the Faith, it was by your clergy who murdered the prophets to advance a horrific change in the Faith, and it was your clergy who abandoned your very own revisions just 10 short days ago. No, it is not Xenea who is being subjective here. My views are constant and true to the past. Yours?
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:05:00 - [17] Edited by: Sepherim on 07/10/2008 11:05:51 Miss Xenea, you are like a stone in the river, drowned in the bottom. You fail to see that God knew all this would happen, for He knows it all. As such, He wrote the Scriptures in such a way that, with time, they would be modified by the Moral Reforms. He knew such a time would come, and knew that such would be good. Or are you so full of yourself that you dare say God knows not all? Or that something can go against God's will? Is He powerless to prevent something from going against His wishes? Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Drakonus Laerdon Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.07 21:00:00 - [18] Originally by: Sepherim Edited by: Sepherim on 07/10/2008 11:05:51 Miss Xenea, you are like a stone in the river, drowned in the bottom. You fail to see that God knew all this would happen, for He knows it all. As such, He wrote the Scriptures in such a way that, with time, they would be modified by the Moral Reforms. He knew such a time would come, and knew that such would be good. Or are you so full of yourself that you dare say God knows not all? Or that something can go against God's will? Is He powerless to prevent something from going against His wishes? Well spoken, Keter. Miss Xenea, the Moral Reforms are God's Will. To declare otherwise is heresy. Even your "King", to whom you have declared fealty, acknowledged this. God's Will is revealed to us in centuries, and He works His will through the clergy and Theology Council. God guides us all, and takes an active part in our society. Nothing is forever set in stone, but changes do occur, over many lifetimes as God reveals to us His Vision. And yes, once again I call you Heretic. For through your hubris, you alone believe that your interpretation of God's Will is above those whom God has entrusted His most Holy Empire. Perhaps you should meditate on my words, instead of angrily dismissing them. But I doubt you will. Such is the hubris of heretics. --------------- Non Nobis, Domine, Non Nobis, Sed nomini tuo da gloriam.
Xenea	Posted - 2008.10.07 23:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Drakonus Laerdon Miss Xenea, the Moral Reforms are God's Will. To declare otherwise is heresy. The Moral Reforms are only "God's Will" because the Council initiated and emerged victorious from a sectarian civil war, exterminated most of the Apostles ordained by Lord God, and revisited your history books. This is the Will of God? So if the Council orders the assassination of Lady Sarum tomorrow, that is the Will of God? For an Amarr, you have little use for tradition. I know in my heart I am true to Lord God. I know who are the heretics, as do you. Originally by: Drakonus Laerdon For through your hubris, you alone believe that your interpretation of God's Will is above those whom God has entrusted His most Holy Empire. You are very mistaken and it will be your downfall. There are more Councilites than Apostlites -- this is true, however, I am far from alone. We are many. We reside in Domain. We gather in the Kingdom. We live in Providence. We fight for the militia. We plot from within PIE. When the Master calls, we step into the Light. The Hand of God acts swiftly when neccessary.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.10.08 02:51:00 - [20] The "Moral Reforms" will burn in hell when the true faith shines through. It only takes one hand with a knife to break the corrupt.

Khan Rodak Amarr Manu Dei	Posted - 2008.10.09 11:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Sepherim I agree with Lady Grr. You took it wrong Lord Rodak, the hard thing is not to flee but to remain and stay with those that matter, even in the dark hours. I wish you well in your endeavours, you know you have a friend in us, but remember that the Empire comes only second to God. And sicne we know not the will of God, we have to follow the will of the Empire now that we have an Empress. You took it wrong Keter, sorry to say. If you agree with the Admiral "Grr", you agree with my words. And we didnt leave. We remain and we prevail. Our devotion needs no show. We have been working for God and Amarr ever since. Even while Doriam's liberal-gallentean inspired nightmare were put upon us all. What would make you think we wouldnt now in Sarum's time? You got it wrong Keter!!! Also in ancient times disagreements were left aside to gather for a war. Quote: During the slave uprising of 23216, the Tetrimon reappeared in the Amarr Empire in force, and an agreement was reached with Heideran VII, whereby the Order were allowed free passage through the Empire in return for assistance against Minmatar forces. Ships flying Tetrimon colours became much feared by the young Republic Fleet during this time for their fearless attacks and the suicidal fury shown by their pilots. We stand and answer the call now, as before, and as ever. Now, that does not mean we should play the monkey. Our beliefs are to be spoken. Our traditions must be defended. If not for anything else, at least to vent many people's fellings across the empire. The timing was carefully chosen: the coronation. While we still havent had an Empress. Now its time to get back to work. Plenty out there to achieve in God's name. HAIL AMARR!!! New Seminarium open
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.10.11 04:27:00 - [22] It is good to know I was wrong then. My apologies. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum

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