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Joachim LeHigh
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Posted - 2008.10.01 20:00:00 -
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Corps like Suddenly Ninjas aren't ninja salvaging for the pleasure of gaining salvage, in fact one suddenly ninja admitted that he drops his stolen salvage on the sun. This is proof that it is merely becoming a new form of griefing, not piracy. Wrecks should have a timer on them, say 60 minutes (half of the longevity of the wreck) in which salvaging/looting will cause an aggression timer with the thief. Beyond that timer, a thief can loot and salvage without repercussions. Simple fix, CCP, implement it.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.10.01 20:08:00 -
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It's not new and it's not grieving.
You are causing the grief yourself by not accepting this and of course there will be people that gain sustenance from your tears and will try to get them when you dispense them so freely.
In fact, if salvaging causes aggro, you'd get the real grievers in, stealing your stuff just to make you aggro so they can pop your precious mission ship.
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Xavier Zedicus
Zardoz Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.01 20:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Corps like Suddenly Ninjas aren't ninja salvaging for the pleasure of gaining salvage, in fact one suddenly ninja admitted that he drops his stolen salvage on the sun. This is proof that it is merely becoming a new form of griefing, not piracy. Wrecks should have a timer on them, say 60 minutes (half of the longevity of the wreck) in which salvaging/looting will cause an aggression timer with the thief. Beyond that timer, a thief can loot and salvage without repercussions. Simple fix, CCP, implement it.
hes just messing with you. if he just dropped his stuff at the sun than you could start a new profession of garbage collecting and collect what he drops there.
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Joachim LeHigh
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Posted - 2008.10.01 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Zedicus
hes just messing with you. if he just dropped his stuff at the sun than you could start a new profession of garbage collecting and collect what he drops there.
Untrue, I've checked on the sun a few times whikle he was in system with my covops and found a nice cache of salvage...so my point stands.
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Joachim LeHigh
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Posted - 2008.10.01 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
In fact, if salvaging causes aggro, you'd get the real grievers in, stealing your stuff just to make you aggro so they can pop your precious mission ship.
If people want to do that they can loot the wreck anyway, pop an aggresion timer, get shot, then blow up the mission ship. Making aggro on salvage won't change that at all.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.10.01 20:26:00 -
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Salvage is not yours. If you're in a place where you're consistently getting ninja-salvaged, you're missioning in the wrong place and/or wrong time. No matter what you do, someone somewhere will use a valid mechanism (theft etc.) to irritate people, because it's what jerks do. You can either sanitise the entire game (go the GuildWars route, it worked very well) or accept that some will push the envelope and you can either ignore, move from, or wardec them (I'd prefer this approach for a sandbox like EVE).
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My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Environmental Effects
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maphell
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Posted - 2008.10.01 21:40:00 -
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Or u could use a dominix and salvage as u go then they cant touch your precious salvage:)
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.01 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 01/10/2008 23:16:38
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Corps like Suddenly Ninjas aren't ninja salvaging for the pleasure of gaining salvage, in fact one suddenly ninja admitted that he drops his stolen salvage on the sun. This is proof that it is merely becoming a new form of griefing, not piracy. Wrecks should have a timer on them, say 60 minutes (half of the longevity of the wreck) in which salvaging/looting will cause an aggression timer with the thief. Beyond that timer, a thief can loot and salvage without repercussions. Simple fix, CCP, implement it.
Only if you promise not to whine when he comes back in a PVP ship and ganks you after you shoot him 
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Or u could use a dominix and salvage as u go then they cant touch your precious salvage:)
Doesn't work. Many have tried
Salvage is not yours until it enters your cargohold. Move to lowsec and you can shoot ninjasalvagers at will.
Originally by: Catharacta
My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.10.01 23:55:00 -
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I used to be like the OP until I adapted:
Get a second alt and salvage while you kill. By the admition of several ninja theifs if there is a gate they scan ahead first to see if there are a decent number of wrecks to pillage. If the wreck number is low they may still come in but are less likely to get anything.
Ever sence I started to salvage as I killed all the ninja looters that came in ussually warped away or only got 1 wreck. The most extreme thing I ever had to do was blow up my own wrecks and wait until the looter left before I progressed to the next room.
Ninja looting is a very easy "grief" to avoid 95% of the time if you take steps to simply not make it worth while to them.
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To borrow a phrase:
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Dotard
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.02 01:03:00 -
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Such blanket statements by the OP.
I, for one, am the ninja you describe. I loot your wrecks hoping you will shoot me so I can get my gank ship out. I gather your loot and jettison it far from you, then warp off and return in the gank ship and wait for you to try to take your lootz back.
If you just sit there I'll blow it all up. Just for my pleasure.
Bring on the aggro for salvaging I say. Nothing will change for me.
But don't say "Corps like Suddenly Ninjas..." 'cause all of them ain't like me. Some are quite polite and ask Mission Runners if they can salvage and move on if told "No please don't." Some offer to divide up the salvages and loots with the runner.
Some Suddenly Ninjas members are like that. I am not one of them. I'm there in your mission to **** you off.
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JordanParey
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.02 01:57:00 -
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I don't do what Dotard does. I usually take all the loot and reprocess it so I can sell it that way ( if it isn't named.)
I'm not going to stop doing this simply because you think it's 'griefing'. I'll just keep doing it until I have to move or until you leave or start popping your wrecks.
At least you can't call me dishonest.
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Xavier Zedicus
Zardoz Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.02 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: Xavier Zedicus on 02/10/2008 02:53:17
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Originally by: Xavier Zedicus
hes just messing with you. if he just dropped his stuff at the sun than you could start a new profession of garbage collecting and collect what he drops there.
Untrue, I've checked on the sun a few times whikle he was in system with my covops and found a nice cache of salvage...so my point stands.
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Sang Jin
Gallente
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.02 06:02:00 -
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Unlike Dotard, im happy to keep the salvage and turn it in to bits for my ships, or magically turn it in to ISK. If you shoot at me then great, I get to come back in something bigger and kick your ass. |
H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.10.02 07:39:00 -
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Another 'salvaging is griefing' thread
Before starting the honorable part  of my life in New Eden I was running missions in Dodixie for months.
Only a single time I had a ninja salvager in my mission who took also the loot from one of the battleship wrecks. I don't know why you have visitors so often - but maybe it's something about your attitude. If you cared less about the few ISK and didn't whine on the forum maybe you would become a less worthwhile target 
Nah - forget that, actually your whining is somehow entertaining for me as well
P.S.: Whoever salvages first can do anything with the salvage as it belongs to HIM!
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Katana Seiko
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.02 11:03:00 -
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If you really want someone to wardec you, scan out that corp's ships in a mission, and kill that guy's goal... It's pretty hard to finish a mission if you need to return 10 marines that were dropped by a ship an other person just shot. If he's in a blockade, shoot his triggers and warp out...
Ninja Salvaging is nothing compared to the grief this one produces... Tactics like this will make you famous as the most hated person in EVE ever. (You must fear that anyone might find out where you live in real life...) |
RedSplat
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Posted - 2008.10.02 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Corps like Suddenly Ninjas aren't ninja salvaging for the pleasure of gaining salvage
Then wardec them, dont just whine on the forums that it isnt fair that they are taking your salvage; Dont leave it lying around, doesnt mother make you tidy your room? Gameplay my emotional fellow, welcome to the sandbox and try not to get any in your eyes.
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Nierrena
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Posted - 2008.10.02 14:43:00 -
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They only do it because they want an easy target for PvP, they are too scared to go play against proper Pvp'ers because they will get there ar*e handed to them.
They go on about carebears but if there was on carebears for them to pick on they would never leave the station because someone would be picking on them.... does this actually mean that these sort of player are SCAREDBEARS ?
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Geaux Tiger
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.02 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nierrena
They only do it because they want an easy target for PvP, they are too scared to go play against proper Pvp'ers because they will get there ar*e handed to them.
They go on about carebears but if there was on carebears for them to pick on they would never leave the station because someone would be picking on them.... does this actually mean that these sort of player are SCAREDBEARS ?
Nierrena you really don't know us do you. We have been constantly war-decced since the first week of our inception. Usually we have anywhere from 3-7 going on at once. Out of all of those, there is only one war-dec, that I am aware of, which we continued on our terms. The rest were brought against us first. At no time has this affected our ability or drive to salvage missions and collect on tears.  We have won battles and lost battles, but never have we stopped following our chosen profession.
Please, continue with the discussion. My sexa rifta needs more fuel.
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Velocity Prime
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.02 16:20:00 -
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Your salvage?! YOUR SALVAGE?! It's my salvage!
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RedSplat
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Posted - 2008.10.02 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nierrena
They only do it because they want an easy target for PvP, they are too scared to go play against proper Pvp'ers
SCAREDBEARS ?
So the fact SN is notoriously under constant wardecs means they are frightened of real pvp?
Maybe you thinking those doing the ward decs cant pvp...but hang on, SN are mostly salvage orientated, not core pvp.
If they were Scarebears wouldnt they cease such an occupation that earns them constant threats to livelihood and health?
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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.10.02 16:33:00 -
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I was running lvl4 combat missions for last two weeks. Never saw even a "ninja salavager" . You probably doing it wrong way.
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Sang Jin
Gallente
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.03 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
I was running lvl4 combat missions for last two weeks. Never saw even a "ninja salavager" . You probably doing it wrong way.
Sorry to hear that. If you evemail me your logon times and preferred missioning systems I can get that fixed up right away. |
Yamato Gasaraki
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.03 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
*whine snipped*
Wrecks should have a timer on them, say half of the longevity of the wreck in which salvaging/looting will cause an aggression timer with the thief. Beyond that timer, a thief can loot and salvage without repercussions.
suggestion /signed
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.03 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
I was running lvl4 combat missions for last two weeks. Never saw even a "ninja salavager" . You probably doing it wrong way.
From my experience they tend to hang around in certain systems, for example, I get ninja salvagers on almost every mission I do in Dodixie, but I've never gotten any in Auvergne which is one jump away from Dodixie.
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Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2008.10.03 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Boo hoo.
Look up the definition of salvage, and while you're at it search for all the other threads relating to this. The issue has been discussed extensively.
It's not griefing it's salvaging.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven
this thread is obviously going places
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JordanParey
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.03 01:21:00 -
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Please, pardon me if I clean space and reduce the lag. I didn't know it was wrong. =S
In all honesty, I would pick on this guy as much as possible for making this whinethread.
What system was this in? =D
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Cadaemon
Return To Sender
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey
In all honesty, I would pick on this guy as much as possible for making this whinethread.
What system was this in? =D
Quick! To the locator agents!
That's if this guy posted with his main for this whine... unlikely 
<3 Suddenly Ninjas
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.03 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Corps like Suddenly Ninjas aren't ninja salvaging for the pleasure of gaining salvage, in fact one suddenly ninja admitted that he drops his stolen salvage on the sun. This is proof that it is merely becoming a new form of griefing, not piracy. Wrecks should have a timer on them, say 60 minutes (half of the longevity of the wreck) in which salvaging/looting will cause an aggression timer with the thief. Beyond that timer, a thief can loot and salvage without repercussions. Simple fix, CCP, implement it.
a.) It's not griefing.
b.) In order for a fix to be needed, there must first be a problem.
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.03 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Leech
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Boo hoo.
Look up the definition of salvage, and while you're at it search for all the other threads relating to this. The issue has been discussed extensively.
It's not griefing it's salvaging.
don't bring real life into the debate. According to salvaging laws, the entire wreck AND its contents belong to whoever finds them first. That obviously doesn't apply to EVE.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.10.03 10:39:00 -
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In Soviet EVE you don't own the wrecks, the wrecks own you.
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